Finished: 11 PM Mon 17 Dec 12 UTC
Nienna
1 day /phase
Pot: 70 D - Autumn, 1908, Finished
Classic, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by FlemGem (1297 D)
22 Nov 12 UTC Spring, 1901: this is my first time playing but i know how to play with decent statagey
22 Nov 12 UTC Spring, 1901: First time ever or first time online?
22 Nov 12 UTC Spring, 1901: first time ever but i have a friend who is top 25 in the world and he showed me how to play
22 Nov 12 UTC Spring, 1901: Well, here's hoping you do well (but not TOO well, of course).
22 Nov 12 UTC Spring, 1901: Good luck
22 Nov 12 UTC Spring, 1901: thanks
22 Nov 12 UTC Spring, 1901: you to
23 Nov 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: Good luck to all, win or lose it's always fun!
29 Nov 12 UTC Spring, 1903: I think it would be appropriate to draw if Russia and England drop out.
29 Nov 12 UTC Spring, 1903: It would hand a significant edge to France and Turkey. I'm okay with a draw if others are as well.
29 Nov 12 UTC Spring, 1903: You underestimate the power of your German friend :D
29 Nov 12 UTC Spring, 1903: Sounds fine
30 Nov 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: I think Austria, Turkey, and Italy know each other in real life.
30 Nov 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: If you have a cheating accusation to make, email a mod.
30 Nov 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: Will do. It's so obvious though like you guys aren't even trying to be sneaky. All those support holds for no reason, the intentional splitting of the balkans, and finally Italy going for Germany. Italy literally never goes for Germany unless it doesn't have to worry about Austria, Turkey, or France FIRST. Good job guys. You can win a 3 on 1 fight.
30 Nov 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: Considering you were pushing for an Italy-Germany-English attack from round 1, you really have no right to complain about the tables being turned. It's the course of the game. Sometimes you're on the wrong side of the alliance.

The support holds, at least to the limits of my knowledge, are occurring for what scientists like to refer as "shits and giggles". Half of them are, in fact, meaningless because there is nothing else to do with the unit. They are at optimal strategic positions already and aren't good for anything else beyond where they are sitting.

The Balkan splitting is also literally item two on both Turkey's and Austria's list of shit to do on turn one (with number one being the Black Sea and the Ven-Tri border, respectively). Seeing as how before Russia dropped, Turkey and Austria were working together, it's only logical they wouldn't decide to ruin a good thing by fighting each other with free builds on the table.

And me? Oh yes, I, in fact, do not have to worry about France, Turkey, or Austria. Austria and I have been allies since the beginning. Turkey is busy gathering up free builds and not quite at the level of naval capacity to launch a full scale attack on Italy. And going by ground means having to carve through Austria (with me back Austria by sea, no less). And France, well you've been pissing in France's wheaties since turn one. And I've got Piedmont blocked, so I don't have to worry about France, especially since you've been so kind as to keep the whole country tied up for me. I was happy to see your hyper-aggressive tactics stall out, because it gave Austria and I plenty of time to rally our troops into position.

So, yes, report all of us for cheating accusations. Report England too for missing the build and letting France take Liverpool. Obviously that means France and England know each other. Oh, and France. Because they didn't hand over the country. I guess that means you're the only fair player here, that explains why you're losing doesn't it?

TL;DR: You're being a sore loser.
30 Nov 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: Please explain to me how often turkey, Italy, and Austria create a solid alliance where they help each other and aren't worried about their back doors, and support each other for no good reason in the Balkans. Those are three countries that NEVER make a triple alliance and if they do it's filled with backstabs and unaccountableness. And I'm not losing, but I will lose if you guys continue to work with each other because you know each other outside of the game. It's not right and you will be banned for this.
30 Nov 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: France and England are playing fair. Don't bring this argument to them. And yeah clearly France knows England when France moved into Liverpool and England attempted to move back, and England has been helping me attack France this whole time. He had an army in Paris at one point for Christ's sake. Do you listen to yourself?
30 Nov 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: Italy any argument you have for me you can say it in global chat.
30 Nov 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: Here's what Italy sent to me: 03:53 PM If you have a cheating accusation to make, send it to a mod. If not, then stop slinging false accusations because you're losing. Go back, reread all our conversation, and tell me at what point you have grounds to believe I wasn't going to attack you.
01 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: And my response: 03:58 PM Do you believe I'm upset because you attacked me? No, I'm not. We're playing diplomacy and it happens, I accept that. I am not unwilling to go down fairly. And in not accusing you of lying to me, because again it's diplomacy and it all happens. But what I am opposed to is your blatant alliance with Austria and turkey because you guys can trust each other because you know them outside of the game. That's what I'm opposed to. And the fact that you haven't made a valid argument against my point just strengthens my argument. Hop off. Do you think before you write something? Holy hell.
01 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: This alliance predates your invasion of Munich as well. If you scroll back through the maps, this isn't the first time you guys have supported each other for no reason. Also Austria left Trieste wide open for Italy by the end of the first turn. Explain.
01 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: webdipmod@gmail.com
01 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: Seriously dude??? Go check our game history and see if we've ever played in the same game before (pretty sure we haven't) and even if we were in the same game see if we ever allied together (pretty sure we haven't) ... its called diplomacy... u make alliances you break alliances... go check my game history as Austria... I always try to allie with Italy... u have a cheating accusation take it up with a mod don't make stupid baseless accusations
01 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: Diplomacy 101: 1901: A/T/R decide which 2 are going to work together against the 3rd... me and Turkey decided to work together (holy shit, an alliance, really??) and we worked together against russia...
01 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: Germany is this your MO? Do you do this to everyone in your games that make an alliance? You did this to me in our other game... Grow up.
01 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: roflmao
01 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: The fact that T/I/A never make a triple alliance is a perfect reason to make a triple alliance.
01 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1904: exactly
01 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1904: its historic
01 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1904: Definitely not historic.
10 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: Go turkey.
10 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: Germany and Turkey must know each other in real life. No other explanation for Germany rooting for him. .
10 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: Anyone ever tell you how damn funny you are?
10 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: Rather frequently, actually. I'm well regarded by friends and associates for my humor and good spirit.
11 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: Shenanigans

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Turkey
FlemGem (1297 D)
Won. Bet: 10 D, won: 38 D
18 supply-centers, 15 units
France
Nikcole (108 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 15 D
7 supply-centers, 6 units
Italy
JFree (149 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 9 D
4 supply-centers, 5 units
Germany
LeonTrotsky (1248 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 7 D
3 supply-centers, 2 units
England
scotieboy9 (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 5 D
2 supply-centers, 3 units
Russia
cletusawretus (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Austria
kanosha (95 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
cletusawretus (100 D)Russia (Spring, 1903) with 3 centres.
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