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1brucben (60 D)
12 Nov 11 UTC
Barack Obama's Reelection
Please post your opinion on who will win the upcoming presidential election.
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
10 Nov 11 UTC
The Masters is back!
Looking for anyone who is interested to sign up and finish out this season

After TrustMe stepped down as TD, the tournament has languished, and many of its 49 participants are not currently active on the site, so we need subs!
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Yonni (136 D(S))
15 Nov 11 UTC
J. Edgar
I saw J. Edgar yesterday and thought it was fairly fantastic. At the very least, I thought DiCaprio would be a shoe in Oscar nominee (or even winner). Reviews, on the other hand, were less positive. Anyone else seen it?
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idealist (680 D)
13 Nov 11 UTC
poetic public press
a couple of years ago, when public press games must be played on the forum, a few guys did a poetic version of public press (some of you old enough might recall). if anyone is interested, i would love to start a game like that.
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
Analogy
Just like in life, where making the first million is the hardest, id think it the same here with points, the first thousand would be the hardest.
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Gundy (102 D)
15 Nov 11 UTC
Names
How do players come up with the games that they create. I for one enjoy using music references. For example, I am in 2 games that I have created. The first is BYOB (song by system of a down). The second is This Time We'll Blast It All to Hell (line from green days' f.o.d.)
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Sydney City (0 DX)
15 Nov 11 UTC
Australians only game
Msg me for password
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=72354
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
14 Nov 11 UTC
Ridiculously oversimplified argument thread
See inside
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Leif_Syverson (271 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
NFL Pick Em: Week 10
Seeing as we have a thursday night game, I figured it's time to get this out, and give Goldfinger another break from having to do this.

Here's to a pick 'em week like last week (for me that is..)
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Nov 11 UTC
Students: Be nice to your TAs
So, I stayed up all night grading exams and now I feel bad for some of the shit I gave my TAs when I was an undergrad. You think taking an exam is bad? Try taking the same exam 40 times without being able to make a mistake.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Nov 11 UTC
Apology to the players in
Dear players in the game "Laboratory of War",

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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
15 Nov 11 UTC
There's a bunch of good position open games
Take your pick people, plenty of guaranteed draw with solo potential open games up right now.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
14 Nov 11 UTC
Gunboats
When you are being swarmed on all sides, and your survival is at about 0% probability, what do you do?
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SuperSteve (894 D)
15 Nov 11 UTC
Can someone explain these games?
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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
14 Nov 11 UTC
What the hell's going on in the Gobi desert?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2061424/Google-Maps-satellite-spots-bizarre-structures-Chinese-desert.html
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
14 Nov 11 UTC
Shall we play, gentlemen? x
Dear all,

Still looking for some strong players here (I'm not a strong player, but everybody else who joined is :) ),
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
Question about muting
If you are in a game with someone you muted can you get messages from them? Stupid question, i know, but i just want to know. Not that anyone would have me muted :-) Or the other way around :-)
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Agent K (0 DX)
12 Nov 11 UTC
Comp games
I need opinions of the masses. I am looking into getting a new game. I really only play console games but Starcraft 2 and Civilization 4 or 5 look really appealing. suggestions? or any other random games like this?
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semck83 (229 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
Supreme Court takes healthcare case
No surprise, but the 5.5 hours of oral arguments is unheard of in modern times (one hour is typical).
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Conor07 (942 D)
14 Nov 11 UTC
Error Message
What does this mean. I'm getting it when inputting my orders

"Parameter 'toTerrID' set to invalid value '185'."
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
Need help.
Im doing a paper on zero point energy and absolute zero in the quantum world. Any quantum physicists out there who can give me advice?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Nov 11 UTC
Yes. Do you have a specific question?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Nov 11 UTC
More specifically, I'm an Electrical Engineer doing research on nanoelectronic structures, which requires a reasonable understanding of QM.
Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
Nice. Knew someone would be out there. Im trying to figure out how it works in quantum field theory, it seems more complicated there with the quantum harmonic oscillators.
The Czech (41806 D(S))
14 Nov 11 UTC
@Diplomat sent you a PM
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Nov 11 UTC
What background do you have/what grade are you in?
Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
im in ninth, with a reasonable recreational background
Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
based more on theory than the mathematics unfortunately.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Nov 11 UTC
In QM, the theory is math, so I'm not sure that that means.

I'm not too familiar with QFT, but if you understand ZPE in general, it's the same principle for QFT.

Basically, when particles become confined, their energy level becomes discrete. Obviously, there's a lowest energy, but this energy is above 0.

With Oscillations, there are different energy levels, so the same concept applies.
I don't think Diplomat33 is sure what he means either. Ninth grade? Paper on quantum physics theory?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Nov 11 UTC
Have you read and understood the wiki article?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
ghug (5068 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
He probably chose his topic for a paper in English so that he would look really smart. Often, if your content goes above the teacher's head, they give you a better grade, I know I've employed similar strategies in the past.
uclabb (589 D)
14 Nov 11 UTC
@D33- I'm also not clear on what you mean by a reasonable recreational background "based more on theory than the mathematics." Does that mean you read an article in TIME magazine or something?
Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
It means i read quantum physics books. such as the cosmic landscape by leonard Susskind.
Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
I did read the wiki article. In fact i edited it once. but what you are saying abg does make sense.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Nov 11 UTC
I'm just confused because QFT is very specific and isn't directly related to ZPE.
Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
i suppose it isn't necessary to include but still. Just wondered. And curious to know if anyone knew quantum physics on the site.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Nov 11 UTC
Oh, and you aren't talking about making a Free Energy Device, are you? Because that's complete nonsense.
Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
I wish it wasn't, and i invented it and had a monopoly in the world energy market (yay, id be a gold donor then) but i am disproving it.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Nov 11 UTC
Well, at a least you're disproving it. I'd be interested to see how you do that with 9th grade math, though.
Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
I take pre calc so im not too far off.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Nov 11 UTC
Yes, you are at least 6 classes off.
Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
indeed.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Nov 11 UTC
I'm not trying to put you down; I just don't want you to be surprised when you find out you actually can't understand QM without math.
Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
i am aware of that.
carpenter (645 D)
14 Nov 11 UTC
@abg, you just flushes away my airs for you, how can you say that Energy 'becomes' discrete? That's proven to be false and you know that. Energy's always been discrete in every way, unfortunately we're unable to measure it's discrete states at "normal" temperatures, therefore we treat energy as a continuous function. I think it's called Hund's rule, incredibly boring subject. I wish some people were not allowed to teach or to become professors.
Near the zero-point (approximately zero Kelvin and approximately one possible state [thus entropy equals approximately 1]) the effect of discretized states is easier observed, because the amount of possible states is largely reduced (according to the Boltzmann-distribution). Furthermore, I think that zero point energy and the absolute zero actually refer to the same point on a temperature scale, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
Apart from the fact that this point may or may not exist [I think it doesn't], we're unable to observe this possibly lowest state probable. But let's not start that discussion in here.
@D33 What do you want to put in your paper? And how long {do you want it}/{does it need} to be? Giving a short overview will be totally different from a discussion about specific topics. Hmm, ninth grade maths, that's going to be a though shot. It's been a while (7 years) since I was that age, you did got integrals, right?
BTW: I'm studying chemical engineering, and as well as you I read some books about QM, but I did some subjects about it as well. So in that case abg might be a better source.
damian (675 D)
14 Nov 11 UTC
...integrals are calc. As in pre-calc won't cut it. As impressive sounding as 'pre-calc' is it simply describes all the math that you do before you start taking Calculus classes. Meaning that no. Unless he's spent time doing actual calc outside of his classes he won't have a clue how to integrate.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Nov 11 UTC
@carpenter

Is English not your first language? Your post was completely incomprehensible. I really don't even know what you were trying to say and I have no idea if you are wrong or not, but I think you are very confused or things were lost in translation.
MrcsAurelius (3051 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
@Diplomat33:
If I may be so forward to advise you:
I like your ambition, but don't get in over your head. If you are truly ninth grade I would choose something a little less advanced. QM might sound all magical, but really its not. It's better to study something thoroughly and understand it completely, than to run to many different subjects that tingle your interest and study them superficially. I have done the latter most my life, it has served me well in some areas, but it was a handicap in studying physics.

For you to be able to understand QM, you will need advanced calculus, but mostly linear algebra.

If you want to start understanding physics beyond that of your high school and want to know where to begin and how to proceed, here is a useful page of Nobel Laureate:
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~hooft101/theorist.html

And here is a page telling you what NOT to do:
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~hooft101/theoristbad.html

You are able to understand a lot of physics with just high school math, but QM is just not.

I hope the pages listed above help you. It is some pretty advanced stuff though. I would advise to find some friends to discuss it with, as that helps you from making errors in understanding. Later.

PS: Or you may be some prodigy.. Forget what I said in the first part then and focus on the links ;)
Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Nov 11 UTC
I had a few friends interested as well, but almost all of them moved away.
SergeantCitrus (257 D)
14 Nov 11 UTC
"Nobody understand quantum mechanics." - Richard Feynman.

With that out of the way, I hope you're ready for some gnarly integrals. Or you could have a passing knowledge, similar to what a pop philosopher has. Which is none.
Believe me, a throurough understanding of zero-point energy is way too ambitious. The mathematics and physics involved is somethnig you will learn in the 3th/4th year of a study in theoretical physics.

If you want to do a real theoretical physics project, with actual calculatinos and stuff, switch to something simpler.

If you want a philosophical story, motivated by a little bit of physics, buy/dowload a good book on GR, read the introduction, and read wikipedia.
carpenter (645 D)
14 Nov 11 UTC
@abg: No, English is not my first language. Agreed, my first sentence was a mess.
Please let me summarize my response in two sentences (feel free to respond if it's still unclear):
'Energy's discrete, unfortunately people are unable to measure its discrete states under standard conditions, therefore we treat energy as being continuous. (according to aufbau-principle)
Near the zero-point the effect of discrete states is easier observed, because the amount of possible states is largely reduced. (as described by the Boltzmann distribution)'
And I stated that, judging your background, you at least should have the knowledge that the energy states are always discrete.
Furthermore, I agree with basvan.
Draugnar (0 DX)
14 Nov 11 UTC
I don't get QM and I took college level Calc in HS... I stick with the concrete, real world physics and practical applications of mathematics in the engineering community, not the theoretical stuff. It makes my head hurt. :-)
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Nov 11 UTC
@carpenter

"'Energy's discrete, unfortunately people are unable to measure its discrete states under standard conditions, therefore we treat energy as being continuous. (according to aufbau-principle)"

I disagree. An energy spectrum being continuous up to the Planck's length is fundamentally different than it being discrete because of confinement. I completely disagree with your statement.

"Near the zero-point the effect of discrete states is easier observed, because the amount of possible states is largely reduced. (as described by the Boltzmann distribution)'"

Yes. I agree. I was just simplifying it for him.

"And I stated that, judging your background, you at least should have the knowledge that the energy states are always discrete."

You need to clarify this statement because I feel we may be talking about different things.


@Draug

The cool thing is, QM is used in every device you own! Every electronic device has transistors and diode that work only because of our understanding of QM. It's a very practical field.
Draugnar (0 DX)
14 Nov 11 UTC
That's why I'm a code head. The voodoo you do shrinks my head to the point of implosion. :-)
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Nov 11 UTC
But it's so cool! It's pretty much as close to being a god as you can get, imho.


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joshildinho101 (128 D)
14 Nov 11 UTC
joinnnnnn
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Cockney (0 DX)
14 Nov 11 UTC
new ghost rankings
november is now up!
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rokakoma (19138 D)
13 Nov 11 UTC
Candy Paint N Texas Plates - EOG
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
11 Nov 11 UTC
A Tale Told By An Idiot, Full of Sound And Fury, Signifying Nothing--"Anonymous?"
I'm seeing it with friends tommorow--wasn't, fought it for weeks, but yeah...it's illogical to say "They're forcing me to go," and yet, nevertheless, we all know the feeling of friends "forcing" others, bullshit or not...

Anyone seen it? Or wants to see it? Am I going to want to pour poison in Emmerich's ear and run him through after seeing it? ;)
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
13 Nov 11 UTC
Advice from the experts
diplomacy advice (why the hell do you need a summary anyway? Irritating)
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aaronn7 (0 DX)
14 Nov 11 UTC
opinions on the gunboat game where italy is clearly helping france
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amterdam420 (0 DX)
14 Nov 11 UTC
Natty Light and Milanos, a game for bros
For those looking for some chill times, laughter, and tears while playing diplomacy join the game starting in 5 minutes Natty Light and Milanos. It's the breakfast of champions.
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LordVipor (566 D)
14 Nov 11 UTC
Request for Opinions on a World Anon Game
What should each of the remaining players do?
Are any in a position to go for the solo win?
Should the three draw?
Should two superpowers gang up on the third and draw then?
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President Eden (2750 D)
11 Nov 11 UTC
Reposting thoughts on Italian opening strategy
I posted this on another forum and realized in the process that I might have finally figured out what to do with the damn little green boot. Since "what do I do as Italy?" is probably life's biggest question, I thought I'd repost and get some thoughts. Share 'em here.
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