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Finished: 09 AM Mon 28 Jan 13 UTC
Private Spring 2013 #1
18 hours /phase
Pot: 105 D - Autumn, 1912, Finished
Classic, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Patroclus (111 D)
20 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1908: I think you are making the mistake of carrying trust and untrust from one game to the next.
20 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1908: Indeed. But to be fair, I did lie to him and stab him like 3 times this game I think. I did kinda feel bad the last time.
20 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1908: Am I? Casey told me one thing in this game, then lied to me and stabbed me. All in this game. How is that carrying anything from a previous game?
20 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1908: I still wonder why Turkey would trust AH to stay out of Greece. There is a classic mistake everyone makes when they play Turkey the first time. They arrange a bump in the Black Sea with Russia to make everyone think they are at war. Experienced players never buy this bounce. They know it is a red herring.

Turkey also trusts AH not to take Greece. The incentives for AH to take Greece are huge. AH takes Serbia fast. In addition to gaining another supply center, taking Greece from Serbia allows AH to do two things. 1.) Take Bulgaria. 2.) Work with Italy on a Lepanto. Both have the same goal: bottle up Turkey in their corner thus neutralizing Turkey for the rest of the game. Once Turkey is bottled up, they CANNOT WIN THE GAME!! At most, Turkey can play for survival, or hope that someone will stab AH.

What happens if Turkey takes Greece? They can turn the corner on either AH or Italy. Turkey goes on the offensive rather than fighting for survival.
20 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1908: Dennis is just lashing out because he got killed off and made a ton of mistakes. Don't take them personally. You're right; Turkey should take Bulgaria and then try for Greece immediately.
20 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1908: Casey has stabbed his allies in every single game I've seen him play. All of them in this game. Whiles its a small sample size, if you dont take that into account, then you are not bayesian updating, and are considered irrational.
20 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1908: Yes, guys, we ALL stab in every single game. I stabbed G Jason. Casey stabbed Dennis. I stabbed Paul Todd. Dennis stabbed me two games ago. Dyrland stabbed EVERYONE a while ago. Play the country, not the player.
20 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1908: Are we ever going to get to the point where we stop playing for each other? My mistake was trusting Casey. It's incredibly easy for Turkey to get crushed out if AH stabs in 1901, which he did. That was my only mistake. I am not lashing out, I would just like other people to stop assuming they know better than others how this game works, and stop assuming they know the context of other peoples' decisions. The game is called diplomacy for a reason.
20 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1908: That having been said, people get into bed with Casey at their own peril. Casey acts in his own best interests, so as long as you make yourself align with those interests while achieving your own, you're fine.
20 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1908: Agreed. Italy, click ready and let's get this over with
20 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1908: Actually, that's not true, Pat Scott. Had I stabbed Germany/Italy earlier, I'd be in much better position. But I wanted to bring my friends along with; worked until it didn't.
20 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1908: I am not lashing out. I have no reason to lash out. I am just offering tips on how to play Turkey.
20 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1908: Casey actually did work with me for a lot longer than he should have. It was not until well after the stalemate line was set before he finally backstabbed me.
21 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1908: So, how can I be your friend, Casey?
21 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1908: A mystery that even Sherlock Holmes would find tough to solve.
21 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1908: Pat, I've tried to be your friend every game. I get no love from you. Same with you Dennis, save this game. Figured I'd forgo the pleasantries and get to the fighting with you this time; we were like 0-6 working together going into this game.
21 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1908: and I'm supposed to be the one carrying things from game to game? ^_^
21 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1908: No, you all are. You're just the one calling names this game, Paul Todd and Casey got it from me earlier about Dyrland being Captain Stabby or something like that.
21 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1909: "calling names" oh okay....
21 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1909: You called Casey Stabalot and Jason Dupealot.
21 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1909: Still not sure how I am a big dupe. If working with AH to wipe two players (Russia and Turkey) off the board placing Italy in a chance for a draw counts as being a dupe, the yeap, I am definitely a dupe. If not helping out Turkey (with no promise, or ability, from Turkey to help out Italy) after Turkey makes several big mistakes is a dupe, then yeap, I am guilty of being a dupe there too.
21 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1909: Aren't you driving right now? Or did I misread Cindy's fb post...
21 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1909: If you are driving, maybe diplo's not a priority... :D
21 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1909: Leaving bright and early in the am tomorrow.
21 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1909: We drove from Port St. Lucie to Merritt Island and back toady. Right now, I am in the hammock reading the "Old Man and the Sea."

"At least the kind of strength that I need. Now I have done what I can, he thought. Let him begin to circle and let the fight come." -Ernest Hemingway "The Old Man and the Sea"

I will have to skip out on the next game. I have a couple of big projects due over the next two weeks.
21 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1909: Lets do this
21 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1909: I propose that we spend like an hour tomorrow finishing this game. like five minutes a round. I too have things I need to get done, and I think this game could be quickly resolved between the four of us.
21 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1909: Sir Stabsalot, because AH stabbed me three times, and Signor Dupe, because AH had Italy do all of the dirty work in carving me up before stabbing Italy. Still not sure what that brings from the last game(s). ^_^
21 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1909: I'm pretty sure I was referring to Dyrland's stabbing to sow distrust among his allies, not because I actually think he stabs too much... the use of nicknames can be strategic.

I might also start referring to Casey as Mighty Casey, because just like in Casey at the Bat, he's striking out pretty hard this game. No joy in Mudville.
21 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1909: I have a better idea.
21 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1909: I'd like to point out that that was sooo long ago.
21 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1909: Thus, anyone who believes it is living in the past.
22 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1909: First, AH worked with me to take over Turkey. Not sure how I did "AH's dirty work," given that Italy has sole control over Turkey right now. Second, AH did not stab Italy until after a stalemate line was set. Third, you might notice that Italy stabbed AH on the exact same turn that AH stabbed Italy.
22 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1909: Tomorrow is pretty crazy day for me. Doctor's appointment at 8:30. Class from 11:45am to 5:00pm. Teaching the Methods II lab from 5:00pm to 6:00pm. Trivia at Corner pocket from 7:30 to 9:30pm. I could spend an hour from 11pm to Midnight. Alternatively, I am up for spending an hour on Wednesday after class finishing up this game.
22 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1909: I concur.
24 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: Does France turn on England or does England claim a solo victory in 4 supply centers?
24 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: Or Kill Casey for the most points!

Suck it, Germany/Trebek!
24 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: I see a solo English victory. France let England get too powerful.
24 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: What I find hilarious is that Casey owns 7 territories STILL and has seven supply centers out of those seven territories. Give him mad props for efficiency in this defense.
24 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: until 1911, anyway.
25 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1911: Dead Russians = Happier World
25 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1911: And now BMW stands for British Motor Works.
25 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1911: Know what is better than a half-dead Russian? A whole-dead Russian!!
25 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1911: Italy would like to register a change of address with the international post office. From now on, please forward all Italian mail to the country formerly known as Turkey. Like the term turducken, I shall call the new country Iturkmenia.
25 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1911: England forces himself into Serbia for the solo win!
25 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1911: "Oh, no, not I, I will survive Oh, as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give And I'll survive, I will survive, hey, hey!" -Gloria Gaynor
25 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1911: British Motor Works. Does that mean the Mini Cooper is a British car again?
26 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1912: Goal 1) Germany does not win. Goal 2) Austria does not win.

Mission Mother-fucking Accomplished.
26 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1912: Let us honor the brave, mad Russians, who sacrificed to save us all.
26 Jan 13 UTC Not brave. Just mad. MAD.

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England
Patroclus (111 D)
Won. Bet: 15 D, won: 56 D
18 supply-centers, 16 units
France
SwimFanUSA (106 D)
Survived. Bet: 15 D, won: 41 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
Italy
alsokevin (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 15 D, won: 10 D
3 supply-centers, 2 units
Germany
Todd the Red (282 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Turkey
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Austria
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Russia
HankMorgan (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
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