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Zmaj (215 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
EOG: Three blind mice
gameID=87554
A four-way draw.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
Daily non-bible reading
Explore: http://www.livescience.com/19972-atheism-belief-god-countries-ranked.html?utm_source=Marleybonez-via-twitter

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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
29 Apr 12 UTC
A heart warming story of Amanda.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17069980
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
EoG: Pinky and the Brain-4
gameID=87500

Congratulations to NigeeBaby!
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2ndWhiteLine (2736 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
NFL Draft GIF Reactions
AKA the best thing I've ever seen on the interblag.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
Images of death
Morality/appropriateness of showing images of death - pictures of corpses, or videos of people dying. Thoughts?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Apr 12 UTC
THIS Is Awful...Autistic Kid Bullied to Tears By School Staff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfkscHt96R0&feature=player_embedded

I'm sorry, but that's just awful...thankfully one of those involved was fired, but another was just reassigned, and still gets to teach--that's just despicable, treating any kid like that as a teacher's just inexcusable, but what sort of creep bullies an autistic kid to tears like that?
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DILK (1539 D)
28 Apr 12 UTC
EoG: Best Gunboat Ever
gameID=87462
This is one for the ages. I am partially guilty, as I NMR my first turn, but wow everything after.For years everyone had a cancel up, except for Germany, Russia, and Austria. Then France misses a whole year, comes back, then NMRs for years. Russia CDs in 1906, and once Austria gets down to 1 unit he puts up a draw vote. So we are down to Turkey, Germany, and Italy. And Germany won't draw.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
27 Apr 12 UTC
Space Invader Challenge - Gunboat for Beginners
If you tick the box and fancy it please add your name below...
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D(B))
24 Apr 12 UTC
EOG - ABIC-G2
gameID=76751

I'll probably put up a final say somewhere this week. Thanks again you all for an enjoyable game!
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Freddafred (100 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
How can you view a whole PM?
How can you read PM's other than the homepage where it doesn't show the entire pm.
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Vikesrussel (839 D)
26 Apr 12 UTC
This is a question more for an Admin.
I teach History for a High School. We play this game on the old board games. I know you get banned for multi accounts, but if you use the accounts for School purpose for only school purpose. Each team will have there own personal group, but will be run by me as the teacher. The computer is much faster to work then using paper.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
28 Apr 12 UTC
TRAPPED IN BASED^3WORLD
Good game! Glad we got a full game in. Czech - you came on so quick, I was not expecting that. Good try. Austria - thanks for a good alliance, and for being cooperative at the end. Russia - Nice work hanging in there.
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Le panto (226 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
One for you, the rest for me - sitter wanted please
Hi - i need to get out of the game I'm playing. I doubt that I'll be able to re-join anytime soon so I'm looking for someone to take over to completion. I've no idea (other than the suggestion to ask for a sitter) of how to do this. The game is a 3 day turnaround - and I'm playing Germany. Can someone help?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
28 Apr 12 UTC
Black & Scholes - a recipe for financial disaster
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17866646
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
28 Apr 12 UTC
MOD HELP NEEDED PLEASE
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
28 Apr 12 UTC
Gunboat for the Big Boys EOG
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krellin (80 DX)
27 Apr 12 UTC
Octomom....Liberalism at it's FINEST
http://gma.yahoo.com/video/celebs-26594247/octomom-interview-exclusive-we-were-set-up-regarding-disturbing-photos-29092215.html

Yes...a Vagina ALL of us could crawl up inside together and play a game inside....Enabled by Liberalism's finest policies...
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Hannibal1 (0 DX)
27 Apr 12 UTC
Star Wars
I'm planning on watching the star wars saga, but i don't now where to start from. I've watched bits and pieces of some episodes, but never a whole movie. And i do know that Darth Vader is the father of Luke or something like that
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
27 Apr 12 UTC
TRAPPED IN BASEDWORLD
lol who was who? I was starting to enjoy it.
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Invictus (240 D)
26 Apr 12 UTC
South China Sea
http://oilandglory.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/04/25/it_may_only_smell_like_oil_and_fish_on_the_south_china_sea

Another interesting take on the dispute.
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Yonni (136 D(S))
27 Apr 12 UTC
Replacement needed for Triathlon
Someone has decided that they can no longer commit to the tournament and need to be replaced. Do we have any volunteers? Currently, we are in the middle of playing a FP and a PP game.
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santosh (335 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
JC Bryan Invitational Rematch EOG
gameID=84091 - Nice endgame. Great defence, Dudlajz.
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Freddafred (100 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
Join
Please join jame Join it starts in 8 minutes.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
26 Apr 12 UTC
What really caused the Eurozone crisis?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16301630
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krellin (80 DX)
25 Apr 12 UTC
If I Wanted America to Fail...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZ-4gnNz0vc

Thought provoking...
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krellin (80 DX)
27 Apr 12 UTC
@Orthaic....I don't "attack" "climate change" I REJECT THE WHOLE FUCKING NOTION. Less than a lifetime ago, I was taught by THE SAME SCIENTISTS to fear a new ICE AGE. You are stupid enough to believe the *same* group of environmental *extremsists* that now say..."Sorry, we were wrong...it's not a man-made Ice Age...it's a Man Made Global Flood (which, if you said happened in the Bible they would claim is IMPOSSIBLE....just saying....)....And in EVERY CASE (global ice age vs global warming) the answer is ALWAYS less progress, less industry...."

You climate extremists are ignorant foolish, ill-informed ass-munches. I've spent 30 years listening to you hysteria. BY NOW....according to the leftist climate extremists...the world was supposed to be near dead....humanity was supposed to have been ravished by disease and starvation and reduced to literally less than a million people....And yet YOU morons STILL BELIEVE these SAME idiots...

Yeah...Kevin Kostner got it right in water world....so plant yourself an orange tree in a smal pot so you can be rich beyond your dreams, because we are killing the world.....

Or get a grip, and observe reality....
Sylence (313 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
Well, there is not really a paradox in there - there can be processes going on both towards what by itself would lead to "ice age", and other processes leading to warming.
It is quite hard NOT to imagine that human industry is changing the ecosystem of the planet.
Of course, you can have the opinion that this matters not, or that the man-made changes are good.
It is a BIG responsibility. Will you take it, Krellin?
Sylence (313 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
And have we been seeing any of this "less progress"?
How powerful have the "leftist climate extremists" been?
Are there less cars on the American roads, less goods in the shops now? Do people in america eat less now than fifty years ago? Have less of this or that? Computers for example?
orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
'I don't "attack" "climate change" I REJECT THE WHOLE FUCKING NOTION.'

yes, you choose to ignore the conversation, and go on a rant. I choose to more directly ignore your tangent.

You attack the premise rather than arguing about it. Compeltely off-topic, and as i've already said, i will not discuss this with you in this thread.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
'2. The earth is **still** producing oil....I mean....why would it NOT be???'

fair point, but at what rate? does that rate depend on the amount of plant and animal material being depositing in the ground? is that rate falling aswell - and more importantly, is that rate not dramatically LOWER than current rates of use?

Give me figures, or go imagine some.... like the 4.6 billion years the planet has existed, i guess the accumulated oil deposits are only from the past 2 billion years, but i might be off by a factor or so. What does your imagination lack?
orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
'Or get a grip, and observe reality....'

Just because science can correct it's initial assumption doesn't mean it is not observing reality.
Sylence (313 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
There sure are many theories and "visions" out there, that this or that will happen with the world and sure, a lot of it is hysterical ranting.
So, I sympathize to a great length with Krellins exasperation... If they all were right the world would have been dead many times over by now.

Well, on the other hand we might acknowledge that since there is so much bustle all over the world, so much invention, and development of this and that, there will be even so many risks and dangers.
So if every group bring up their "favourite" risk and danger, it might seem as a hysterical cacophony.
Unfortunately it doesn't mean that many of them, or most of them are not right
orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
'Do people in america eat less now than fifty years ago? Have less of this or that? Computers for example?'

Less than what?

Less than 50 years ago? no,

Less than we might have had if we'd exploited all the resources on the earth right now? Yes. Definitely.

Less than if we might have had if f we'd exploited all the resources on the earth a decade ago? No. Probably not.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
'so much invention, and development of this and that, there will be even so many risks and dangers.
So if every group bring up their "favourite" risk and danger, it might seem as a hysterical cacophony.
Unfortunately it doesn't mean that many of them, or most of them are not right'

I'd like to use a favourite quote for that - 'Problems are inevitable; problems are soluble'
krellin (80 DX)
27 Apr 12 UTC
@Orthaic....well, libs claim we are about to run out of oil....and yet we constantly find new,m bigger-than-ever deposits. So...I think the burden of proof lies with the moronic liberals that claim we will run out of oil any day now, even though there is *zero* evidence to support that claim.

That evidence in part lies in the notion that oil companies are amongst the purest of capiatlist/free market adventures...and, if they thought they were about to run out of revenue, wouldn't these companies be investing in alternative methods of PROFIT...and PROFIT is the ONLY reason these companies exist. So...these pure evil entities, that are raping the world for profit....are also, incredibly, so stupid they don't realize they are about to lose all their power and profits?

OR.....perhaps they KNOW they have oil for year and years and years beyond what YOU have been led to believe...but they LET you believe the end of oil is eminent in order to rape you at the fuel pump?

After all...YOU are the one that says oil companies are evil...and if they are...then the *logical* action for an evil oil company is to rape you for all you are worth....which can ONLY be accomplished by raising oil prices AND....AND...AND....NOT spending money uin ***unncessary** alt energy resources to keep their profits when oil disappears.

Oil is here to stay *long* after all you moron are dead.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
'well, libs claim we are about to run out of oil....and yet we constantly find new,m bigger-than-ever deposits.'

the claim is actually that we are running out BECAUSE the amount we are finding is getting smaller. That we will eventually hit a peak, and it may not be clear when that is. Do you know when peak oil will hit?

I mean this is regardless of the environmental question. And i don't know why you think it's a liberal issue. It is one of reality.

I honestly don't know how much oil has ever been discovered or how much is still in the ground. Though regardless of the current amount, the easiest to find and exploit were the resources which we exploited first (the low-hanging fruit being the first to be picked) Thus the COST to exploit these new finds will continue to rise (and demand will continue to pay this cost)

And no i never claimed that an oil company was evil. That's kinda in your head, like a lot of weird notions.

Sure, if the oil companies think they can con you into paying more (i don't go to a gas pump, as i my bike doesn't use petrol :) ) that's great for them. But there will inevitably be a peak. The question is when.

'Oil is here to stay *long* after all you moron are dead. '

Em, will the magic pixie faries make it for you?
Sylence (313 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
The "companies"... well, I am not an economist, but corporations own each other in an intricate web, so surely it matters not if you run an "oil company" it doesn't keep you from investing whatever revenue this activity brings in, into any other branch - cannabis and psychedelic music for example - and vice versa.
So you can keep on drilling as long as it is profitable any surplus profits can go to investments in totally different fields that are in a more expansive phase.

The companies aren't "incredibly stupid" when it comes to making "power and profits", no.
But they care nothing, by default, about raping the world.

As said, I'm not an economist, but ain't I right here, my dear fellow morons?
greysoni (160 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
Well, specifically, they care about their next quarterly profits. If they don't CEO's lose their jobs. It's set up to make them short sighted.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
here shell admits (in at least one scenario) that oil will become harder to find and more expensive to extract: http://www.shell.com/home/content/aboutshell/our_strategy/shell_global_scenarios/scenarios_videos/video/

so, while they may have invested in renewable in the past ( http://www.environmentalleader.com/2009/03/18/shell-scales-back-renewable-energy-investments/ ) they still seem to back the idea that renewables will take over from fossil fuels, at least in the long term (ie by 2050)
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
I'm not sure I understand the "while" in your last sentence, orathaic. Those two things seem compatible to me.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
http://www.overthinkingit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/rs-500-us-oil-production1.jpg

peak oil in the US was about 1970 - but this graph is very bad, because the oil supply [range] is from 1.5 -> 3.5 (million x 1,000 barrels of crude)

Why would anyone assume global supply will not follow a similar curve?
krellin (80 DX)
27 Apr 12 UTC
OMG....yes...OH MY...we are about to run out of oil ANY DAY NOW....OH MY!!!!!


Thank GOD all the liberals and environmentalists - the TRUE believers that fossils fuels are a limited resource....have STOPPED USING THEM.'


"WHEW!" <wipes the sweat off my brow...> I mean...if only the fools like me use fossil fuels, and Al Gore and all the morons on web dip use"renewables"....then all should be OK. (Of course...the renewables generally cost more in fossil fuels to produce than they gain...but who cares...)....

Yes....we will run out of energy in out life time....but the liberals won't get off the internet, and won't stop driving their cars.

HYPOCRITES.

***IF*** you believed half the shit you said, you would NOT be wasting precious fossil fuel (because where do you think the power comes from at your home???) to run your computer? You would TURN OFF the computer, instad of killing the earth.

Hypocrites.

THIS is why I think ALL of you leftist fools are full fo shit....because you tell ME to get rid of MY energy waste....but will not get rid of your OWN INDULGENCES.


Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
Krellin, Krellin, we don't need to sit down and talk rationally about climate change again, do we?
krellin (80 DX)
27 Apr 12 UTC
No....unless you want to also talk about ghost and god and the easter bunny
orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
Have you ever considered that you might be wrong about something?
Octavious (2732 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
You do believe a lot of tosh, krellin :p. I am always amazed that an issue so simple has become so complicated.

Fossil fuels will last for another few hundred years at least. There's plenty of coal out there, and rather a lot of oil and gas in various forms. Sadly most of the easy to get oil has gone, which is one of the reasons it's so damned expensive these days. It will still however provide cheaper energy than that from renewables for many years to come.

Renewables are a bit of a mess. They are all relatively expensive (some painfully so) and often come with amusing drawbacks. Burning wood and other biomass is great, but takes up far too much space, wind turbines only work when its windy and currently depend on a load of highly polluting rare earth minerals to make them work, hydroelectric dams destroy a load of landscape, cost a fortune, and release so much methane into the atmosphere from rotting veg it's just silly etc etc etc. Promoting them as if they are the silver bullet that can save us is optermistic at best.

Add to the mix the fact that even if CO2 emmisions were cut hugely (which frankly seems unlikely) climate change will carry on as there is plenty of it in the atmosphere already.

Indeed, the difference in predictions for the planet between things carrying on as they are and major cuts in carbon are really very small. It is time to face the reality that we can't stop the cause of the planet's ills so we would do far better to find a cure or at least a way of adapting. Crippling western industry my cutting fossil fuels too soon will not help us do either.
Sylence (313 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
You're beautiful, Krellin!
I mean it. I like it you've got attitude.
I'd walk with you a long way, almost to the finishing line. I sure'd rather walk a mile with you than with any middle-class academician high-falutin leftist windbag piping political correctica. Or swing a pint... or why not share a bowl of organic salad? (You like salad, don't you? Why wouldn't you? For political reasons?)

Will there come a day when we will see "rightist" and "leftist" combine?
Perhaps then we could be doing some politics in stead of merely talking.

When we have the uprightness and courage to display and stand for your own feelings and reactions, and at least the WILL to be a man with a responsibility, worthy respect for what he is, and care for what goes on in his immediate presence - a "rightist"
COMBINED
with the knowledge and the ability for systematic study of the "leftist"...

Kind of the challenge to combine heart and mind. Heart without mind is naïve and becomes a danger in the ancient world and a dupe in the modern world (can become a danger now too - Breivik).
Mind without heart, what's that - a dupery even more thorough that goes even to the core of the central nervous system - the robot behaviour that will be the doom of the planet. Compared with this a redneck with a shotgun is a symbol of true humanity and life.

To say something to my own case:
I didn't have Internet until 2009. I never had TV of my own, still don't have car, mobile phone and what not of gear and gadgets for to prop up Yer Decrepitousness,
I don't *want* any of it.
I live in a modern welfare society. Lot's of people around. I like human beings (I suppose it is pretty natural, being one myself, and I like myself pretty good).
But I can tell you it gat lonesome walking the asphalt under the sky seeing the hybrid-robots clad in steel(cars) at least semi-inlogged, heads crackling of info flashing through the global ether, minds living in a media-universe (perhaps webdip at best).

Who's an alien? Me among the infomedia-robots, or them aliens to reality for real?
Word is up against word, and... though I must say after a couple of beers at least, the humanity still usually overpowers the roboticity in most men and it will creep forth that they would rather be on my side of the line... Still, come Monday I'm a Sylent Mynority.

Here I am now after having some health flaws...

And I have a good hope there are a few here who might be of good understanding of what I'm getting at. Orathaic, Greysoni, Octavious... Just to mention a few signatures as I recall from this thread. And Krellin himself might not say no to an invitation to have some organic salad with us, eh? (There'll be organic after-births too) ;D
Fasces349 (0 DX)
27 Apr 12 UTC
Krellin, I hate to break it to you, but Ora is right, one of the most important rules in economics is that incentives work.

In a cap and trade system, companies have the incentive to lower carbon, and they do. In Europe cars are more fuel efficient then north america, because energy is so expensive in Europe, there was an incentive for fuel efficiency and the result was better fuel efficiency.


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Sargmacher (0 DX)
26 Apr 12 UTC
PjTrooBobSEDilkRokoSarg EOG
gameID=86136

Fun game! (Although I don't feel like I did much) Very well played Germany, Troo! DILK, thanks for drawing and Roka, you were good competition in that game and thanks for working with me towards the end to stop Germany!
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Le panto (226 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
How can i leave a game?
I need to leave a game but dont want to CD. How does the mechanism work to find someone to take over - and what happens to the points i bet / currently have? Thanks
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krellin (80 DX)
27 Apr 12 UTC
Biden Declares "Obama has a Bid Stick"
Eeeee gads.....ALL my suspicions are concerned. I *do* envy black men....

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/biden-president-has-big-stick/504561
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King Atom (100 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
Lights
I wanna be in my city when they go down.
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