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fortknox (2059 D)
20 Dec 11 UTC
Tolkien fans...
Go to http://maps.google.com/
click 'get directions'
in "A" put "The Shire" and in "B" put "Mordor"
Look at the wording in yellow.
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gman314 (100 D)
19 Dec 11 UTC
Muting Mods
When Thucydides left the site for a bit, he made an announcement on the forum and his mod powers were revoked. Someone suggested the idea of muting him to see what happened when he came back and his mod powers were restored. (You can't mute mods.) So, I did. I have now looked at his profile and discovered that he is now a mod again. However, I cannot unmute him.
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dave bishop (4694 D)
15 Dec 11 UTC
A Final Game
I doubt many people will remember me, but I used to be quite a keen player on the site. I left almost a year ago now, but am back and determined to organize one final (and hopefully epic) game.
Details inside.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
21 Dec 11 UTC
In need of a medium pot gunboat WTA anon game
Actions, not words
Please join
gameID=75471
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JesusPetry (258 D)
19 Dec 11 UTC
I've suddenly run out of games...
...so if you're interested on a WTA gunboat, please post here.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
20 Dec 11 UTC
H. Kissinger's Associates RETRY
Hello all,
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75379
Classic, Full Press, WTA, 70 D, anon, PM for PW
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D(B))
19 Dec 11 UTC
Anybody want to join..? 150 points, WTA, full press..
Looking for serious players, hope to keep it free of NMRs and CDs! Also looking for a challenge and to play people I havent played before.

PM me if you are interested! gameID=75315
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Yonni (136 D(S))
19 Dec 11 UTC
Low pot game
Would anyone be interested in a low pot game? 2 days/phase, WTA, non-anon.
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thatwasawkward (4790 D(B))
21 Dec 11 UTC
Bye, points.
Bid your points fond farewell in a new high-pot gunboat. 1000 D, WTA, 2 day turns.
gameID=75444
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jjmacsizzle (100 D)
21 Dec 11 UTC
New Game WW1-7
Join my game please
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jjmacsizzle (100 D)
21 Dec 11 UTC
New game
join my game for a world war one duel to the death
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Sicarius (673 D)
20 Dec 11 UTC
Vote for PHP Prom King
"You seem to have this impression that people think any more highly of you than they do me. Neither of us is going to win prom king around here. Sorry to break it to you. "
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pjmansfield99 (100 D)
20 Dec 11 UTC
Problem with IPad....
Anyone else have difficulty with timings on IPad?
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spyman (424 D(G))
21 Dec 11 UTC
How much do you chat in game?
We seen the stats before about the average number of messages per game. That is one way of looking at it. But some people post lots of short messages, while others write essays. How much do you really write?
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King Atom (100 D)
21 Dec 11 UTC
Beer...
Wow, I just watched a documentary about how beer is the world's greatest invention...for better reasons than you might suspect.
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
20 Dec 11 UTC
I wanna complain about this game ;P (I'm Turk...)
enuf said: http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75414
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Yonni (136 D(S))
20 Dec 11 UTC
An education for our American (and other foreign) friends
The Caesar is a fantastic drink. I can understand the knee jerk aversion to clam juice but, god damn, it blows a bloody mary out of the water.
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Sydney City (0 DX)
20 Dec 11 UTC
replacement turkey needed next phase(is no longer playing)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=74570
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President Eden (2750 D)
19 Dec 11 UTC
People of webDiplomacy: What is your MBTI Personality Type/Socionics type?
I'm off today and thinking about the subject because my girlfriend and I talk about this quite a lot, especially in regard to other people, and I've a feeling the implications of it translate well in predicting Diplomacy behavior. So what are you?
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ericisawesome (0 DX)
19 Dec 11 UTC
New Board???
Diplomacy Map.png
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ulytau (541 D)
19 Dec 11 UTC
Paying homage to Václav Havel
I'll visit the church with his body tomorrow so feel free to join. Regard this thread as a counterbalance to the thread about Kim Jong-Il. If one of the greatest assholes gets his own thread, the greatest pussy should get it as well.
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
17 Dec 11 UTC
MadMarx ABI-VI EoG's
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=69992
uclabb (589 D)
17 Dec 11 UTC
So I was waiting for the game to draw all day and so I have my EOG all ready (and sorry for the length). I had a lot of fun, and would love to play with any of you again!

Spring 1901--- So by far the biggest impression I got in the first turn was from Italy. His first message was this:

"(To: You, from Italy) - Spring, 1901: Hey Turkey!

Im thinking a Lepanto would be a great idea. Your thoughts? J/k :)

We can work together for the early game at least and see how things come together. I don't want to get France's attention early on, nor do I want to risk a rapid expansion of Austria through the Balkans, so don't be alarmed by my fleet move to Ionian Sea. It will just be to stay off France's radar and keep pressure on Austria. "

I don't know about y'all, but to me that reads as "I'm going to attack you Turkey." Why apologize for moving to Ionian Sea? Why make a Lepanto joke? So I basically told Italy that I wanted to either see him take Tunis with a fleet or else I would have to build a fleet in Smyrna. Austria was almost as bad. He told me that both he and England were making anti-Russian moves so I should as well, when I had been talking to England who had said nothing of the sort. I couldn't believe it. I did know that Galicia was a DMZ, though, so I hoped that Austria would be moving there, but Russia didn't seem to be at all worried, so i doubted it. Russia asked me about a jugg, of course, and I expressed interest, of course. It already was looking like I may need him for survival. England and Germany both seemed fun. France seemed like he may be a bit of a wildcard.

Autumn 1901- Italy and Austria made this really contrived opening to feign attacking each other (and set up a blue water) and are trying to sell me soooo much bullshit about it... Austria wouldn't have simultaneously moved on Italy and lied to me. Russia said that he thought that it might be an actual attack on Italy, which gave me pause, but I just didn't see it. I'm curious if MM actually thought that. Anyway, I confront Italy about blue-watering and basically predict his next couple moves to take away any potential "deceiver's delight" or whatever you want to call it in hopes of getting him to flip. The other interesting move this turn was France going to Picardy with his fleet. It seemed to me like that could be a source of tension so I tried to make sure it was at least a topic in the west. Anyway, Austria promised me an open Greece but then bounced me when I moved there, making him 2/2 as far as lying to me in a turn. I almost went to Serbia, but I figured if he were screwing me he would move Serbia to Bulgaria anyway. The other event was that since it seemed clear that MM wanted to support his unit into Rumania, we went ahead and DMZed Black Sea to start building some trust.

Spring 1902- Austria says he is mad at ME for talking to Italy and Russia about dealing with him after he already lied to me multiple times... Whatever. He did say that Russia "sold me" which is a little troubling because it is probably true. I also just straight up call Italy out and he says "got me! what are you gonna do about it?" Basically, he is a lost cause. So game plan: Talk to Russia, who (obviously MM by the way) has still been fairly hands-off in the south the simple question: "Are you willing to put your neck on the line for me?" This put some diplomatic pressure on him I think and we both (I think) started getting on the same page diplomatically, trying to get Italy and England to go against France, etc. The main reason it was France was that he had that fleet in Picardy which England HAD to see as anti-English and both of this armies were in Iberia, so he was both vulnerable and a bit antagonistic to England.

Meanwhile, I'm trying really hard to flip Italy with pretty much no progress. I encourage him to talk to England about moving on France and point out that Austria is going to have a fleet in Eastern Med and thus will be incredibly out of position if he attacks Austria, but it is all basically a waste of time: He sends me a message that contains "Italy and Turkey cannot co-exist peacefully in the end" which makes me know that he isn't going to flip unless there is an overwhelming reason to. But in what can only be called desperation, I read back through our messages and realized that I made a pretty glaring mistake in the plan I was suggesting to Italy, so I basically apologized, reworked it, complained about Russia being wishy-washy, and talked about watching Arrested Development (which was a hit), and we started to make progress. He wanted me to move to Black Sea, and I thought i might have enough diplomatic rapport with Russia to get Russia to allow it, so I agreed. I was back on my feet. But then when I asked Russia, he tried to convince me that HE should be in Black Sea. No. I basically told him that he was obviously trying to trick me and that I wanted to cancel our DMZ and switch to a bounce. But luckily that got the conversation framed into who it was better to have in Black Sea tactically and diplomatically and I had all the points on my side: Italy had given it as a condition of working together, Austria had already lied to me twice and so I could hardly work with him, my fleet in Ankara was currently useless while his fleet could support Rumania's hold, etc. I think once it was clear I wasn't going to give Russia a piece of my pie if I fell, it was only a matter of time until he agreed, and he did. He said he "liked how [I was] sticking to [my] guns", which I thought was funny.

Autumn 1902- Italy had fed me Austria's moves, which didn't help me, but I was pleasantly surprised to see they were the truth. I think Italy knew it wouldn't actually help me to know, though, so I didn't give too much weight to it. He just wanted to be able to deal with a hostile France if it happened (and it did). With Russia in Galicia and France moving on Italy and England moving on France, it looked like pressure was going to be released, and quickly. But I had to make sure. Italy came to me with this: "Turkey, I have been looking at some old games and I am interested in a Italo-Turkish alliance. It would require a good degree of trust in me, but I would make sure you were in the game to end and would ensure you were still a relevant player. To be clear, you would probably be down to a center or two for a few turns, but you would be restored over time." Lol. The only thing I knew to say was "I can only take you at your word" and hope that meant he would start looking elsewhere with some of his units know that I was "taken care of." It wasn't a huge deal, though. Austria was supporting Russia into Bulgaria and Russia knew I was defending such a move, so it seemed like a safe bet that he would work with me, and I was denying Austria Greece. Hopefully Russia would guess right and take one of Austria's home SCs.

Spring 1903: He did! Austria was as good as done, and the fleet by me went away. Life was good. I could finally stop acting like Italy's bitch, and I did... I think this was a mistake as I think Italy at least liked to see himself as the mastermind of alliances, but that is what I did. I just figured that I was in the position of power and thought Italy knew that, and figured my only chance of a solo was to get italy going west as quickly as possible, not by me supporting Italy to Greece. This may have cost me and Russia the race with England and Germany later, but it didn't really matter to me that much, if anything, that should have been Russia's concern. Anyway, I also was pretty sure that playing the "retribution" card with Italy would leak to Russia, and I had already seen (and, let's be honest, knew from past games) that MM liked the idea of holding grudges with people who have moved on you. Anyway, we made moves to set up the possibility of disbanding the Russian fleet in Rumania as it was a waste in our alliance.

Autumn 1903: Italy stayed in Aegean. Argh. He was being stubborn (in my opinion), which is my fault. I made the wrong read. Not a huge deal. Italy accepted France's support into MAO which gave England a retreat to NAf and a free Tunis. This made him staying in Aegean even more surprising. Anyway, I talked to England to make sure he would take Tunis and his terms were that I had to move on Russia. How perfect that Russia and I had already planned to have me take Rumania so we could disband his fleet. It's so nice when things work out like that.

Spring 1904: First, I thought I had been dictating moves a little too much with Russia, so I mentioned the clearly worse build of an army just so that he could suggest a fleet and I could agree. He had plenty of his own problems in the north, but I wanted to make sure he felt like he still had input in the south. Plus, since he was choosing my preferred build, he mentioned some moves that could follow a fleet build and they were more generous than I think they would have been otherwise. We talked about things for a while (the question was basically whether I should support myself to Aegean or accept his support to Budapest) and I ultimately decided to give Italy one more chance to move out of Aegean. Slightly more interesting we the E/G dynamic... Germany was promising to stab England, I had already "stabbed" Russia.

Autumn 1904: Germany had accepted Russia's support to Norway while simultaneously supporting England to Brest. He sold the support to Brest as irrelevant since he could take it in autumn anyway, which seemed reasonable. The fact that England had "sniffed out" the move in the north seemed more dubious though, and I figured that even if it was a stab, England and Germany would patch things up immediately. Italy still didn't move out of Aegean (still arghhh) but it wasn't a huge deal. While discussing moves the plan became Russia bouncing himself in Rumania (mine) which was a little scary, so I asked him to explicitly say that he wasn't going to take it. I find that being so explicit tends to work. Anyway, we ended up making good coordinated moves and coming out strong and Germany and England stayed strong, so the game was basically 2 v 2.

Rest of the Game: There isn't much to say here. Russia and I kept pushing but were hopelessly behind. Germany seemed content with a draw, the big worry was England. I tried to get England to pull back from the Mediterranean so that there would be zero risk in the game, but we just weren't connecting. My sell was that it would free me up to move on Russia (which, to be clear, I didn't intend on doing) without any risk to him (which was true... I definitely couldn't solo). He had Italy on his side for a while which was annoying, but Italy was a free agent so it was only a matter of time until we could flip him.

Meanwhile, MM (Russia) was posting on the forum that he almost didn't invite me into the games because he thought I would hold a grudge from a past game we played together (which I didn't even remember). So I looked back at that game and didn't even think our messages were toxic or anything. I congratulated him for besting me in that game and everything. This made me think there was a decent chance that he knew I was Turkey in this game and was trying to guilt me in the forums, and I didn't like that at all. So I ended up stabbing him (in a good stab... It left me, Germany, and England at 11-10-10 or something like that). We talked more, and I thought about propping him up again (I really did), but then yet again he posted in the forum about me holding a grudge for some reason, and twice was too much. It really seemed like he was trying to guilt trip me through the forum, and I didn't like that at all (and if it was a coincidence, sorry, but that is just how it worked out). And so there was a three way draw.

Again, it was a lot of fun, and let me know if you all have any questions about what I was thinking! (And MM, let me reiterate: I hold absolutely no grudge against you... In fact, if anything I would want to work with you more now after having gotten to be your ally for most of this game)
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
17 Dec 11 UTC
Interesting EoG uclabb, suppose I will respond to a few things now since my EoG will have to wait a bit.

To be clear, I had no idea you were Turkey in this game, I thought you were Russia in one of my other games. So, when I first posted on the forum that I thought you would kill me off in our ABI game (whichever one it was, I couldn't remember), I said that because I was already dead in that game. Not sure why/how I convinced myself that you were that Russian, since I know all too well that I'm *horrible* at figuring out who people are in games (largely because I don't try or really care with most people), but if I thought you and I were both alive in a game I certainly wouldn't have said anything in the forum. Since this was an anonymous invitational I really shouldn't have said anything in the first place, but that first post I made I at least tried to make it clear that that's what I was thinking before the ABI started, when I was deciding whether to send you an invite or not, again, partially because it was supposed to be an anonymous invitational and I knew you could identify me quickly within a game.

Anyway, in that last game we played, where you were Italy and you started out 1901 by stabbing me and taking Trieste from me as Austria, and then you eventually died, a message you wrote me left a *serious* impression on me. After it was pretty clear you would die at my hand, you said:

"I honestly don't care about my diplomacy games anymore and am quitting the site when my games end. So I am not going to put in the effort to try to convince you to be honest."

So, since you had not been taking me killing you off very well, and your reaction was to "quit the site", I got the general sense that you were bitter with me to an extreme amount, which gave me the sense that in the ABI you would consider events outside the game itself and since you told me you could figure me out quickly within a game, I had a feelling you would ultimately kill me off because you'd know I was MadMarx. I understand it took a different form that I imagined, but that's exactly what you did, I WAS RIGHT!!!! You admit that you would not have killed me off, but since you knew I was MadMarx, you took something from the forum that I said and allowed that to influence you within this game to the point of killing me. I expect people to be able to separate things outside of a game from things happening within a game, and as I predicted, you could not.

I also don't like the fact that you say you would want to work with me more now, I view that as metagaming too, allowing things outside of a game influence the game. I don't want people entering games with me with a mindset that they want to kill me, and I equally don't want people entering games with me wanting to ally with me. I think each game should be a level playing field.

I'll leave the rest for my EoG, but figured I'd start by getting that out.
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
17 Dec 11 UTC
Yeah, that's crazy. When I was sending you an invite to the ABI, uclabb, it felt like I was immediately adding a defeat to my record, but I felt guilty not inviting you just because that was my gut take on the situation, so I invited you anyway. The reason I do well on this site is because I typically go with my gut, and this is one more piece of evidence for me that I should continue to do so.
uclabb (589 D)
17 Dec 11 UTC
I wasn't saying that I would actively seek out working with you in the future, just that that game showed that our styles meshed fairly well and so it seems likely that we would work together in future games. And to say that I was the one that who was metagaming is pretty disingenuous in my opinion. Whether or not you were actually trying to influence the game, you knew that the game that I was in was still active and to post such a thing (twice) seemed out of line to me. You also have to understand that this was happening around the same time that the Sarg/Babak drama was going on (which I unfortunately got a little caught up in) which contributed to me being hyper sensitive about posting about active games in the forum.

The other game that we played together I said that simply because I was, in fact, getting tired with the site. I had been taking my games too seriously and my life in general was becoming more hectic. It had nothing to do with that game.
uclabb (589 D)
17 Dec 11 UTC
Also, just out of curiosity, what made you think I was that Russia in the other game? If I played against myself, I think I could tell that it was me, but I didn't really think my style was distinctive enough to make people pick me out of anon games.
Zarathustra (3672 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
Uclabb, I just want to congratulate you on a game well-played. Also, I would like to partially apologize for gunning for you the whole game. I say partially, because I honestly don't think I-T works as a long term alliance. Additionally,I would like to add to your EoG that I did make a very honest attempt to help you after I had been stabbed by E-G. Somehow you and MM totally messed up the move though and I got frustrated about it. Lastly, I was glad to see that I played such a prominent role in your EoG, including such great quotes as "Hey Turkey! Im thinking a Lepanto would be a great idea. Your thoughts? J/k :)"

It was really a pleasure to play with you and the rest of the gang. Cheers!


MadMarx (36299 D(G))
18 Dec 11 UTC
uclabb, it was not any little "tell" about that Russian, it was conceptual, based on how in our last game you told me you would quit the site because I reacted to your stabbing of me by stabbing you, I had a sense you would come hunt me down. The Russian in that other game landed one of the most ruthless stabs I have ever felt, it was extreme and it seemed to be a result of extreme bitterness, so I immediately thought of you! ;-)
uclabb (589 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
@Zara- Thanks, you were a lot of fun to play with as well, if a bit frustrating at times. I hope next time we play I am Italy and you are Turkey so I can prove you wrong!

@MM- Fair enough. But again, I promise you there are no (nor have there ever been) hard feelings.
uclabb (589 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
(at least from my direction) :-P
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
18 Dec 11 UTC
uclabb, now that we have discussed it, I believe you. I have no hard feelings towards you either. The fact that you can identify me immediately in a game is a bit troublesome, but it's not like you're the only one, so in the grand scheme of things it isn't a big deal.
fulhamish (4134 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
Speaking from an English (Germann) perspectiveI would just add that uclabb took an awful lot of persuading to turn on Russia. Indeed, he was adamant that we go for a 4-way almost until the very end.
uclabb (589 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
Oh, I forgot about the misorders with the convoys in the end. Those all were actual misorders. I got poked in the eye pretty badly playing basketball so for about 10 days I had to keep my eye dilated while it healed, which meant I had a really hard time with seeing things up close (like a computer screen) so I made a lot of mistakes.
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
18 Dec 11 UTC
Ughh, I'm running out of gas on these EoG's and responses within these seven ABI games, but I've got to wrap this up, so here are some loose details:

1901: Everyone is talking nice in the south, of course. I don't remember what prompted me to open north, I don't usually do that, perhaps I was just looking to mix things up since I don't remember England saying anything that got my attention. The spring went fine, though it looked like A/I may not trust each other very much since they bounce in Trieste, though that was probably more likely arranged, but even if arranged it does show a lack of trust to me since it looked like Austria was trying to set up an attack on Venice. I'd never heard of a Blue Water Lepanto, I don't pay too much attention to "openings", I just play the game. Anyway, I had no clue what A/I were up to. I was surprised to see Austria in Ionian and for sure Turkey was giving me a quick lesson as to what a BWL was. In the north, the army in Norway is frustrating. I've never been very good as Russia, maybe because I cannot figure out how to get E/G to fight, so things are not looking good up north.

1902: Austria had been talking real nice, about how he wanted to be my bff, but the Austrian refused to discuss any details, he just said to trust him and that was about it. I thought that was ridiculous so I shifted to Galicia. My talks with Turkey had been going fine, I didn't have a real good feeling about Turkey, but it wasn't bad either. The person I got along best with was Italy and I thought I could get Italy on board attacking Austria, though I suppose I didn't think about the amount of trust took for Italy to Blue Water with Austria, and perhaps I was fooling myself a bit.

1903: Things were looking good, Italy took Trieste and I thought the IR would actually come together! Oh, wait, Italy took MAO and gave Tunis to England, son of a beaoch. Things weren't going real well in the north, but I wasn't loosing anything too quickly either, so it was manageable for the time being. Italy told me he would not attack Austria, which was good, then I knew I had to get on track with Turkey asap. Turkey and I came up with our plan to finally destroy my southern fleet, while I destroyed it, and my northern fleet got dislodges so I destroyed it and got to build an army which I put up north. I had to put all my trust in Turkey down south since Italy bailed on me and lost Tunis, which was fine by me, even though Turkey wasn't my first choice in the south, we had gotten along well enough and I thought we could work relatively well together.

1904: I had been trying to get EG to fight all game to no avail. Germany pretended like he would stab England, but at the last minute Germany decided to not take Sweden to Ska which would have guaranteed Norway in the autumn, so it looked as though the attack was just a fake attack and that EG were still allied. Oh well, all I could do was try to talk to them, if they are a solid alliance, it's just a matter of time for me up north. In the south I supported Turkey to Budapest, and part of the deal was that I'd get Rumania back at some point, but we were more focused on making progress against the AI than on being so concerned on the exact split of centers, team-first, right?! I self-bounced in Rumania that autumn and got Trieste, things were looking up in regard to the RT versus the AI, but now Germany took an army to Silesia and the squeeze was on up north.

1905: It was looking more and more like an EGT to me, so my only hope, in my eyes, was to prove my worth as a solid ally and try to earn a little respect and leverage a bit of sportsmanship to get included in a four-way. Personally, if I were Turkey, no way I would have eliminated Russia for a three-way, assuming the Russian was relatively reasonable about things until the end of the game, but this Turk was having none of that. Anyway, in spring I shift as much as I can at Germany, the backup plan was to try to throw a solo to England (unfortunately England was not interested in even trying, bummer). Autumn moves here were spectacular for me, it totally breathed new life into me, I felt my back was against the wall and I was about to die, but everything went perfectly. I had decided as soon as spring orders went through to leave Moscow open for England to take, but more than half-way through the phase England sent me a message trying to feel me out. In all honesty it felt like England and I were playing tennis, that I was at the fence and England lobbed up a very soft ball that I was extremely confident I could crush it to Timbuktu, I sent a response to England and felt great about keeping Moscow that autumn. I was not nearly as confident down south, but Turkey and I planned to give up Trieste in the spring and take it back in the Autumn, which worked perfectly, I just expected Germany or Italy to attack Vienna, but since they didn't I actually got a build, beautiful!

1906+: Not much else to say. I worked hard with Turkey and had to hope Turkey would respect me enough to not kill me off. Was not meant to be, but it was out of my control, so what's a guy to do? The Turk, afterwards, says he thought I was trying to guilt-trip him on the forum, but anyone that knows me will know I don't guilt-trip behind their back or on the forum, I guilt-trip people directly to their face. ON th forum, I had made a comment about how before the ABI's started I had a feeling that uclabb would kill me in the ABI due to factors outside the ABI game (or at least that was the concept), and that's exactly what happened, according to uclabb, the Turkey claims he would have gone with the four-way in this game, based on this game, but the Turk did not play this game on its own merits, which was the entire point of the ABI, so that was extremely disappointing, even if fully anticipated.
uclabb (589 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
It's ludicrous to me that you continue to spin this as my being the one acting outside the game, when you were posting on the forum about how you expected me to move on you while you knew full well that the game we were in was still active. That blows my mind. I take you at your word that you weren't trying to manipulate me through the forum, but you were nevertheless certainly in the wrong posting anything at all (and you posted the same thing twice... To be honest, your comments didn't seem much different at all to me from the ones that were made about Sarg and caused the big blow up and has basically nuked the top 100 world game).

And what you said confirms the way I was feeling in general. I was happy to include you in the draw just because we were making strong moves in the south together. But we never had incredibly chemistry or anything like that so I really was going to include you (like fulhamish said) only because i don't like shaving draws for no reason. But I didn't feel like you had done anything to actually secure yourself the draw, and it really would have been pure charity.
fulhamish (4134 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
In response to MM comments the strength of my alliance with Germany was determined by him sending two units north in 1901. That is the chance which Russia takes with this strategy. Thereafter there was never a realistic opportunity for me to stab Germany or, come to that, vica versa. As to the solo my chance went when Italy ultimately supported turkey rather than me in the med. More to say if you like, but thought it important to point this out
fulhamish (4134 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
Just to add that I guessed that MM was Russia quite early in the game. In the spirit of the series, however, I made no comments to my fellow players either within the game or in the forum.
Zarathustra (3672 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
Yea, it seems that I kinda screwed up everyone's plans. That's what it is like to play Italy though.
Zarathustra (3672 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
My personal, and brief, take on the game is that I screwed up the whole of the board when I got jittery about the French Fleet build in Mars. I was, until then, solidly with Russia and Austria. Then, I screwed up the game again when I accidentally forgot to change my move and ended up going to MAO instead of attacking Spain. This made for a hiccup in my relations with England at the same time that Austria was being ravaged by R-T. The last bit, when I got stabbed by E-G simultaneously, is when England's chance of soloing was killed. I tried to facilitate a 4-way draw between EGRT by ordering a convoy with support from Bul to Venice, but R-T somehow both misread the order which just frustrated me to no end. I then gave the very last bit of my support to England because he was the only one that had followed through on promises in the end game.

Austria was a solid ally and was comfortable playing second fiddle, but a few of his hiccups in diplomacy and moves cost him and I the game. Mostly it was my failure to follow through with the BWL though. Had I followed through, end game would have likely been EGIR I think, though I am clearly biased.
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
18 Dec 11 UTC
uclabb, I guess we just see things differently. When I posted on the forum about the thoughts I had in my head before sending you an invitation to the ABI, it is not something I analyzed and thought about too much, and since I was not commenting about a specific game, since I was just sharing some random thoughts in my head, it didn't seem like too big of a deal. Apparently it offended you or you took it personally or something, and so you took revenge on me within a specific game based on general comments I made about thoughts in my head before I even invited you to one of seven ABI games. Hmmm, maybe there are hard feelings! ;-)
Zarathustra (3672 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
Oi vey! The kvetching with these two! My head-its swimming!

For goodness sake you two, it's a game. MM can't tell a rock from a player unless they are wearing a nametag. Uclabb over-analyzed his in-game situation by reading too much into a forum post. Uclabb may or may not have hard feelings about something in the distant past and MM may or may not feel he made a mistake by inviting uclabb to the game.

Uclabb, you beat MM. Good job, game over, move on.

MM, just let the ball drop. You are still ranked number one on the site. There is no need to egg the guy on.

Thus spoke Zarathustra.
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
18 Dec 11 UTC
Nice, Zara, that's so true, I do have difficulty identifying a rock from a player, lol!
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
18 Dec 11 UTC
FTR - I don't not think I made a mistake inviting uclabb based on thinking he'd kill me and thinking I'd get a defeat. This invitational was not meant to be about me or whether I'd do well or whether I'd do poorly. This invitational was about playing games on their own merits and to limit (if not eliminate... yes, it's clear I'm a dreamer!) outside factors affecting in game play, and it is because of this second reason that uclabb's play strongly suggests uclabb should not have been invited to this sort of invitational since his in game play was obviously seriously affected by an extremely minor outside factor. I would expect most any reasonably mature player to be able to separate such an issue, but some people tend to get a bit "drunk with power" and are prone to quickly take on the role of judge jury and executioner for unjustified reasons. That's fine and all, people can play however they want to play, and we ceratinly have all types on this site, it just wasn't the sort of play that was expected for this invitational and perhaps I just needed to attempt to make it more clear before sending out invitations.

Also, I think this is a valid/interesting discussion. I'm not trying to egg anyone on, I'm trying to share my side of the story and at least attempt to get all sides to understand where the other is coming from. Lots of time discussions of differning opinion result in people expanding their view of things, which always seems to be a good thing. If people think this is bickering or useless arguing that is accomplishing nothing, then feel free to not read it, but I find it interesting and a worthwhile discussion, so I'm more than happy to keep chatting about it.
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
18 Dec 11 UTC
For example, even in non-anon games that involve people with a bit of history, if the players are reasonably mature, then within a few short years that game of diplomacy will be nearly 100% about that specific game of diplomacy. My ABI was attempting to get the game 100% about the game of diplomacy from the pre-game onward and bi-pass any outside issues, especially extremely silly issues that would not be an issue to most people on this site.
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
18 Dec 11 UTC
Sorry I'm not being very clear here, but it's my opinion that a game that is beyond 1905 should not be easily skewed by some random minor issue outside of the game. Period.
uclabb (589 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
"I would expect most any reasonably mature player to be able to separate such an issue, but some people tend to get a bit "drunk with power" and are prone to quickly take on the role of judge jury and executioner for unjustified reasons."

That is the definition of egging people on. I will respond once more and then I think I am done talking about this. I have said all I have to say. You were wrong to talk about me working with or against you (twice) on the forum while we had an ongoing game... One of the few rules on this site is to not discuss ongoing games. And I agree that perhaps in the purest form of diplomacy it shouldn't have affected me. But I'll tell you what, I played a game of face-to-face last night, and 90% of the game was playing off people's real-life relationships (you knew the people who were dating weren't going to attack each other... The best friends were yearning to stab each other, etc) and from my perspective, your post on the forum about playing in a game with me (especially since it absolutely reads as a guilt trip whether or not it was intended to be) absolutely bothered me (of course it did, you were questioning my character as a player), and it absolutely made me less thrilled to include you in the draw.

I honestly feel like I am perhaps being attacked for my honesty here. I didn't censor myself at all in my EOG which I am starting to think was a mistake.
uclabb (589 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
Response to cross-post: You said it yourself that our actual in-game diplomacy was not great. We didn't build a bond, but worked together out of necessity. I only was keeping you alive because "that is what I do" for my allies, not because we had build a connection.
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
19 Dec 11 UTC
If I broke a site rule, why not email the mods, why take things into your own hands, why play judge jury and executioner?
uclabb (589 D)
19 Dec 11 UTC
You act like I did some crazy thing. I removed you from the draw cleanly and efficiently, giving you no chance to even try to throw the game to someone.
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
19 Dec 11 UTC
Sure is a mystery why we don't bond real well in games, uclabb! ;-)

I don't think you did anything crazy. I think you did something very common on this site. Most people look to maximize their success in a game. You maximized your success. Unfortunately, it's not often what you do that is most important, but how you do it, and it's how you did things that I took exception to. In my *opinion*, if you are playing a game of diplomacy and have a plan for how it should play out, and then you stumble across something on the forum you think is not right, and then you decide in that game of diplomacy to kill that person because of how you viewed the forum post, then I think that is... well, I think we all know what I think of it, but in the end, it merely is what it is and I agree with you and others that it is time to move on.
uclabb (589 D)
20 Dec 11 UTC
I was hoping that we would get at least ONE other EOG...


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Sydney City (0 DX)
20 Dec 11 UTC
Italy taking over Grmany solo-
how funny is this?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=74842&msgCountryID=4
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
19 Dec 11 UTC
@D33
Check out this link. I only skimmed through the choice of HW, but the tutorial on actually setting up is what pertains to you:

http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/19/2639968/how-to-build-gaming-pc
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WoodenSpork (100 D)
20 Dec 11 UTC
Live Game!!! Player needed NAME: Please join!!! fun game
I need of 7 players game starts soon so hurry
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vandrew555 (100 D)
20 Dec 11 UTC
love game-players needed!!!
it's called "please join!!! fun game" we need to get those 7 players. it's starting in 15 minutes.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
18 Dec 11 UTC
Any graduate student/professor of Psychology on this site?
I am interested in doing a correlational study concerning the game of Diplomacy and its players. For starter, I want to correlate myers-briggs/keirsey personalities and general intelligence with game performance, chat frequency, and country preference.
If you are interested, please post here or PM me if you are concerned with your RL identity (preferred).
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
17 Dec 11 UTC
Ghost-Ratings up for November and December
As usual, they can be found on:
tournaments.webdiplomacy.net

I normally don't comment on these, but... I'll just say, look at the gap at the top of the list at your own risk...
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
18 Dec 11 UTC
George Will at it again. Brilliant!
In 1927, the corrupt politicians of Washington state created a monopoly of ferry rights on Lake Chelan to a company owned by cronies. Today a pair of brothers have a case challenging this monopoly and Will writes brilliantly about it. If you European and not American don't waste your time.
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Putin33 (111 D)
19 Dec 11 UTC
Theocratic Tyrant Vaclav Havel Dead
http://www.countercurrents.org/parenti191211.htm

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