Finished: 01 AM Sat 02 May 09 UTC
This game is played in the future
17 hours /phase
Pot: 422 D - Autumn, 1919, Finished
Classic, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by MaikMik (863 D)
27 Apr 09 UTC Autumn, 1906: No. I was just trying to say, that stabbing is part of the game, And anybody would have done just as you did...
14 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1914: Call it a draw?
14 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1914: /draw
14 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1914: GameMaster: jenspo has voted for a draw.
Voted: jenspo Remaining: Alexius_Constantine,MaikMik,ama66144.
14 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1914: /draw
14 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1914: GameMaster: jenspo has withdrawn his vote for a draw.
Voted: Remaining: jenspo,Alexius_Constantine,MaikMik,ama66144.
14 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1914: we should wait untill Russia is officially gone.
14 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1914: Draw, I think not sir. Not until the British isles are under a sea of green. Me and Turkey will win this game. All that is left is when you die, not if.
14 May 09 UTC Spring, 1915: all we need to do now is wait for you to take sandanavia. then i can break through the Mid-Atlantic.
15 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1915: I feel surrounded by zombies trying to get in.
15 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1915: indeed you are! And there is one door open.....
15 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1915: England, given that your defeat is envitable (although both Italy and Turkey have been making suboptimal moves recently) why not simply allow them in and let the game come to an end?
15 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1915: Austria, you are right about being suboptimal sometimes, but some also has to do with a bit of gambling. If you always choose the most logic moves, you become predictable.. Nice to see you are still following the game though!
15 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1915: /draw
15 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1915: GameMaster: jenspo has voted for a draw.
Voted: jenspo Remaining: Alexius_Constantine,MaikMik.
15 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1915: The game is not over yet.And there is only ONE winner in Diplomacy, so Turkey or Italy will have to stab eachother. Or settle for the humiliation of a draw game. The first one to contact me for cooperation will get it.
15 May 09 UTC Spring, 1916: Ahh England, we detect your frustration but our alliance will not fail because you decide to be angsty.

Turkey and I, have a good level of trust now, and why would we work with you, a player proven to backstab?

No, I think our current course of action is the best.
15 May 09 UTC Spring, 1916: I hardly think a history of backstabbing is a rare quality amongst Diplomacy players. At least not amongst diplomacy players who have ever won anything ;-) ... at all...
15 May 09 UTC Spring, 1916: oh SNAP!
15 May 09 UTC Spring, 1916: I just checked your guys profiles... I didn't realize that my earlier comment hit that many of you.
15 May 09 UTC Spring, 1916: You certainly shall not win this game.
15 May 09 UTC Spring, 1916: I'm sure I'm not going to win. But it seems like nobody is going to win this game.
16 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1916: IF you both plan to settle for a draw why not make it a 3-way draw?
16 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1916: lol
16 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1916: Because we don't want you to be at the end. Rather simple, you're rude and I just don't want to give you anything. Ever.

If we're going to win, why not just surrender and be done with this game you oh so do not like.
16 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1916: Rude??? Because I stated that none of you had ever won a game. I was trying to make a point about your "draw" strategy. => That is not the way to win... Maybe a little provokative, but that is often neccesary to get people to change their (irratioal) beliefs.
16 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1916: yawn, we shall see.
17 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1917: Funny how you appose against a draw and somehow suggested a 3-way draw yourself several times...
17 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1917: Well I would prefer a win, if I could get it... by an means.
17 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1917: I should point out that 2 player draws are generally unlikely... Either one or the other will have 18 builds...since one player tends to be the main aggressor of the 2 at the death.
17 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1917: I have a feeling it might end like that for this one too.
18 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1917: I have a ver ysatisfying 17-17 draw in my history, feel free to look at it...
18 May 09 UTC Spring, 1918: I just looked at it. I see you stabbed Italy in that one. That is probably why it was so satisfying... for a draw.
18 May 09 UTC Spring, 1918: I always said, I have one ally I will remain loyal to. In this game it is italy.
18 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1918: Yes, I understand and admire your persistence.
18 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1918: I enjoy this game. It is a real challenge. Often you end up in a game where the last 4 years are almost automated moves. But here there is still diplomacy, intrigue and tactical challenges.
18 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1918: tactical challenges indeed, not so much intrigue... I also enjoy the game, just not so much the talk of the last few years. I enjoy more polite talk.. ;-)
18 May 09 UTC Autumn, 1918: Mike, Could you just finish the game now, Take Munich and Naples, and you have your first victory. Otherwise we'll be going on forever.
18 May 09 UTC Spring, 1919: Sorry man, I wish to end this game together with italy. 17-17 draw.
18 May 09 UTC Spring, 1919: why? I just don't understand who would go into a game with the desire to draw. Diplomacy was not made to be a co-op game. The draw is a last resort for stalemated games, not some prize to shoot for from the start. You obviously have a clear path to victory, why would you refrain?
18 May 09 UTC Spring, 1919: Someone didn't read the prisoner's dilema in economics/game theory class...

The win is there to take, so why not take it?
18 May 09 UTC Turkey. You are far far ahead of Italy, waiting for both of you to get to 17 is really silly. I will try to avoid playing with you again.
18 May 09 UTC Back stabbing is only common in the game of diplomacy, it is not a must. I think you need to give the rules a good read. You are just upset that honesty and integrity is trumping good ole fashion sin.

Also, I see you're losing. . .
18 May 09 UTC Well so are you.
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"Victory is for loosers"
18 May 09 UTC Remember it's bad style to be influenced by previous games.
19 May 09 UTC I bet this last turn settles all the discussion? Of course stabbing is part of this game, but telling people you will stab them is just stupid tactics! It could not be more effective than this.
19 May 09 UTC Nice stab. What a relief you are human after all!
19 May 09 UTC Does it feel good to win? :-D
20 May 09 UTC Not towards Italy I must say, I am as honest as can be....

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Turkey
MaikMik (863 D)
Won. Bet: 50 D, won: 2954 D
21 supply-centers, 16 units
Italy
Survived. Bet: 39 D, won: 1266 D
9 supply-centers, 12 units
England
jenspo (1242 D)
Survived. Bet: 50 D, won: 563 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
France
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Russia
ama66144 (130 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Austria
LeeArama (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 13 D
Germany
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
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