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Finished: 10 PM Tue 18 Dec 12 UTC
C.S.S. Diplomacy Club
1 day /phase
Pot: 95 D - Autumn, 1905, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
04 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1901: gl everyone. ita and rus get your orders in otherwise this game wont be playable!
04 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: This game is hardly playable. Its only legit because Austria and I can go at it.
We'll have to see what happens I guess : S
04 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: Or we could. Just make an alliance turkey and dominate everybody, lol. But I agree. Let's give them one more turn to show up and see what happens.
04 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: Correspondence sent.
04 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: austria no, if russia and italy miss its not fair to france england and me and even turkey for that matter. both of them missing benefits you more than anyone else.....
04 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: Relax, I was kidding .
04 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: If I wanted to do that I wouldn't share it with everyone, haha.
06 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1902: next turn move to ukraine, and I'll go to galicia, I can help you take warsaw after that
06 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1902: Because Italy and Russia are no longer here are we going to continue to play the game or are we going to call a draw, because it really doesn't matter to me. I get plenty of benefits from them not showing up, but I would prefer not to win that way if at all possible. I've put down a draw, but if no one else wants it I'll continue playing.
06 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1902: Russia was here for a short time but I'm not sure what happened. Who know if he'll be back.
06 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1902: Hi guys
First game...
What has happened so far?
07 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1902: umm you're completely screwed and there is a not point zero percent that you are getting out alive. Talk to France actually, I hear he's an ass and since you speak donkey you might get.
07 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1902: How am I an ass?
07 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1902: No offense dude, but yer an ass.
07 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1902: Ahaha how?
08 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1902: Is this a Chippewa Secondary School Diplomacy Game?
09 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: guys i know im doing pretty well in this game but I still get an awkward feeling that maybe we should stop it. I don't like the fact that turkey gets free reign on russia since hes not playing and the only country that can really do anything about it is austria. its just too unbalanced. russia plays too important a role in the thought process of many players.
09 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: Well you are wrong if you think that by playing this game without Russia I am going to steamroll the board any more than you have been doing with an inept England (and not to mention Russia as well! ? :S). I am not saying we ought to keep playing because I enjoy this slight advantage, no, what I propose is you at least bring up an argument in favour of your point that does not require my actions as an example for 'broken play". If you can say about France and the situation in Italy the same as you did about me, Russia and Austria, as well as about yourself and the situations you are involved with in England and Russia, then you may be correct in the game being invalid. As is, your argument is no better than my argument of the same type used against you using the examples of how badly England is doing and how cleanly you could steamroll her and the soon to be exposed territories of Austria, France, and perhaps the little bits of Russia that remain. We (germany and I) have the same number of supply centres (and if he plays properly) will have the same opportunity as I in obtaining more. On a side note, brother, get over yourself, it is a game of Dip online that plays at the rate of a move a day, what are you complaining about (#FWP ?!?!). You must be Canadian.
09 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: Also, this is an interesting point. Given the theory of this game, wouldn't it be wiser for me to go after Austria right away as the Robot Russia at this point is an insignificance for proper expo into the Med?
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: 1)lol no I'm not canadian.
2) Yes, russias absence has made my game easier as I would not be able to put this much pressure on france with russia in the game but i'll let you know italy agreed to help me with france before the game started which he obviously didnt do, so that balances out at least a little bit. also I'm attacking france, a player who is playing while you have spent most of your effort going after JUST russias centers.

You may not think there is a difference and you may think I'm acting like I'm on a pedestal but I'm not. As far as you are concerned don't stereotype someone as being from a certain location based on an online game....even as a joke. I don't want to be rude but that was going over the line.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: Bahaha, oh my gosh, like your collective understanding of this entire conversation summarized itself with "don't stereotype" (which is an improper usage of the term). 1) I am Canadian you dopehead, a very sarcastic remark FO a very bold person (you). 2) I've made ONE gain in Russia, and I tell you now that it does amount to the Swedish Fleet you have gained also you hypocrite. 3)....going over the line? You're a joke, this argument is a joke, this game is a joke, I'm the better player and that's why I am in the position I am, even if I have been surrounded by ineptitude. It's called maximizing on the faults of others, and it is crucial to a proper understanding of game theory. Oh, and also, even to make it so you didn't have to sound stupid by opening your mouth, I SAID, I MADE IT KNOWN, that I was to focus on Austria for the sake of a balanced game, and also due to the fact that it wouldn't make sense for me to steamroll a dead Russia. You are junk.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: Wow, your argument has nothing to it. This game is broken and the winner will manage to take this bologna to the end. You are hoping for some political finish to a cheesy game, and you won't have my vote for it. This game is actually quite normal indeed. Man, I really hope you write a reply for this that seeks to win some argument, anyways, here's to that, you Canadian, hope to win Berlin before the game ends.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: Wait wait wait, baha. "...as I would not be able to put this much pressure on france with russia in the game but i'll let you know italy agreed to help me with france before the game started which he obviously didnt do, so that balances out at least a little bit"...That is your statement in regards to the fairness of your massive assault on France, which continues "also I'm attacking france, a player who is playing while you have spent most of your effort going after JUST russias centers"....??!?!?! Who's surprised now with the board as it is? Your statements are Ad Hoc, they are baseless. Your argument that says "because I am focused on a real player, and because I was going to do it all along, my actions are justified..." , then you go to say (summarized of course) "...and because you have a dead nation at your feet, and you've taken two pieces from them, you are breaking the game because no one can stop you and your not facing a real opponent"... ALL BAD ARGUMENTS, the board speaks for itself.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: And I made a mistake, I took TWO of Russia probable acquisitions.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: And also, LOOK at that move set against AUSTRIA (no offense Austria), but given how good that move set is I really don't need to concern myself with your accusations over me being overly concerned with taking Russian Supply, just see what I did and shut up already. Ironic that I should say that.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: OMG, its a GAME guys! I'm the one losing here, so why am I the only one who isn't complaining here? Turkey, whats with the insults man? And stop acting all high and mighty, just because you're winning this game doesn't mean that in another game you would be doing just as well. This game is about diplomacy, you got the better of me and stabbed me, good for you, In all honest it was quite a bit unfair for you, but hey, you win some you lose some. Germany, You are doing just as good as Turkey, and I even offered you some of my supply centers so that you could beat him. You decided not to take them and keep pushing into France, that's on you. The point is, this whole lopsided game doesn't deserve this huge argument, and we especially don't want to hear it so if you want to argue do it in private chat.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: 1) I'm sick of the same damn arguments that state "he who is in the lead and who will likely win must be antagonized", 2) Those are really mild insults as compared to the adult world of "you are simply not good enough, please step aside". 3) Ya ok I'm sorry for doing that to you but HONESTLY I didn't feel any better steamrolling a dead nation when I needed to worry about you in the long run, and I really, really really saw this stupid argument coming unless I did something against you soon. 4) I am not trying to act like I am up high in this matter, no, but I will attest to the fact that I am hammering DOWN on this subject, so yes, it may seem like I am up above for such to occur. 5) I agree, I was lucky to have had such an easy open, and I also agree that it could of happened in any other way that we don't know of...but I tell you now my strategy for winning, if given similar circumstances, would not change, as most players would see fit to capitalize on weaknesses where they exist (i/e: dead Russia).
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: I am not upset that you betrayed me Turkey, it's part of the game and anyone who gets upset by a stab doesn't need to be playing it. And I am not trying to start an argument rather than prevent one. My point is that it's a game and that arguing about it is pointless. And what upsets me is that just because you are winning one game you are declaring yourself a better player, when if we played this game again, with all the players there would likely be a very different outcome.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: It's a game turkey I'm not sure why you are making baseless insults. Just because your doing better then others in a Diplomacy game doesn't mean your a better person. Get a life. It's a clear advantage for you and possibly Germany. You have no pressure from the north and germany has no pressure from the East. Stop being an ass, shut up, and play the game. And please feel free to reply and call me names, like a child (don't bother pointing out i called you names i can read).
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: Hey I'm only talking to Germany, and it's comparably true (only in the context between Germany and I) because I'm playing it out. He opted to accuse me of, something, and I wasn't having any of it. I agree, arguing is baseless and pointless. But as insults go, get over them, they do not hurt your feelings and if they do get off they internet, they are not sincere, I am wasting my time in saying them (whichever ones I directed at you???) so don't waste your time remedying this absurdity.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: *the internet
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: First, I think, being the charitable philosopher that I am, that I even stated that this game has been a lucky one for me, so I can tell none of you are doing your homework in referencing material that I spoke. Secondly, because of this, neither you (France) or Austria has considered what I said when I said that I had it easy. From this I can tell you didn't get what I was saying, which is that I merely took advantage of a very lucky opening. Outcomes are always going to be different. Using that difference as a means for explaining the objective truth of what happened in this game is not the right way.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: Called England Inept, as well as Russia. Called Germany a Canadian (which I am and take great pride in, used it sarcastically and it ate the guy alive), called Germany a dopehead and a hypocrite (one is an insult, the other is objectivity) called the same guy a joke as I compared what he said to the "joke of a game", repeated and called him a Canadian again. I even restated his arguments to show how bad they were, but I gueess that is semantic to "insult"....AND from that point on, in my following three posts I didn't insult. France, your accusations are weak as well. You call these baseless insults? That is objectively false, I rest my case. You are hotheaded about a couple words and you shouldn't be. In fact.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: You know what, I'll go so far as to say I am sorry if I upset you people. I can see how you interpreted what I said as arrogance, but I beg of you not to look at it that way. Re-read everything I said, I am making clear assertions and they do not contradict. If they do, yell at me over that, not because I called....ya, I still can barely find the loads of insults you two are talking about. I stand by my word because its true.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: alright, this has gone on way too long, I'm done arguing. This has gotten to the point where any more arguing will be pointless. There's just one thing I want to bring up. Turkey you said you were a "better player" than me.....I hope you realize that many people who play this game have been playing online for a short amount of time but have played face to face games for many years. Also I've reviewed your moves and its not really possible to judge how skilled you are as a player with russia and italy generally not doing anything..... Immediately concluding your a better player is a bit bold. I've never met you and I don't know for a fact what your personality is like but I do know that you've spent ALOT of time writing lol and that is not the best way to convince somoene of your argument. Also I KNOW Russia not being here benefitted me...I mentioned that, but I've spent most of this game trying to get russia and italy to play and worrying less about my moves.

I'm sorry....I opened this response by saying I wasn't going to argue anymore and thats what I'm doing, I apologize. Maybe this game would be better if we all muted each other lol.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: I'm one of those Face to Facers...this group is C.S.S Diplomacy. Scott Walpole joined, him and I go as far back as Gr. 5. Now, I joined because I saw C.S.S, which is the exact initialing of my old HIgh School, Chippewa. I was president of that school, I bled red and gold, and I figured this would be a group of boys who were much the same. My history with this game started in Mr. Boal's room (208), we played everyday for a year. I've been online for a couple months now. And I stand by what I said, my moves for screwing over Austria were long submitted when you first brought up the problem of this board. I never had any intention on going further into Russia, and I denoted this by saying to you that it would be better theory to expand into Austria and therefore the Med. I haven't contrdicted myself once, and like I said back there, yes to arrogance, that I can attest to, but no to objectivity. If you think that I am made of gold and walk like a king then you are wrong, and further there is no need for you to derive such from your own reaction to what was said.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: Guys if this is going to keep on I'm just gonna resign.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: Talking...this is diplomacy, especially played on a game board in person.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: I'm done with this conversation as of that last statement.
10 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1903: If one of you refers to me as "turkey" without a capital "T" at the beginning of the word, then you're calling me a game-bird with a bald head and a wattle. Ever insulting.
17 Dec 12 UTC GameMaster: Guevara was banned: multi. The time until the next phase has been extended by one phase length to give an opportunity to replace the player.
Remember to finalize your orders if you don't want to wait, so the game isn't held up unnecessarily!
17 Dec 12 UTC GameMaster: Shevek360 was banned: multi.
17 Dec 12 UTC (jmo1121109): Due to excessive cheating I am going to cancel this game tomorrow. If you all wish to draw the game since no one has been eliminated that is fine as well. I will take the majority vote tomorrow.

-WebDiplomacy Admin
17 Dec 12 UTC You guys up for draws?
17 Dec 12 UTC does the game get cancelled no matter what, cant people come in for those players so that we can continue?
17 Dec 12 UTC Well, so much cheating has been going on, we don't know how the game would have been played otherwise. For all we know, Turkey and italy was the same person, in which case I never stood a chance.

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zqazi2 (635 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 24 D
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bluejays99 (0 D X)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 24 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
tcdix1 (1860 D)
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3 supply-centers, 3 units
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Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 24 D
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Resigned. Bet: 10 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
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3 supply-centers, 3 units
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Resigned. Bet: 10 D
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Drikus (981 D)Russia (Autumn, 1901) with 4 centres.
feibert (100 D)Russia (Autumn, 1904) with 1 centres.
ScottWalpole (100 D)Italy (Spring, 1902) with 3 centres.
coldfire1104 (0 D X)Italy (Spring, 1903) with 3 centres.
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