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Finished: 06 AM Mon 15 Oct 12 UTC
Private Bay12 Diplomacy 2 - electric boogaloo
1 day /phase
Pot: 490 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Akroma (967 D)
29 Sep 12 UTC Spring, 1903: You're a liar who ditched the game! ARGHBLARGH THE GAME IS DEAD BECAUSE OF YOU
29 Sep 12 UTC Spring, 1903: sorry, I didn't mean to offend you.
29 Sep 12 UTC Spring, 1903: Quick! A distraction! SANTA IS BEHIND YOU!
02 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: NOEZ , I didn't have time to make my moves today!
02 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: DELICIOUS TERRITORY! MINE!
04 Oct 12 UTC Spring, 1904: delicious territory you say ?

yes, I know how you feel
04 Oct 12 UTC Spring, 1904: I would like some DELICIOUS TERRITORY too!
04 Oct 12 UTC Spring, 1904: well... that might be complicated
04 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: Insofar as that Austria is about three moves away from winning, and defeating her is basically impossible at this point.

Acquiring TERRITORY, DELICIOUS or not, is difficult when you are being mercilessly curbstomped.
04 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: I always said that the only way to win this game is with speed
if there is a war where you can not immediatly gain at least 2 centers, dont start it until you can
04 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: that is to say, I greatly thank Italy for his generous donation :P
04 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: I was just going to say, you guys Austria is a problem!

I don't suppose any of you have any plans that involve holding Austria's DELICIOUS TERRITORY until I can take it? Or is it to late already?
05 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: You only just realized that she's a problem.

wat

...........wat
05 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: maybe on the long run

on the short run, england who's taking belgium and portugal, and italy who is taking marsailles, and germany, who has a unit that resides deeply entrenched behind your lines, able to grab at almost every center you have, are your problem

I guarantee, when they are done with you, you won't have to worry about me at all.

in fact, italies timely demise will make it possible for you to regain marsailles and to protect spain
07 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: hmm, nothern front is a stalemate already, and mediterran--eh, give it 2-3 turns

there is barely any gain to be had for me, none whatsoever for germany, and only england actually gains a position for a turnabout, if he choses to betray germany in 2-3 turns.

the eventual outcome is obvious

I propose a 3-way draw.

let us get rid of russia, italy and france, and split the pot amongst the big players
07 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: France is on the way. :p
07 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: yeah, but a 5-way draw is not satisfying.

a 4-way draw is the absolute max
07 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'd say england-germany-austria-italy

unlike russia, italy still has 2 centers, and might even get back to 3 this turn. also, italies situation is mostly based on bad luck and missing moves, while russia's situation, well, he lost fair and square
07 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: Russia did play well: he got a vicious stabbed when loosing 5 centers out of seven in one fell swoop and managed to outlive Turkey, and even to come back from the death, from 0 centers to 1. Diplomatically, he played me and Germany well to convince us to keep him alive. He's worthy of a draw.
07 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: did you not see russia's innitial moves?

oh no, he didn't play well. also, seeing stabs coming is playing well

as for outliving turkey, turkey quit the game. turkey could have lived a lot longer
07 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: note that I will not draw before italy OR warsaw is eliminated. that france will be eliminated by that time probably goes without saying
07 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: :I

Give me a break, I'm new to this.

That said yeah, I screwed up big time.
07 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: well, as I said, if italy dies before you, I am fine with that. then we can 4-way draw.

I suppose germany could have the courtesy to take marsailles, you guys will need an army in marsailles anyway
08 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: Well, not exactly what was planned.
08 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: yeah. france, italy and russia are still alife

come on guys, you need to kill them harder
08 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: I don't remember saying anything about killing them.
08 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: well, I was just assuming that your plan was to kill all 3 of them and go into a 3-way draw

any other plan would have been ridiculous, I mean, come on, really ?
08 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: I don't give a damn about points. The rule only recognise the status of drawer and don't make a difference between a 3-sided draw and a 4-sided one. The game was over, and as far as I'm concerned we could have drawn last turn.

You did play well, so the game is not in the state of equilibrium it was. But as soon as the game is back in that state, I'll start advocating a draw again. Holding on because you care so much about your rating on this site is childish and frankly damn dumb.
08 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: not about my rating, just about winning.

what I want is a game of diplomacy that is waged with the intensity of hell itself, where everyone only motivation is winning, which includes making sure nobody else wins. a game like that will go on for a long time, and might even end in 7-way draw.

anything else is just boring, a fake battle with fake motivations.

you guys had the chance to put this board in a stalemate *once*

that will not happen twice, chance missed, game lost
08 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: Hey, at some point you cannot win, and you have to settle for a draw. I admit we screwed up last turn, but I do not think the game is lost yet. The battlefield is moving. You have few fleets to hold in the med.

You played well so far. You won the last battle handily, in a large part because I did not spend enough time making sure everyone was coordinated on our side. But you did not win the war yet.
08 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: heh, that's what I like to hear. but rest assured, it's over. gathering the last centers is just a token action
08 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: We'll see. Now, can we stop the cheap agitprop and get to the part where we kick your ass? (Yes, this statement contradict itself. I don't care, I'm pink).
08 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: don't worry about being pink, once I covered the map red, everyone will think the empire will have laid their flag there
08 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: Well, Madagascar, you'll never managed to get it.
08 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: because they closed their ports, right in the beginning of the game

how unfair is that?
08 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: anyway

England cancels win: Interrupted by rhesus macaque
09 Oct 12 UTC Spring, 1906: France cancels win: Interrupted by vulture.
09 Oct 12 UTC Spring, 1906: the vulture is a majestic king among animals!
10 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: well, time to inform you, university is starting up again

so meh, I am drowning in homework after the first day already, so here, have your draw
10 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: actually, nah

the stalemateline is set up, I can easily just sit this out. either england turns against germany, or it becomes a three way draw, either way, I can't be defeated, so oh well

all I have to do is wait, until england runs impatient, realising the only way to progress the game is by trying to outrun me
10 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: Aha, I was wondering how you manged to be online 24/24. I wonder how the game would have turned out if you had to do other things like we did. :)
10 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: the exact same way

anyway, be a pal and get rid of italy and france this turn, so we can at least turn this into a 4-way draw
10 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: You mean Italy and Russia.
10 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: s..sure
10 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: What, what. No. Russia is a very important part of the, uh, stalemate-line.

The fortifications at Warsaw are the only things keeping the Red Menace confined to the south.

Or something.
10 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: to me, it kinda looks like warsaw hasn't done anything since you moved there
10 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: Damn it. My hard drive decides to die and I lose two centers.
12 Oct 12 UTC Spring, 1907: hmm, looks like I will not lose munich and tunis afterall
13 Oct 12 UTC Spring, 1907: sigh, I had such a good plan on how to win, and now germany is just dropping out, rendering my plan moot

oh well

victory is victory
14 Oct 12 UTC Well, I'm giving up too then. No way I can do anything now. GG Akroma.

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Austria
Akroma (967 D)
Won. Bet: 70 D, won: 490 D
18 supply-centers, 16 units
England
sheb (144 D)
Survived. Bet: 70 D
10 supply-centers, 9 units
Italy
Dariush (140 D)
Survived. Bet: 70 D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
France
Survived. Bet: 70 D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
Germany
Deathsword (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 70 D
6 supply-centers, 5 units
Russia
NUKE9.13 (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 70 D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
Turkey
AGMaverick (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 70 D
Civil Disorders
AGMaverick (100 D)Turkey (Spring, 1904) with 1 centres.
Deathsword (100 D)Germany (Spring, 1907) with 6 centres.
NUKE9.13 (100 D)Russia (Autumn, 1907) with 0 centres.
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