Epic

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  • Last visited: 19 May 19 UTC
  • Joined: 21 Sep 18 UTC


Ranking Info Help

    PointsD:
  • Available: 126
  • In play: 0
  • Total: 126
  • Ghost Rating Overall:
  • Rating: 99
  • Peak: 105
  • Position: 28,297
  • Ghost Rating Full Press:
  • Rating: 92
  • Peak: 100
  • Position: 26,221
  • Ghost Rating Gunboat:
  • Rating: 102
  • Peak: 102
  • Position: 2,636


Game Stats
  • All Game stats:
  • Game messages: 460

  • Drawn: 4 ( 27% )
  • Survived: 3 ( 20% )
  • Defeated: 8 ( 53% )
  • Total (finished): 15

  • Civil disorder: 1
  • Civil disorders taken over: 1
  • Classic:
  • Drawn: 2 ( 33% )
  • Survived: 2 ( 33% )
  • Defeated: 2 ( 33% )
  • Total (finished): 6
  • Classic Press:
  • Drawn: 1 ( 25% )
  • Survived: 2 ( 50% )
  • Defeated: 1 ( 25% )
  • Total (finished): 4
  • Classic Gunboat:
  • Drawn: 1 ( 100% )
  • Total (finished): 1
  • Classic Ranked:
  • Drawn: 2 ( 33% )
  • Survived: 2 ( 33% )
  • Defeated: 2 ( 33% )
  • Total (finished): 6
  • Variant stats:
  • Drawn: 2 ( 22% )
  • Survived: 1 ( 11% )
  • Defeated: 6 ( 67% )
  • Total (finished): 9


Reliability Rating: 100%

Reliability Explained:

What is Reliability?

Reliability is how consistently you avoid interrupting games. Any un-excused missed turns hurt your rating. If you have any un-excused missed turns in the last 4 weeks you will receive an 11% penalty to your RR for each of those delays. It is very important to everyone you are playing with to be reliable but we understand mistakes happen so this extra penalty will drop to 5% after 28 days. All of the un-excused missed turns that negatively impact your rating are highlighted in red below. Excused delays will only negatively impact your base score, seen below. Mod excused delays do not hurt your score in any way.

Live Game: If a game had phases 60 minutes long or less any excused missed turns will only impact your rating for 28 days total. The penalty is the same, 5% long term and 6% short term, except the long term penalty is for 28 days and the short term is for 7 days.
System Excused: If you had an "excused missed turn" left this will be yes and will not cause additional penalties against your rating.
Mod Excused: If a moderator excused the missed turn this field will be yes and will not cause additional penalties against your rating.
Same Period Excused: If you have multiple un-excused missed turns in a 24 hour period you are only penalized once with the exception of live games, if this field is yes it will not cause additional penalties against your rating.

What happens if my rating is low?

Many games are made with a minimum rating requirement so this may impact the quality of games you can enter. If you have more then 3 non-live un-excused missed turns in a year you will begin getting temporarily banned from making new games, joining existing games, or rejoining your own games.

  • 1-3 un-excused delays: warnings
  • 4 un-excused delays: 1-day temp ban
  • 5 un-excused delays: 3-day temp ban
  • 6 un-excused delays: 7-day temp ban
  • 7 un-excused delays: 14-day temp ban
  • 8 un-excused delays: 30-day temp ban
  • 9 or more un-excused delays: infinite, must contact mods for removal
  • Live game excused turns are penalized independently for temporary bans. 1-2 un-excused missed turns in live games will be a warning, and the 3rd, and any after that will result in a 24 hour temp ban. The 2 warnings reset every 28 days resulting in significantly more yearly warnings for live game players then the normal system.


    User relationships

    User relationships serve two purposes:

    • 1. Allow users who have a relationship outside of the server to disclose and register the relationship.

      This lets other players account for possible bias in-game, lets players set their games to exclude close relationships between players, and helps the moderator team ignore otherwise suspicious usage patterns (e.g. a family / school using the same computer / network).
    • 2. Give users a way to register a suspicion that two or more users may have an undisclosed relationship, based on in-game behavior.

      This gives the suspected user a chance to explain before needing moderators, allows users to exclude suspected-cheaters from their games, gives an extra mechanism to help moderators identify cheaters by taking the suspicions of many users together, provides a single place where a suspicion can be discussed directly, and allows repeat offenders to be tracked across new accounts and excluded without requiring bans.

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    Epic's games

    Showing results 1 to 15 of 15 total results.

    Finished: 12 PM Mon 04 Feb 19 UTC
    Public Press!
    1 day /phase
    Pot: 70 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
    Classic, Public messaging only, Sum-of-Squares Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by Scobos (430D)
    Turkey
    Scobos (430D)
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 13 units
    England
    Survived. 6 supply-centers, 6 units
    Russia
    What1881 (152D)
    Survived. 4 supply-centers, 4 units
    France
    BlueRurik (100D)
    Survived. 4 supply-centers, 4 units
    Italy
    TamaraSlayer (125D)
    Survived. 2 supply-centers, 2 units
    Germany
    Flamebere (125D)
    Survived. 0 supply-centers, 1 units
    Austria
    Epic (126D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Civil Disorders
    YaBoyFabster (163D)France (Spring, 1907) with 5 centres.
    ReverendJohnny (102D)Germany (Autumn, 1906) with 1 centres.
    Finished: 10 PM Mon 03 Dec 18 UTC
    For Ferdinand!
    12 hours /phase
    Pot: 70 D - Autumn, 1912, Finished
    Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by sweabia (238D)
    France
    sweabia (238D)
    Won. 19 supply-centers, 16 units
    Russia
    nguyenmt (5329D)
    Survived. 14 supply-centers, 16 units
    England
    Epic (126D)
    Survived. 1 supply-centers, 2 units
    Austria
    v_ diplomat4 (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Germany
    ppaquette (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Turkey
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Italy
    rboldyn (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Civil Disorders
    v_ diplomat4 (100D)Austria (Autumn, 1911) with 0 centres.
    jerkken (100D)Russia (Autumn, 1904) with 8 centres.
    Needrah (100D)Italy (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.
    Finished: 03 AM Fri 25 Jan 19 UTC
    Cry Havoc-6
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 200 D - Autumn, 2006, Finished
    Modern Diplomacy II, Rulebook press, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by Vom Kriege (877D)
    Britain
    Vom Kriege (877D)
    Won. 37 supply-centers, 32 units
    Turkey
    em01 (304D)
    Survived. 16 supply-centers, 15 units
    Egypt
    Creigh (2472D(G))
    Survived. 6 supply-centers, 6 units
    Germany
    Pjsticha (182D)
    Survived. 5 supply-centers, 6 units
    France
    knikpiw (190D)
    Defeated. Bet: 20D
    Italy
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Poland
    jay-boogie (130D)
    Defeated. Bet: 20D
    Russia
    BillyJoeBob (319D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Spain
    Vasisubani (243D)
    Defeated. Bet: 20D
    Ukraine
    Epic (126D)
    Defeated. Bet: 20D
    Civil Disorders
    neonpogotank (100D)Italy (Autumn, 1998) with 3 centres.
    korupt4life (100D)Russia (Spring, 1995) with 4 centres.
    Finished: 03 PM Wed 20 Feb 19 UTC
    The Kint Sozel Tournament 10
    1 day /phase
    Pot: 170 D - Spring, 2018, Finished
    World Diplomacy IX, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Europe
    Thorrbo (926D)
    Drawn. 43 supply-centers, 38 units
    Near-East
    GEN.NEDROW (146D)
    Drawn. 43 supply-centers, 38 units
    Argentina
    Vasisubani (243D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Brazil
    Alvin (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    China
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Frozen-Antarctica
    Epic (126D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Ghana
    RavenEyed (151D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    India
    SmuRumS (307D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Kenya
    Dutcher (1143D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Libya
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Pacific-Russia
    latefourwork (228D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Quebec
    claytonsav (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Russia
    Levelhead (1449D(G))
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    South-Africa
    Kaiser Kel (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    USA
    Varme (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Western-Canada
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Oz
    Petehead (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Civil Disorders
    mmyers (100D)Quebec (Autumn, 2003) with 2 centres.
    AJPietro (266D)Libya (Autumn, 2000) with 3 centres.
    cardboardbox (651D)Western-Canada (Spring, 2010) with 9 centres.
    mathking55 (100D)Russia (Autumn, 2000) with 3 centres.
    Finished: 08 AM Sat 05 Jan 19 UTC
    The Kint Sozel Tournament 6
    1 day /phase
    Pot: 50 D - Spring, 2015, Finished
    Fall of the American Empire IV, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    New-York
    Epic (126D)
    Drawn. 30 supply-centers, 30 units
    British-Columbia
    canopus12 (262D)
    Drawn. 23 supply-centers, 23 units
    Peru
    gordonpup (1127D)
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    California
    GEN.NEDROW (146D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Florida
    rboldyn (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Heartland
    DominatorLJ (309D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Mexico
    Horatius42 (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Quebec
    i7evil (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Texas
    Pjsticha (182D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Cuba
    sadarchie (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Civil Disorders
    sunsnap (100D)Florida (Autumn, 2002) with 4 centres.
    theGART (0DX)Cuba (Autumn, 2000) with 3 centres.
    Damycles (100D)Mexico (Autumn, 1999) with 3 centres.
    Finished: 09 AM Wed 09 Jan 19 UTC
    The Axe is of Evil
    1 day /phase
    Pot: 255 D - Autumn, 2012, Finished
    World Diplomacy IX, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Brazil
    gordonpup (1127D)
    Drawn. 25 supply-centers, 25 units
    Near-East
    nguyenmt (5329D)
    Drawn. 23 supply-centers, 21 units
    Ghana
    Drawn. 20 supply-centers, 20 units
    Frozen-Antarctica
    Eric1984 (3985D)
    Drawn. 12 supply-centers, 11 units
    China
    Taurus II (232D)
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    Pacific-Russia
    Drawn. 1 supply-centers, 3 units
    India
    Defeated. Bet: 15D
    Argentina
    Locke- (1004D)
    Defeated. Bet: 15D
    Kenya
    cardboardbox (651D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Russia
    Doshy II (135D)
    Defeated. Bet: 15D
    Western-Canada
    Epic (126D)
    Defeated. Bet: 15D
    Europe
    thamunda (124D)
    Defeated. Bet: 15D
    South-Africa
    Jonlad (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 15D
    Oz
    Drakon (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 15D
    USA
    Horatius42 (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 15D
    Quebec
    barrenprutt (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Libya
    Mythologia (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Civil Disorders
    FriendlyNation (123D)Ghana (Autumn, 2006) with 18 centres.
    Striketoberfest3 (100D)Kenya (Autumn, 2000) with 3 centres.
    mikelthe1 (100D)Near-East (Autumn, 2000) with 3 centres.
    sunsnap (100D)Libya (Autumn, 2001) with 4 centres.
    Arcees (100D)Quebec (Autumn, 2004) with 7 centres.
    Jkump1 (50DX)Libya (Autumn, 2003) with 1 centres.
    BooRadley (40DX)Pacific-Russia (Autumn, 2003) with 5 centres.
    DiddyKong (100D)Libya (Autumn, 2002) with 1 centres.
    Brickkid30 (100D)Libya (Spring, 2004) with 1 centres.
    LittleDeandy (100D)Quebec (Autumn, 2006) with 2 centres.
    SerpentineYankee (100D)Quebec (Spring, 2007) with 2 centres.
    Finished: 06 AM Mon 05 Nov 18 UTC
    Classic Diplomacy-67
    1 day /phase
    Pot: 210 D - Spring, 1913, Finished
    Classic, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    France
    Miguel1612 (286D)
    Drawn. 14 supply-centers, 14 units
    Germany
    thdfrance (187D)
    Drawn. 10 supply-centers, 9 units
    Russia
    Epic (126D)
    Drawn. 10 supply-centers, 10 units
    Italy
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    Turkey
    Nurelya (227D)
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    Austria
    montalvo (170D(B))
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    England
    Birchford (167D)
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    Finished: 04 PM Mon 12 Nov 18 UTC
    Gunboatttttttt
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 105 D - Autumn, 1910, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Turkey
    Theoneandonly (12736D)
    Drawn. 17 supply-centers, 17 units
    Germany
    Epic (126D)
    Drawn. 10 supply-centers, 10 units
    England
    jollycream (969D)
    Drawn. 7 supply-centers, 7 units
    France
    hewwo gamers (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 15D
    Italy
    King John (155D)
    Defeated. Bet: 15D
    Austria
    Arun2642 (613D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Russia
    ItsHosuke (249D)
    Defeated. Bet: 15D
    Civil Disorders
    justinnhoo (2343D)Austria (Autumn, 1909) with 0 centres.
    Finished: 01 PM Tue 09 Oct 18 UTC
    Ancient Warfare-8
    1 day /phase
    Pot: 25 D - Autumn, 8, Finished
    The Ancient Mediterranean, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by Hydra07 (179D)
    Carthage
    Hydra07 (179D)
    Won. 19 supply-centers, 16 units
    Egypt
    10195097 (20D)
    Survived. 13 supply-centers, 12 units
    Greece
    Epic (126D)
    Survived. 1 supply-centers, 2 units
    Persia
    Survived. 1 supply-centers, 3 units
    Rome
    legaala (170D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Finished: 02 PM Wed 31 Oct 18 UTC
    New Game- 03
    1 day /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1914, Finished
    Classic, Rulebook press, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Austria
    SmuRumS (307D)
    Drawn. 17 supply-centers, 17 units
    Italy
    nickopotamus (277D)
    Drawn. 15 supply-centers, 15 units
    Russia
    Drawn. 2 supply-centers, 1 units
    England
    SchmidtGit (1033D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    France
    Mrsasquatch (132D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Germany
    Arun2642 (613D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Turkey
    Epic (126D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Civil Disorders
    Nath2099 (0DX)Germany (Autumn, 1903) with 2 centres.
    Finished: 04 AM Thu 01 Nov 18 UTC
    A good game in America
    1 day /phase
    Pot: 100 D - Spring, 2011, Finished
    Fall of the American Empire IV, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    California
    nickopotamus (277D)
    Drawn. 23 supply-centers, 23 units
    New-York
    vinojardino (299D)
    Drawn. 22 supply-centers, 22 units
    Heartland
    Drawn. 13 supply-centers, 13 units
    British-Columbia
    gordonpup (1127D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Florida
    JimmyYee (109D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Mexico
    Mrsasquatch (132D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Peru
    yellowfin (143D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Quebec
    Drakon (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Texas
    Epic (126D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Cuba
    Horatius42 (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Civil Disorders
    GoatLover (100D(S))Florida (Autumn, 2002) with 4 centres.
    Finished: 10 PM Fri 16 Nov 18 UTC
    Have Fun!-5
    1 day /phase
    Pot: 85 D - Spring, 2013, Finished
    World Diplomacy IX, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Argentina
    KeyboardFire (567D)
    Drawn. 20 supply-centers, 17 units
    China
    Theoneandonly (12736D)
    Drawn. 19 supply-centers, 19 units
    Ghana
    Hazcam950 (100D)
    Drawn. 19 supply-centers, 19 units
    Russia
    rannjohnson (1286D)
    Drawn. 15 supply-centers, 15 units
    Western-Canada
    nguyenmt (5329D)
    Drawn. 13 supply-centers, 13 units
    Brazil
    DominatorLJ (309D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Europe
    zerosignal (174D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Frozen-Antarctica
    Gishsteele (231D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    India
    vinojardino (299D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Kenya
    Arun2642 (613D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Libya
    MageFox (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Near-East
    Tehepiccat (95D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Pacific-Russia
    SHOWMAN99 (89DX)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Quebec
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    South-Africa
    Epic (126D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    USA
    Hydra07 (179D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Oz
    ZergSlayer (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Civil Disorders
    PeterAlexLyon (100D)Western-Canada (Autumn, 2007) with 11 centres.
    echoes11 (338D)Kenya (Spring, 2002) with 3 centres.
    chapmanemilym (100D)Near-East (Spring, 2001) with 4 centres.
    SniperPig (100D)Frozen-Antarctica (Autumn, 2005) with 1 centres.
    JimmyYee (109D)Libya (Autumn, 2005) with 2 centres.
    SHOWMAN99 (89DX)Pacific-Russia (Autumn, 2004) with 0 centres.
    eRommel (0DX)Quebec (Spring, 2002) with 5 centres.
    dot_pause_dot (100D)Kenya (Spring, 2003) with 3 centres.
    Ummm (100D)Ghana (Autumn, 2004) with 9 centres.
    Coolhandluck (80DX)Near-East (Autumn, 2000) with 3 centres.
    Euterpe (100D)Kenya (Autumn, 2004) with 0 centres.
    Finished: 12 PM Wed 10 Oct 18 UTC
    The Unreliables-2
    1 day /phase
    Pot: 56 D - Autumn, 1910, Finished
    Classic, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by DespotOfCascadia (100D)
    Turkey
    Won. 19 supply-centers, 16 units
    England
    po (367D)
    Survived. 7 supply-centers, 7 units
    Germany
    PhoeNox (166D)
    Survived. 6 supply-centers, 7 units
    Italy
    Epic (126D)
    Survived. 2 supply-centers, 3 units
    Russia
    Doshy II (135D)
    Defeated. Bet: 8D
    Austria
    eaterofcake (115D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    France
    BlueRurik (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 8D
    Civil Disorders
    Zach0805 (100D)Austria (Spring, 1902) with 3 centres.
    Finished: 10 AM Tue 13 Nov 18 UTC
    I Just Want to be Emperor
    1 day /phase
    Pot: 200 D - Autumn, 2005, Finished
    Modern Diplomacy II, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Britain
    Hoppsywins (1387D)
    Drawn. 26 supply-centers, 23 units
    Turkey
    Epic (126D)
    Drawn. 20 supply-centers, 18 units
    France
    sideroxylon1 (1434D)
    Drawn. 18 supply-centers, 17 units
    Poland
    Sohlo (119D)
    Drawn. 0 supply-centers, 3 units
    Egypt
    Locke- (1004D)
    Defeated. Bet: 20D
    Spain
    Arun2642 (613D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Italy
    Goldeh (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 20D
    Ukraine
    SayGen (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 20D
    Russia
    Tehepiccat (95D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Germany
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Civil Disorders
    Zach0805 (100D)Russia (Spring, 1995) with 5 centres.
    chapmanemilym (100D)Poland (Autumn, 1994) with 3 centres.
    Gold Leader (106D)Germany (Autumn, 1996) with 10 centres.
    Coolhandluck (80DX)Spain (Autumn, 1994) with 4 centres.
    Finished: 02 AM Thu 15 Nov 18 UTC
    The-world-is-yours
    12 hours /phase
    Pot: 90 D - Autumn, 2021, Finished
    World Diplomacy IX, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by Magnetic24 (0DX)
    Argentina
    Won. 44 supply-centers, 36 units
    Kenya
    Wusti (884D)
    Survived. 24 supply-centers, 23 units
    Pacific-Russia
    Survived. 18 supply-centers, 16 units
    Brazil
    ibuprofen (2180D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    China
    Hazcam950 (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Europe
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Frozen-Antarctica
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Ghana
    dr.Ralph (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    India
    Saladdragon (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Libya
    SHOWMAN99 (89DX)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Near-East
    jimifitt (95D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Quebec
    jerkken (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Russia
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    South-Africa
    JuicyBacon (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    USA
    CAPT Brad (40DX)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Western-Canada
    Berrey22 (5DX)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Oz
    Epic (126D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0D
    Civil Disorders
    Nerizan (100D)South-Africa (Spring, 2001) with 3 centres.
    Beardsworth (100D)Kenya (Spring, 2009) with 18 centres.
    yeetuscomegetthisfoetus (120D)Oz (Autumn, 2002) with 4 centres.
    JohnSmith540 (91DX)Argentina (Autumn, 2002) with 7 centres.
    PiterProfit (100D)South-Africa (Spring, 2002) with 2 centres.