- Re: Feminism gone too far
Orathaic I agree with you as to the notion of pedestals creating these types of issues, hence my saying I agreed with what author of the article was doing. I end up in flame wars with people of all creeds because I am basically someone that believes in equal rights to a radical degree. I fight with feminists and MRAs, Republicans and Democrats, religious folks and atheists on a constant basis. I am very much for the military allowing women into combat roles as that will likely make selective service registration completely gender neutral. I am tired of women getting paid less than men but I also see where it is starting to change. I am also tired of a primary education system that tosses little boys aside that have too much energy and sticks them with a label, and normally meds, that will affect them for the rest of their lives. I don't want my friends, my kids, or anyone else set upon due to anything that is beyond there control, be it gender, race, orientation, or anything else that one has thrust upon them by the randomness of the universe. I know worthless men and wonderful women. I also know the reverse.
My reason for attacking the 77% stat is that I feel it has long been used as a cudgel against those that dissent with feminism. Yes it exists, but it is also starting to change. I am anti patriarchy not out of being a staunch feminist but out of a desire for equal rights in all things. Women are not biologically, physchologically, or in any other way better parents than men. Some women are wonderful at it, some are terrible at it. So yeah I have issues with courts favoring women over men in custody disputes. I am over simplifying? Possibly, but you also seem to be over simplifying what I am saying or missing the point. I am not antifeminist. But I am one of those people that believe equal rights demands equal responsibility. So if things are moving towards equality in pay (look at the stats for black male versus black female unemployment over the last few years and notice that in that racial category women are more likely to get hired than men) then things like parenting load, time off for children, equality in custody disputes, and the like are also on the table. Chivalry, the pay gap, and exclusive male control of most corporations should be dead, so should propping up "historical maternal rights," a gendered draft/selective service law, and gender biased criminal courts.
And to the issue brought up by Krellin about being a stay at home dad, been there, done that, cannot find a gig now even with tons of experience. So once the semester is over I will be taking whatever job I can find as long as still allows me to be a parent. And you know what? It sucks that society does not value what I did but I do and I know my son does. He is bright, strong, determined, and fun as hell to be around. If I drew the short end for being the dad he needed me to be at a key time in his life, so fucking be it. Do I hope that if my son decides to do the same 20 years from now he does not suffer for it, certainly. But I also hope I am raising him well enough to know that if that is the best choice then take the damn consequences and drive on young man.
As to the notion that those that decide to be stay at home parents should start out at the bottom of the payscale my guess would be you say that because you don't want competition from people that might actually be well rounded people. Then again that probably has something to do with your anti-liberal arts degree stance. Well that and the fact that it has the word liberal in it. Seriously dude, look at Sweden for the way laws on parenting should be and how workers of both genders should be treated and while I am fairly certain you will think it is all horseshit it is the wave of the future and thank the flying spaghetti monster for that. And liberal arts degrees serve people very well in the business world, as those degrees teach people to argue, process large amounts of disparate data into a functional synthesis, speed read, and actually type things. I have taught business majors in gen ed classes before, and I have also taught chefs that were aspiring restaurant managers. I will take any of my former students from the culinary academy I taught at over any business student I ever had. And not just as a teacher, I would rather employ them in any business. I can teach business skills to someone that knows how to work and think critically much more rapidly than I can teach someone that knows marketing and hyperbolic business buzzword jargon how to think critically and turn on a dime.
@ theministerofwar I could not agree more. Being a dad is no more challenging than being a mom once the kid is born save for the breast feeding thing. Funny thing is that kids seem to be fine with drinking breast milk or formula out of a bottle if you get them used to it. They might prefer breast milk directly from the breast, but I prefer steak and curly fries but I often end up with jambalaya, pizza, or something else that is not steak and curly fries. I can adjust, and so can they. Men need to be dads when they have kids. It is not as hard as it seems and the rewards are boundless.
@ skittlekicks what is with the cucumber sammiches? Is that a Freudian/penis envy thing? :
- Re: Feminism gone too far
I love the 77 cents on the dollar stat getting thrown around. People that mention that rarely mention how many more women go to college than men and that the number seems to be increasing, or the recent data that shows that women under 30 in urban areas make more than men of the same age bracket. Or if they do mention it those revelations always come with the attitude that it is a good thing. We also don't hear as much about women getting lighter prison sentences than men for committing the same crimes, women being almost immune to prosecution for domestic violence, the gap in boys being diagnosed ADD or ADHD versus girls, or other such issues where the patriarchy favors women. I applaud the author of the blog trying to breakdown gendered gentlemanly behavior because that sense of entitlement leads to all sorts of problems on both sides down the line.
And why is gentlemanly behavior so important to some of you yet you will rip each other to shreds over someone disagreeing with you on it? How in the blue bloody hell is that in anyway gentlemanly?
@ Krellin, it is true that maternity leave can be an issue for businesses, perhaps if our society valued the parenting contributions of fathers we would have that "problem" on both sides and businesses would be used to both parents taking leave and be able to adjust accordingly. Additionally on the argument of women are more expensive employees, men die sooner so businesses lose valuable employees that way. Maybe companies should stop hiring old dudes?
And Draugnar nice bringing the Gen X bashing into the mix with your "boomer's kids" quip. No we are not as self deprecatingly polite as Gen Y or as the Boomers. Of course the Boomers did more to trash the world politically, economically, and culturally than they ever did to try and make it better. Hell if it was not for things like the Civil Rights Movement Boomers would be nigh onto goddamn worthless. Your problem with Gen X is that we largely prefer not to kiss ass, especially to people like you that are just as rude as you claim us to be. And how in the fuck we got on generational rants from boys having to pee second at a daycare is beyond me, but then so is much of your "logic." And considering your pattern of speech/typing and your wife's mother's age I going to go with "privileged unknown race 60 something asshole." For someone in theory standing up for civility and not prejudging people you sure are an age bigot aren't you?
Of course your use of language, turns of phrase, and expectations speak to more than that. You appear to have a paternalist streak a mile or twelve wide when you expect deference to you, in part because of your age and station, and to "your women" as well. If someone does not show you that deference they are bad, uncouth, ill mannered, and thereby not a gentleman. Essentially because someone does not give you and yours proper sway and swath you take away their gentleman status, which is the first step towards emasculating someone, gendering them female, and ultimately them needing the warm paternalist protection that your false manners provide, all the while you talk trash about an entire generation of people that have been holding up the world economy while your people looted it. You can take your chivalry, your gentlemanly BS, your paternalism, and your hubris and ever so politely, graciously, and with all due deference to whomever you must show respect to in your anachronistic honor code and shove it so far up your own ass that you taste it. Because your form of manners is just another form of control that people like you try to impose on the masses.
And if the mods want to put me in a time out, feel free. Nothing I have said is worse than Draugnar trying to slip by another Boomer assault on my generation. Fuck him and all who think like him. To quote Billy Idol's band Generation X "Cause what you give it is what you get.....Your Generation don't mean a thing to me." Not only is the haughty, high minded, and morally bankrupt ignorance that comes from his mouth offensive but it is also the same shit that sets feminists off and makes men's rights activists that are not sexist look like shitheads. Because at the end of the day in his warped reality women must have doors held for them as they are incapable of it and all men below his station must show him deference. But because he is a man, an old man that expects the world to bend to his whim because of when he was born, he infantilizes everyone and turns them into good child that stays quiet at the table, bad child that dares to act outside his norms, or woman that is frail and must be coddled. :
- Re: Replacement Needed
I would also be willing if PT does not get the spot for some reason. :
- Re: Rwanda: rogue state
While I certainly oppose Rwanda's support of M23 and I have long since given up the hope that Rwanda would not involve themselves in this mess this is larger than a Rwanda and Congo problem. Many authors have described the previous conflict(s) in eastern Congo as Africa's World War. There were so many nations getting involved that the whole thing looked like it could end up setting half the continent on fire if it kept going at its old pace. Thucydides you are correct, Rwanda is absolutely the Israel of Africa, and the West and the UN caused it. France supported the Genocidaires/Hutu extremists during the Rwandan Genocide of 1994. America backed France's play by not stopping it and then provided more help to the displaced in Goma (a large number of them of the military and militia groups that perpetrated the Genocide, and the rest largely controlled by them) than it did in Rwanda. The war crimes trials were not held in Rwanda but in Arusha, in part as I recall due to the complete lack of infrastructure in Rwanda post 1994. Rwanda itself could barely hold trials for the grunt level Genocidaires and those that found ancillary ways to profit from the chaos and insanity due to a total societal collapse post Genocide, post Civil War, post refugee crisis.
With all this it is no surprise that Rwanda is doing this. It is, in effect, a Tutsi nation, demographics be damned. And this is just like the abused child growing up to be the abuser. Every time we (as a planet, as civilized nations, as the First World, etc.) don't fully step in to stop a Genocide we risk this happening.
Don't get me wrong, we need to stop this. We needed to stop it a decade ago. I am no apologist for Rwanda, far from it. No matter what my level of knowledge on Rwanda and the 1994 Genocide is I cannot condone them doing the same thing to others. It is horrific. But by the same token we created this mess as much as Rwanda itself did. We did not step up when we should have in the West. We want a less brutal world, but we are not willing to fight for it. We want a world where people are not destabilizing nations, and coming close to destabilizing continents or large swaths of them, but we have not the spine to step up. This is another chance for the West to show what it is made of. And I am sure again we will fail, falter, and half step.
Look no further than who sits on the US Holocaust Memorial sponsored committee designed to identify and stop genocides to see that we, as a nation don't take stopping genocide seriously. Former Secretaries Cohen and Albright co-chair that committee. Cohen was not Secretary of Defense during the Rwandan Genocide, and Albright was still US ambassador to the UN at that point, not Secretary of State, but both still had enough pull to do something. I have no idea what Cohen did or did not do then, but I do know what Albright did, not much. Since leaving office when not acting like they care about stopping genocide they like to take money from the Turkish government to deny the Armenian Genocide that occurred during World War 1. These people have zero reason to be on a committee about stopping genocide, though Albright should be called before one early and often as a case study in what not to do. Our priorities are absolutely backwards here in the US on this issue and they always have been. :
- Re: EOG Gun 1001
Good times. I am shocked that I survived it. Thanks for a fun game everyone. :