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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Dec 11 UTC
The Greatest Threat To Us All
The greatest danger to us all is the fear of failure.
It's that simple. Without failure to identify the errors individuals and society make total disaster becomes a real possibility.
Embrace failure because failure alone tells us where the edge of the cliff lies
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PowMacP (140 D)
23 Dec 11 UTC
World Map Winner takes all.
gameID=75629
3 days phase not to interfere with weekends although we can have it move to our own pace
All welcome
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WoodenSpork (100 D)
23 Dec 11 UTC
Players needed for Live Game Quick
NAME: silent quick game 15
we need 3 people to complete hurry while spaces last very very very fun game please join
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Zennith (0 DX)
23 Dec 11 UTC
Quick Game Now!
Get a game going here! Starts in 20!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75738
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
13 Dec 11 UTC
The World's smartest people=Americans
n U.S., Fear of Big Government at Near-Record Level
Proof positive Americans are the smartest people in the world.
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P-man (494 D)
23 Dec 11 UTC
Ten center Oz... Any takers?
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
12 Dec 11 UTC
MadMarx ABI-36 EoG's
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=69819
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
World Games Unwrapped
My thoughts on world games and what I’ve seen. I’m curious to see what everyone else thinks and has noticed.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
I’ve played in a few world games now and I’ve looking over a few dozen others in random players histories and I’ve come to a few conclusions. The interesting thing about them is they all eventually end up with a general arrangement. Unlike the normal games they are ruled by geography and by CD’s.
Here are the basic pattern’s I’ve noticed. Someone is going to come out on top in South America after outside interference. Occasionally it is Ghana or South Africa that influences this region, but typically it ends up being Quebec or the Unites States who has the greatest impact on this continent. The person who comes out on top in South America will peak between 12 and 17 supple centers unless they get very creative or manage to get some armies in Africa or NA immediately. It’s normally the South American power that ends up controlling a good portion of the Antarctic centers. If FA is not eliminated quickly he will end up in a draw at the end because FA accumulates fleets and has a spread out supple center region making it easy to take a few of his centers, but almost impossible to eliminate him once he reaches 6 or 7 centers.
An African power will either end up dominating the African continent, more often than not it is Kenya that comes out on top in this region, though occasionally you'll see 2 African powers split it down the middle and both end up in a draw. The dominate African power that has the greatest potential for a solo because to dominate Africa requires a large number of armies, between 5-10. Once a power secures Africa they can easily transport armies into Europe and Asia while leaving a strong circle of fleets to protect the coast centers. The unbalanced portion of this map is the ease with which an African power can get armies into Asia, compared to the extreme difficulty an Asian power can have entering Europe and Africa thanks to the narrow region of Iran, Kazakhstan and West Siberia. Since Africa, Asia and Europe’s concentrated centers combine for a total over 44 a power that gets off to an early start in this region doesn’t have to worry much about outside interference from the main North American and South American powers.
Russia/Europe/NE/and PR typically end up fighting too long to actually get any of the long term spoils. Though I’ve seen some wins where one of these countries will get off to an early start and end up with a secured spot in the draw. The best chance the Near East and India have in a game is cooperation and a mutual agreement to leave each other alone. These two countries have fairly poor starting positions so infighting will usually end with them both being some of the earliest eliminations. The Near East is one of the most important countries on the map in the long run because it’s his actions that will typically decide if an African power will be able to take control of the African continent fast enough to keep solo potential. Since African powers almost always head directly north after securing the continent it is in the Near East’s best interest to keep African countries in as much disarray as possible. As for Russia and PR, the mistake many players make is trying to take North American centers when they still have a fast growing African or Asian neighbor in the south. Anyone left to build armies and move them into African and Asia will end up in an end game scenario.
Either China or Oz will typically end up as the dominate naval power in the Pacific region assuming FA does not take over that role. Whoever ends up fulfilling this position normally ends up in the draw at the end of the game. It’s this “power” that makes it so difficult for a North or South American country to solo. A strong naval presence in the pacific forces a south/north American player to devote units to guarding the Western border of their control sphere.
North America usually ends in 1 dominate power with around 15 centers, but with much more opportunity to expand then South American powers. This is because the North American power usually has the opportunity to sneak into some European centers or even on occasion into African centers. The trio of North American powers seems to be the most balanced region from the initial start of the game which is why there is usually a few years of infighting which costs the winning power the chance at a solo.
The last part of World games, which is also the part with the biggest impact on the end game, is CD’s and NMR’s. This is a game with 17 people. 17! I have yet to see a world game without at least on CD or NMR. It is simply part of the game, and it’s the part that usually gives one player a huge advantage over his or her fellow players. This is why so many world games end in cancels and draws after 6 or 7 years. The players on this site have a choice. You can either choose to play in world games knowing that they will be unbalanced and unfair while accepting that any CD’s and NMR’s are simply an additional challenge. OR you can refuse to play them. Going into a world game and then requesting a pause/draw/cancel or any consensus from the group is unreasonable and naive. I encourage all players to try out the world games a few times, but I would advise you test them out in a low point game. And I say that for one simple reason, world games are not fair. Diplomacy cannot win you a world game. It can help, but CD’s NMR’s and starting countries are going to have a greater impact.
The diplomacy in world games is completely different from a normal game, but that’s something I’m not going to address here, because it essentially comes down to sorting out dozens of rumors.
Those have been my observations from a LOT of world games and I'm curious if you have all found this to be accurate. I thought I'd share this, feel free to ignore it if you're not interested, I know it's rather long, haha.
I've noticed South Africa doing very good in the games i have played despite its reputation as a weak power
Mintyboy4 (100 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
Being in the early stages of my first ever World game this information is quite usefull, but having observed other finished world games as research to my own suggests similar patterns.
A very common patern that I noticed is that Russia is always an early power but never wins.
Hopefully that wont happen to me :P haha.
Skittles (1014 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
Very interesting analysis, and the rest of this thread should be interesting. I don't have the time (or experience) to really comment on it right now, but I hopefully this thread will develop for interesting discussion.
MrcsAurelius (3051 D(B))
22 Dec 11 UTC
Well, I would love to react as I have been in almost as much world games as regular games by now and I quite like them. But I cant talk strategy unfortunately, as I am in a world game currently and that would kinda violate some rules probably. I really like your analysis though I will come back to it in...like three months? haha

The world game I am in now, didnt have NMRs or CDs yet (I can say this right?), and the objective starting this game, featuring people that have almost no resigns, is trying to keep it that way. Until now the game is a lot more steady than the GR 100 world game (aka the biggest global rant ever ;) ), which was created parallel to ours.. haha (jk)

Anyway, what I like about the world game is the circular map and the large number of neighbors, which exactly makes diplomacy so important in a world game.. and you have to keep it up as well. The map is quite homogeneous and isotropic imo, making it possible for every country to possibly grow, as you can always resort to talking to your neighbor's neighbor, have more opportunity to prevent going down in flames as a nation :)
Skittles (1014 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
Minty - My only completed World game was with Russia, and I certainly experienced a similar situation. Now, that was far from an optimal game, I made mistakes and I had an ally that CDed and prevented me from really getting into the Oceans, but I can see where that idea would apply.
One thing I would suggest in a world game is that it is never over. There is always a guy who wants to take out your enemy to get more SCs and could in turn lead to your survival. On the other hand, I wouldnt stab unless you can finish someone off quick
Victorious (768 D)
23 Dec 11 UTC
It is true that starting nations make a difference. And it is also true control of the sea's mostly means control of the game. But i have to respond againsy your opinion diplomacy doesnt matter. And also, the nmr's and cd's does influence the game, but a lot of times, it doesnt influence the game that much because the spoils are evenly split or the gains arent much relatively.

There are some country's that are sensetive off infight against each other. But thats just the part the diplomacy can chance things. And the fighting in Africa can also be hugely influenced by the surrounding countrys.

The world map also has a big plus in comparison with the other maps. I think the tacticala and strategical aspects are much more inportant and diverse. So it it worth playing those maps.

It is just like all the other games. It isnt the map that creates the quality, its the players joining the game that makes it fun or not.


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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Dec 11 UTC
Point Loaning has been discontinued
I'm not exactly sure how this policy started, but the mods will no longer be transferring points between players. If you need points to play in a tournament, we will still give them to you. It's just too much of a hassle and completely undermines the point system.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
22 Dec 11 UTC
eBooks and Christmas
So, as you may know, I'm a big proponent of eBooks. However, about half the gifts I'm giving this year are still traditional books. This is partly because a lot of people still don't have ereaders, but partly because giving ebooks seems wicked lame. In fact, for those I know have ereaders, I've avoided giving them books in either form.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
22 Dec 11 UTC
Kim Jong Il is still dead!
Reactions to the lack of resurrection of the Dear Leader?
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acmac10 (120 D(B))
22 Dec 11 UTC
NFL Week 16 Pick 'Em
Go get 'em, boys. With only 2 weeks left in the schedule, teams like the Giants and Cowboys are battling it out for a playoff spot! It should be an exciting two weeks, and now, PICK 'EM!
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Yonni (136 D(S))
22 Dec 11 UTC
!! and checkmarks
I'm pretty conflicted on whether or not I like the fact that you can see if people have inputted orders yet. Reasoning to follow.
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Levelhead (1449 D(G))
23 Dec 11 UTC
Merry Christmas!
A Merry Christmas to all my Christian colleagues, a Happy Hanukkah to all my Jewish colleagues, and lastly to Tettleton: Happy Holidays!
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Alderian (2425 D(S))
21 Dec 11 UTC
Vegetarianism is evil
Imagine we make contact with an alien lifeform. A lifeform that is much like our plants in that they get their energy from the sun or other light sources. What would they think of us savage earthlings.
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erik8asandwich (298 D)
23 Dec 11 UTC
Join booty pirates!
Come on. You know you want to find some treasure.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75675
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The Czech (41625 D(S))
23 Dec 11 UTC
Sitter needed for a live game
gameID=75620
PM me if you are interested.
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PowMacP (140 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
World map. Need 7 more players.
gameID=74616 World Diplomacy map
Starts in 11 hours. Missing 7 players
password: purps
Don't be shy, we don't bite. :o)
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santosh (335 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
WTA-GB-27
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Sydney City (0 DX)
22 Dec 11 UTC
new rome needed- great position- winning
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75595&nocache=539
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LordVipor (566 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
If you are in a game, and you miss three turns, do you have to pay to rejoin?
If you are in a game, and you miss the three turns and get kicked out ("Player Blah has Left"). If you come back, do you have to repay to join or not?
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
20 Dec 11 UTC
I'd just like to point out...
that I'm a FREAKING IDIOT.

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darklordpotter (102 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
Live Classic NOW
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75580
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darklordpotter (102 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
The World Ends in FIve Minutes
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75565
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Kochevnik (1160 D)
21 Dec 11 UTC
Luis Suarez and the difference between Spanish and English terminology
So, the Liverpool football player Luis Suarez just got a huge ban from the English FA for racism. The problem is that what he said is racist in English, but not Spanish, and he was talking in Spanish.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
19 Dec 11 UTC
22 years
This game took 22 diployears to finish. Anybody interested in a summary of what happened here?
gameID=67307
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Putin33 (111 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
GOP cuts off CSPAN cameras
Because they hate criticism and want to hide their hatred of the middle class. Spin this one, Repugs.
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
20 Dec 11 UTC
The Masters Tournament
So just a quick update for all those involved
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erik8asandwich (298 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
Rome: Total War Again
Hey we just had 4 of the 5 we need. So I am trying it again. JOIN!!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75548
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Hyperion (983 D)
21 Dec 11 UTC
Thirsty Tuesday EoG
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75413
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