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obiwanobiwan (247 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Favorite (Short) Poems? (And Perhaps We Can Put A Few Of Our Own?)
I think we did this a while back, where we posted different things we'd written...and I've definitely had a "Top ___ Works Ever" thread (or two or four or four thousand) before...
So here they are combined--favorite short poems (ie, no Iliad/Paradise Lost/The Waste Land, good as they are, they're longer poems and in another category) and, for the brave...perhaps we can get a Poetry Corner going? :)
obiwanobiwan (247 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
I post this for three reasons, right now:

1. I like the topic (obviously) and we haven't had a good literary discussion in a while, sharing our favorites and all...plus, given how spread across the map (especially in the Americas and Europe) we are, I'd be interested what some outside the US and possibly UK might consider great work...perhaps Keats and Eliot and Poe aren't so beloved in the Balkans, Almighty Balkan World Cup Team? ;)

2. I'm transferring in a few short weeks (finally!) so I'm really thinking and choosing between time periods and authors, now, to study in-depth my first semester...

3. I said I'd try and get something published before I left my community college, and I've made good on that promise to myself--I submitted a short poem to a poetry magazine...and while I don't expect it at all to get accepted, as this is a REAL literary magazine, even still, at least I can say I tried, and will keep trying...and if I get rejected, hey, I can still say I was rejected by the same magazine that accepted T.S. Eliot's poetry, so at least there's that, and it should be easier and less of a racking experience next time I try... :)

So, favorite short poems?
Vaftrudner (2533 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
1. There is unfortunately a language barrier here. I know a lot of great Swedish poetry, but I don't know if any of it is translated (well). I can try to look up some stuff, but translating poetry is the most difficult translation work, if at all possible. I write poetry as well, and I managed to get a book published, a cooperation with an artist I know, half poems and half drawings. I've tried to translate my own work but it doesn't work. It relies too much on Swedish.

In English poems, I always return to The Second Coming. It's become like a refrain for me, and lines from it pop up in my head at the oddest of times. The same with Howl and America by Ginsberg, but those aren't short in any way ;)

Good luck with your own writing! I hope you don't get your heart ripped out and stomped on, but that seems to be mandatory.
obiwanobiwan (247 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Anyway, my Top 5 favorite short poems:

-"She Walks In Beauty" by Lord Byron

It's just such a perfect and potent poem...I really don't even know how else to describe it without going on and on about it, but just those opening lines alone...

-"Sonnet 30" by William Shakespeare

Yeah, you knew he'd be on the list...though if you've never read this one, check it out, it's my favorite of his sonnets, at this stage, anyway, I really like the topic and how he approaches it and resolves the matter in the end, I try and remember it when I feel down about someone...

"The Raven" by Edgar Allen Poe

Enough said, moving on...

"Rhapsody on a Windy Night" by T.S. Eliot

TWL and Prufrock are too long, and they're the two big works of Eliot's I love, but his shorter works are great, too, and this one's a great poem on memory and lives lived and all that...and the only redeemable thing that came out of "Cats"--not a fan of that musical, half for it being too pretentious for even me, and half for it mucking about with Eliot's poetry in an over-stylized and theatrical way--is that the song "Memory," which in fairness is a decent song by itself, brings some of the best lines in this poem to life.

"Ode on a Grecian Urn" by John Keats

I have a friend who's in love with Keats...and this poem, and it is a masterpiece, and the end line probably one of the most poignant and puzzling in all poetry, Eliot himself said it either ruined the poem to some extent or else he just couldn't get ...

"Beauty is truth, truth beauty..."
obiwanobiwan (247 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
@Vaft:

I hope there's a good translation out there somewhere...I don't know any Swedish poetry, or authors, really, I think (I know Ibsen, but he was Norwegian.)

And I don't expect to have it accepted so I don't think it'll be a heart-grinding moment when it's rejected...my friends liked it, but they're friends--

Enemies are truer than friends when it comes to critiquing what you write.

(So if maple shows up, he can truthfully tell me what utter tripe it is!) ;)
obiwanobiwan (247 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Oh crap...I got carried away trying to make that last sentence sound all alliterative with all the t's...

And now I definitely look like an idiot poser (at least more than usual) for using "tripe" and not being English. XD
LanGaidin (1509 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
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Here is my own poetry in honor of all you bastards that got me addicted to Diplomacy and the subsequent drinking problems that has led to. =P

An Ottoman Alcoholic and Diplomacy:

The game's begun, I need a drink
A glass of wine I start to think
A Tuscan wine sounds good to me
So I'm off to conquer Italy.

That Sangiovese hit just the spot.
But quenched my thirst, I think not.
A nice Bandol from Provence.
So now I'm off to ransack France.

Now wine is good for most affairs
But too much gets me nasty stares
So ale will fill my tummy well
It's England next in line to fell.

I think it's time for something stronger
Though I'm not sure I'll last much longer
It's off to Oktoberfest I go
The Germans I must overthrow.

Beer then liquor makes you sicker
To that I just sit and snicker
Vodka shots, I'll take them straight
The Russians I will subjugate

To Austria I now must trek
One last country left to check
On invitation of the Duke
But wait, I think I have to puke.



With love, from Austria

My allies from both near and far
Please come to rescue me
Do I truly know who my allies are
In this game, Diplomacy?

For autumn past fair Italy
Was neither friend nor foe
But now their fleets are near my sea
To war? I do not know.

And Turkey, why ‘twas just last spring
In battle we did join
Quick death to Russia we did bring
And to them, brought their ruin.

Yet now both to my right and left
The Turks and Romans lie
I think unless I am quite deft
I shall be next to die.

Sargmacher (0 D X)
14 Apr 12 UTC
"and the subsequent drinking problems that has led to" lol!

+1 for the poem, I'm guessing you wrote it yourself?
LanGaidin (1509 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Yes... it was one of those rare moments of inspiration.
semck83 (229 D (B))
14 Apr 12 UTC
lol, that's awesome LG. Well done.

I agree about Grecian Urn, obi. Incredible poem, and incredible line. For the heck of it, though, I'll choose different ones. These are not ranked in any order, except that the first is my favorite:

1) "Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard," by Thomas Gray. Simply epic in every way. The best poem in English?

2) "Love and Age," by Thomas Love Peacock. Great at capturing the bittersweetness of passing time.

3) "Intimations of Immortality from Recollections of Early Childhood," by William Wordsworth. Beautiful and profound.

4) "A Channel Crossing," by Rupert Brooke. Hilarious.

5) "The Last Ride Together," by Robert Browning.

There are tons more I'd love to put but I'll show restraint. :-)
krellin (21 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Most of it is pretentious nonsense....and most lover's of poetry I find simply like what they have been instructed to like by their professors...(eh hem...OBI...cough cough...) Nothing unique or insightful here...move along...move along...
Not as good as Lan's, which i love, but this was something i did a few years ago, just putting it up to try and encourage the trend :)

If lightning strikes
and our wives are weeping
while we are
forever sleeping
How will we hear death's bell toll?

When we fall down
to never rise
what will we see
With incorporeal eyes?

When we are dead
our bodies gone
is there a way
That we live on?

And when you know
where we go
is it too late
To tell your fate?
iMurk789 (100 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Stopping By Woods on a Snowy Evening by Robert Frost

The Raven by Edgar Allan Poe

The Tyger by William Blake

Those are just some I enjoy, I don't have a top 5 though.
S.E. Peterson (100 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
so much depends
upon

a red wheel
barrow

glazed with rain
water

beside the white
chickens

- William Carlos Williams
fiedler (897 D)
15 Apr 12 UTC
William Blake - Auguries of Innocence

http://www.artofeurope.com/blake/bla3.htm

Obi - you are going to publish your poem *here* first right?
C'mon - we deserve it!
obiwanobiwan (247 D)
15 Apr 12 UTC
The magazine won't consider anything that's been posted online before... :/

So, either I'll post it here when I get rejected...

Or if by some miracle I get it accepted...well, it'll be published and online anyway, then. ;)
Manas (818 D)
15 Apr 12 UTC
The road not Taken by Robert Frost
obiwanobiwan (247 D)
15 Apr 12 UTC
OH!

Shoot, and I forgot, maybe my favorite of all!

"The Lady of Shallot" by Alfred Lord Tennyson!

"Ulysses" is fantastic, too, but this...this is just somehow a perfect poem of...of rhyme and themes and old and new...it has my pre-Shakespeare favorite subject, the Arthurian Legend...

This, Sonnet 30, and either Ode on a Grecian rn or She Walks in Beauty, Top 3! :D
Zmaj (2287 D (B))
15 Apr 12 UTC
A sweet and sad poem by Houseman. Appropriately, it's a war poem. Citing from memory:

I didn't lose my heart in the summer's even,
When roses to the moonlight burst apart.
When plumes were under foot and lead was flying,
In blood and smoke and flame I lost my heart.

I lost it to a soldier, a foeman,
A chap that didn't kill me, but he tried;
He took the saber straight and took it striking,
And laughed, and kissed his hand to me, and died.
FieryPhoenix (227 D)
15 Apr 12 UTC
If by Rudyard Kipling
Or
The True Gentlman by John Walter Wayland
LanGaidin (1509 D)
15 Apr 12 UTC
If is a great one and i like Invictus.
LanGaidin (1509 D)
15 Apr 12 UTC
Ancient.. I like yours better, far more profound than a silly dip ditty:)
obiwanobiwan (247 D)
15 Apr 12 UTC
"If" is a good poem indeed...even if Kipling likely was a fascist and racist...
Putin33 (136 D)
15 Apr 12 UTC
Nachtgedanken - Heinrich Heine



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Gobbledydook (100 D (B))
14 Apr 12 UTC
Deutschland: how to play?
I am not very good at playing Germany at all, press or gunboat.
Tips?
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apem8 (1426 D)
15 Apr 12 UTC
Texastough
I want everyone to private message this guy as he was too rubbish to win when anyone else was playing so he didnt draw even though russia had helped nim all the way through (russia isnt me)
he is the worst type of player and nobody shud play with him ever again.
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Troodonte (1399 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
EOG of great gunboat game!!!
gameID=82957
What a game!!! We reached 1927!!!
I'll write something tomorrow...now I have to sleep.
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abgemacht (428 D (G))
11 Apr 12 UTC
Overheating in Ubuntu
So, that thread on Ubuntu made me want to try again on my laptop. I installed 11.10 and I have the same problem as before. On windows, my computer idles at 33-49degC. In Ubuntu, it idles around 82degC. What's with the 40degC increase? Thoughts?
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cspieker (8194 D)
15 Apr 12 UTC
EOG: Sabado Picante
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dubmdell (556 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
Postal Diplomacy
Vaftrudner had this amazing idea for the weirdest way to play Diplomacy ever. Seriously guys. Need six.
231 replies
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dubmdell (556 D)
15 Apr 12 UTC
Who would win in a gunboat between seven of yourself?
A fun little exercise that has been helping my play style recently was to learn what bias I have in game. So pull out your dip board and make what you think is the best gunboat opening for each power, then play each power to the best of your ability to win. Who wins? Who gets eliminated first?
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King Atom (84 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Well, I'm Back From Florida...
And somehow this seems relevant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00M7CojclWM&feature=related
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Putin33 (136 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
RIP Piermario Morosini
:(
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Troodonte (1399 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Photo and Video shooting
So anyone interested in photography an video?
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Barn3tt (37154 D)
13 Apr 12 UTC
Barn3tt's Bigger, Better and Badder Challenge
35 replies
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dD_ShockTrooper (1100 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
A Tribute to Nicolas Cage's *fine* acting talent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
2 replies
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Tolstoy (1977 D)
07 Apr 12 UTC
What is the point or purpose of (human) life?
Why am I alive?
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Gobbledydook (100 D (B))
14 Apr 12 UTC
EOG Enjoy to live game! 2.2
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=86128
7 replies
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Draqz (133 D)
13 Apr 12 UTC
replacing a player
we have a player that needs to dropout of the game, is there a way we can replace them without having to go into civil disorder?
2 replies
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pjmansfield99 (213 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
300 Point Gunboat
WTA 25hr, semi-anon gunboat
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Thucydides (965 D (B))
13 Apr 12 UTC
Interesting quiz, relates to white privilege thread
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/03/white-educated-and-wealthy-congratulations-you-live-in-a-bubble.html

I scored 40.
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Bob Genghiskhan (758 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
What's your favorite country for gunboat and why?
I'm curious which if any countries people prefer.
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Pacifier (100 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
votes
Hello all. Call me stupid but I have not found anything about it on the rulebook. What are the votes for and what do they mean ? Tks a lot.
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AncientMemories (174 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Replacement needed desperately
Pretty decent position of you come this turn,
gameID=84655
Well, okay not that amazon but the game is sunk unless someone comes
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abgemacht (428 D (G))
14 Apr 12 UTC
LoL
So, I've asked this before, but I thought I'd try again:
Anyone play LoL? If so, add me (same username).
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Lopt (100 D)
13 Apr 12 UTC
How the fuck did you know?!
I got ruined again, by SplitDiplomat, how the fuck he knows?!
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Lando Calrissian (0 D (S))
14 Apr 12 UTC
gameID=86042
EOG
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jichen (282 D)
11 Apr 12 UTC
Best convoys?
Wondering which games have had convoys that stood out for being either extremely long, decisive/critical in terms of gameplay, or unexpected. Would be interested in seeing!
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Chanakya. (645 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
EOG: gameID=86096 live anc med game.
I played very cautiously and allied to Egypt since the start of game and he was good towards me..I liked the game of Greece very mch..He was unpredictable..at some times...:)

In all a good game..
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ormi (100 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
game invitation
we need 12 more players here:http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=86025
if you want you can join us.
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dubmdell (556 D)
12 Apr 12 UTC
Help finding a thread
I'm sure some of you recall the embarrassing moments thread we had a few weeks ago? Well I have searched by google and by rote reading, page by page, and not found it. Neither did abgemacht, the sweetheart that he is, when he went searching. Any help locating it would be appreciated. I do not recall who started the thread.
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Yellowjacket (835 D (B))
14 Apr 12 UTC
Rule #34 Violation
Could it be?
10 replies
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Sargmacher (0 D X)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Love Shine a Light
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovD1ZY4XKy4

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