Check the help page, and read the rules so you don't break any rules by mistake. But no, lying is not against the rules.

Um...A lie is, by definition, dishonest....

There are a lot of people that feel that lying in this game is immoral and it goes against their personal beliefs. I don't see it in this game. Everyone has (or should have) the mind-set that nearly everyone in the game is going to try to deceive them at one point and they will stab for personal gain. To that end, I see no problem lying, because people expect that it will happen. It's sort of like playing Catan and not using the robber to steal. It's part of the game, people expect it.

How far you can go is entirely up to the make-up of the lie, the board, and how much the person being lied to buys into it. I've earned solos off of lies before. It's all in the lie and the timing.

Just remember one key thing: if you allow yourself to be lied to and stabbed, you deserved it. That's what I use to bounce back from a harsh defeat. A large part of being duped falls on your own plate.

Thanks for the input :-) yeah, I guess dishonesty and lies goes hand in hand. But is it in the game element dishonest ? Telling a lie or feeling a dagger cutting deep, I guess it is how a man takes it.

The game reflects the world inwhich we live
Honesty & Dishonesty is an interesting part of Human interaction.
for example if we were always honest, there'd be a lot more tears before bedtime
around the world.
Crikey mate, no matter how fat you womans arse gets just remember that in conversation with her it's never fat-----unless it's so bloomin fat that it's such a blatant lie
but still never admit it, is my tip.

on that topic, if you'd read some of my more promiscuous posts you'd know that an intelligent chap tends not to find himself in the position in the first place.
i have a lot of respect for my brother in law. he has my sister training and competing in triathalons, she just did Hawaii for the 3rd time & managed a top 10 finish in her age group. she could crack walnuts with her arse.

so never admit a partner has a fat arse, just manage it so she gets it in the best possible shape by swimming 10 or 20 km a week.
i digress.


i think it's impossible to be 100% truthful 100% of the time in a dip game
It's up to each player to decide how much honesty to use, how much disingenuity to use, how much slippery practice, and how much outright deceit and when and with which oother players

if your word is worthless to all the other players after 3 or 4 moves you are probably stuffed in that game, you'll end up isolated in the alliance dances.

mind you as this is a social media site and a gaming site, & i am a keen observer of human behaviours, i think it is quite acceptable to lie and deceive to the nth degree, if that is what "rings your bell"

I use this example, imagine some poor schmucko, stuck by wife, kids & debt into enduring some job where he has to be completely honest, has to suck up to a bunch of much richer, more powerful people than he, and obey their every command and request
no matter how ridiculous.

Now if he gets a few hours a day of escape by playing this game and he can have the player name eqivalent of "omnipotent god of war" and he gets to lie and cheat, steal sc's, hand out gratuitous insults ( within the accepted rules, so no cheating allegations, but anyone can call me an old harlot with no morals and an evil countenance and deform'd body and i will respond similarly, or however i choose within the accepted "codes" of behaviour. ) then that is fine with me.

If it gives our schmucko an outlet for pent up emotions, then all the better, we don't want him bottling it all up until one day he cracks, blows the family away, wifes fat arse and all,
then sends the Bank / stockbroking office etc up in smoke and bloodshed.

the previous post had a good point about your responsibility to be sceptical,
"caveat emptor", let the buyer be wary, is a very old legal principle,
the buyer of goods or services has a responsibility to ensure they meet the standard he expects. The seller is not obliged to reveal fault.
This is not axiomatically true without exception.
A seller cannot ignore his responsibilties. So for example there is what are known as disclosure requirements and these usually arise from failure to warn of a known danger
being an act of wilful negligence.

as the "contracts" for exchange of money, good and services are more serious than
verbal contracts in a dip game the analogy has it's flaws, but i hope you get something from my advice

don't let yourself be wide open to a doublecross, think about the way you deploy your units

good luck, and remember, you can always trust me, don't ever trust that extremely naughty Draugnar, ( Draugnar the Deceiver ) his promiscuity knows no limits,
and the threat is on your other flank !

"My apple trees will never get across.
And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.
He only says, 'Good fences make good neighbors'."
- Robert Frost, 'Mending Wall'
. . . if that helps any.

Nobody plays this game as a political diplomat. You aren't here to express the interests of what is right in your country. You're here to win, and while I try not to do so, sometimes it takes a brutally coldhearted stab of someone that you've known and trusted throughout that game and in others as well.

Ok, doctor House is right after all; "Everybody lies". It is I think, in this game, the beauty and the beast in how to bring the lie...politicians can bring stuff beautifully and a thief brutally...depends on what you want to be :-) but I will try to play a game truthfully and see what happens. A woman's but however is a whole different dip game

We sit down with a group of people to play a game an inherently agree to play by the rules. (virtually sit down in this case) if it was a board game you could cheat by moving the units too far or misinterpreting the rules of the adjudication, these things are not possible with webdip; Here we expect some behaviour from the other players.

That might be to have 'fun' or to win or to play 'honestly'

Some people attempt to play with no lies, as an 'honourable' player. And i think this makes their game a little harder, but i may be wrong. I often tell people the truth even when it is nasty, but i digress. However the 'honourable' play, they must expect those playing for fun or victory to lie to them (and they may retaliate in-game)

But outside of the game, there is very little question of a moral failing. You agree to play by the rules, you hopefully had fun, you didn't ruin the experience for anyone else by quitting early or cheating in some way...

Expect that you will be lied to, enjoy attempting to tell which words are truths/half-truths and which are lies...

Personally, I play for fun. Doing hard things is fun, thus i like to solo, likewise soloing withiut lying is very hard, thus i might like to try that sometime aswell.

Good luck! And have fun!

And the unwritten rule, don't discuss ongoing games on the forum

Lies are part of the game. Lies by omission, or by careful manipulation of language are better, because then you didn't lie!

Never ask if someone 'could' support a move for you - if they 'yes' they might just be acknowledging that such support is possible..

Me thinks the Major has an obsession with me and butts. But so long as he doesn't have an obsession with my butt...

Yeah, lying is part of the game. Some people don't like it, others do it sproadically. You do it too much and you get a rep and no one ever trusts you. I probably lie a bit too much on occasion but have been trying to cut back on that. However, the alternative is often to say nothing which is a tell in and of itself. The quiet diplomat is about to stab. So lying to keep them off their guard can be a necessity for the truly successful dip player.

And as Pete U points out, it's all in the language. Saying "that soudns like a plan" and then not going with it isn't a lie. Saying "Let's do ti." and then not doing it is. I do the former all the time. I try to avoid the latter unless pressed for an absolute response. And I always press for an absolute response so I can at least act offended and pissed off. I expect to be lied to so don't give a fuck if it happens, but I'll raise such a stink and make the liar pay on public press so that no one trusts him and they all trust me. that's just good common sense.

Always be aware that one man's idea of honour can differ wildly from another. I personally have a deep hatred of the "careful manipulation of language" concept, and it takes a great deal of will power for me not to dedicate a good few years of the game trying to wipe out the miserable cretin who dares try it. A good, honest straightforward lie, on the other hand, doesn't annoy me at all if used to good effect.

Good to know, Act. Of course, I have to know it's you to use it against you. :-)

Oct, not Act

I feel I should point out to any keen observers that, fortunately for me, I have exceptional will power and have never let the lack of annoyance caused by a lie prevent me from taking appropriate action ;)

Lying is part of the game, Period.

Well... so is telling the truth.

It would be interesting to have a varient/one off special in which all players are forbidden from telling the truth at any time. It would probably have to be public press, but it has the potential to be fun. It could be called the Putin varient :)

^ i would SO join that game :D

Thanks for all the input! Ha, ha, I guess you can write books about this topic.
How would a Buddist play this game?

I try my best to lie only when the payoff is worth it - when the person you lie to can't recover. I don't stay honest out of some moral code, but rather because I feel this line maximizes my personal gain.

I suspend moral rules for the purposes of games like this one, in other words, I believe that it's not immoral to deceive if you're playing a game in which all the players accept that others are using deception as a strategy.

Once I played the game "Mafia" with a person who believed it was morally wrong to lie, even in a game like that (which, obviously, is COMPLETELY about lying). It made the entire game retarded - you could just ask her "Are you in the Mafia?" If she said "No," you were 100% certain she wasn't. If she said "I won't answer that?" it was obvious you needed to kill her. The game depends on uncertainty as to who is telling the truth, so once we figured out that was her position it made it impossible to play.