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Menteith (171 D)
27 Jul 11 UTC
Newbie Question - Draw/Pause/Cancel Votes
I've seen the voting buttons, but I can't find anything on-site about how they work. What happens if you vote Draw/Pause/Cancel?
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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
28 Jul 11 UTC
Can anyone defend Austria when being attacked by Italy, Russia and Turkey?
Can anyone defend the idea that a "power" can produce a better situation for Austria by diminishing the attackers' SC control in exchange for increased unexpected imposition of diplomatic pressure on the attackers?
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1brucben (60 D)
27 Jul 11 UTC
LETS SEE HOW MANY POSTS WE CAN GET ON THIS THREAD!!!
JUST POST RANDOM CRAP!!!! IT WILL BE FUN!!!
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1brucben (60 D)
27 Jul 11 UTC
Politics on a Diplomacy website??? WTF
why are so many people spending hours making stupid points about politics on a diplomacy forum???? TALK ABOUT DIPLOMACY PLEASE. I agree to shutup my liberal trap if those conservatives do also.
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☺ (1304 D)
27 Jul 11 UTC
Can anyone defend SPARTAAAA?
Leonidas can.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
27 Jul 11 UTC
My partial departure
See inside
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Can anybody defend stealing from the wealthy
Something that has always confused me is why people say taxing the wealthy is fair. How can one justify governments taking quadruple the money on those who earn twice as much as the middle class? How is it fair?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
The Master of PR Disaster, Glenn Beck Does It Again...Says Norway's Victims=Hitler Youth
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/07/glenn-beck-hits-a-new-low-compares-norway-victims-to-hitler-youth.html

I mean...even for HIM, that has to be one of the lowest and most disgusting utterances this side of Jerry Falwell's blaming 9/11 on gays...
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Riphen (198 D)
25 Jul 11 UTC
Are you ready for some Football!!!?
Yes finally after 136 days in a lockout we can finally watch as are favorite teams start to select free agents! Who is excited!! ME! ME! ME!

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King98 (0 DX)
27 Jul 11 UTC
Live Game
I don't see many live-games going on... I find long term games boring, so I hosted my own http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=64593
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
27 Jul 11 UTC
The Prison Norwegian Killer May Spend The Rest of His 21 Years In
I'm not a crime and punishment sort of guy, but this might be a bit much
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Putin33 (111 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Dear Francophobes
Any regrets about your rush to hang DSK?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
27 Jul 11 UTC
Chris Hedges: Hitchens, Harris and "Secular Fundamentalism Caused Oslo Attacks?
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/fundamentalism_kills_20110726/
Quite possibly the WORST PROFESS IONAL ESSAY I HAVE EVER READ. Stylistically lackluster at best and completely banal at worst, with an emhpasis on terms poorly defined and adjectives poorly used, it's message is confused and WRONG--WHEN has Hitchens had "twisted yearning for the apocalypse and belief in the “chosen people?" UTTER STUPIDITY...
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Agent K (0 DX)
27 Jul 11 UTC
Dubloon Challenge
Nimen hao,

Join this game to acquire dubloons beyond imagination.
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doofman (201 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Doofman returns!
That is all
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SergeantCitrus (257 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Can anybody defend baby eating?
I mean they make a good stew, but the meat is too stringy.
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Obama's Speech on the Debt Crisis
What are peoples thoughts on it?
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denis (864 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Vanguard
I've been watching quite a bit of this TV documentary show, Vanguard, on CurrentTV. Just would like to know if anybody else has seen it. And start a discussion about the topics below.
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taylornottyler (100 D)
25 Jul 11 UTC
Disease - To eradicate, or not to eradicate
Given all the yicky microbes bent on killing millions each year, why don't we have disease eradication as a higher priority?
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1brucben (60 D)
24 Jul 11 UTC
TripleA
For those of you who love strategy games like diplomacy, there is a free software program called TripleA. almost any time a day you can find 20 users online to play Axis and Allies games. My user name is Colonel_Klink and here is the download site. http://sourceforge.net/projects/triplea/files/ it includes a link to the official forums too.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Welcome To The Obi Factor! (And I'm Inviting ALL the Conservatives In On This One!)
We have a great crop of crazed posts and threads that just seem to keep popping up in this last hour on how AWFUL the Democratic Party is and how the GOP and the Republican Way is, of course, the ONLY Way!
So--krellin! Tettleton! Conservative Man! And any others! Come on in and explain your positions HERE, in the concise No-S*** Zone! THIS IS THE FACTOR!
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I'm a libertarian -- an 'old' conservative, as it's referred to today. But I call out both sides if they're being dumb, and unfortunately the right is not as well-represented as the left here. The more dominant leftists on the scene are pretty intelligent and even if I disagree I can see their logic and see it's typically not dumb. Meanwhile, unfortunately, the more dominant right-wingers here (or at least loudest) are... well, easier to poke holes in. *shrug*
denis (864 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
@President Eden I can honestly say that I was at one point a person who leaned towards the libertarian message. It makes sense... To a certain point, then it just seems a bit fantastical doesn't it? I mean if big business and global corporations were angels it would be great, if they treated the environment well and provided benefits for their workers and fair treatment to everyone, and if speculative bubbles were avoided, but doesn't the lack of these features pose a large problem with the libertarian message?
Putin33 (111 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
I heard Glenn Beck compared the Norwegian massacre victims to the Hitler Youth. As if we needed more proof that rightwingers were all terrorist sympathizers.
Speculative bubbles would not be a problem in the blueprint I provided above. Bubbles occur when a product or asset is traded for much higher prices than they're actually worth over a substantial period of time. In an actual free market that wouldn't happen. Booms are caused by artificial lowering of interest rates by central banking systems like the Federal Reserve; entrepreneurs think that with interest set to those lower rates that they will be able to make enough money from an investment to cover the immediate costs of investing. They end up taking more risks specifically because the Federal Reserve encourages it with its artificial interest rate adjustments, and when these risks predictably blow up, the bubble bursts. Without the Federal Reserve artificially adjusting interest rates, entrepreneurs would not be taking these risks.

As for how they treat workers, there's no reason why a small government couldn't enforce fair labor laws. We'd have to discuss exactly what that entails, but again, small government =/= letting big business run everything. In fact, since the comparison is to big government, it's easy to see why small government is superior. Big government of the sort we see here has been in bed with big business precisely because it intervenes in the economy. Big government is a player in the economy with its own ability to influence events and outcomes. Big business funds politicians' campaigns, politicians use big government's influence on the economy to the favor of those big businesses who financed their run for office. Small government acts as a referee instead. By staying out of the economy and staying dedicated to staying out of the economy, it keeps itself free from corporate corruption and can fairly enforce labor laws without worrying about its entrenched interests in big business.

I cannot stress enough that small government is not rampant corporatism. What you've historically seen Republicans parroting around is right-wing big government, NOT small government. Big government gets involved in the economy; whether in the interests of business (right-wing) or to combat business (left-wing), it invariably gets involved. Small government does not. Small government is an enforcer, not a player.

The environment is a tricky issue. Let's look at one important thing I've already proposed, first -- the end of corporate welfare. That means no more sweetheart deals for big oil. Oil companies get substantially more government support than clean energy research and development firms; cutting those subsidies advantages clean energy, and does so in a way that also fulfills the libertarian idea of less government intervention in the market. It also removes subsidies for alternative energy that has proven inefficient and is effectively only propped up by government subsidies. For example, ethanol is not economically feasible. Ending corn subsidies for the purpose of ethanol production frees up government money to be used elsewhere and ends the propping up of an unfeasible, not viable energy source. This then allows investors who are still pumping money into the failed-but-still-living government-backed ethanol field to invest in something that might actually work (wind, solar, whatever).

Another environmental issue that can be handled easily by a small government is pollution. There's an easy fix: start treating pollution as a property rights issue, not an environmental issue. Then it's a slam dunk. If a company dumps its shit onto a community, the community takes legal action. It's just like if I were to go carry my trash over to your yard and just dump it there instead of using the trash service in place. There's no question that you would effortlessly win a court case against me for that. Why shouldn't it be the same on a larger scale? The reason we don't see pollution handled this way now is because historically it hasn't been properly enforced as a property rights issue. Start looking at it from that perspective and the remedy is a lot clearer (no pun intended). Hell, there goes a big part of the concern with global warming. If pollution of the air with greenhouse gases starts to be looked at as trashing the local air space (which is conceivably communal property maintained by the governing body that controls the land over which that air resides) instead of simply warming the Earth, then it can be easily handled in courts and keep companies from rampantly contributing to the buildup of greenhouse gases. I don't have a right to desecrate the parade grounds in front of the state Capitol, why should I have the right to desecrate the air around it?

If I'm missing something major then by all means let me know, but libertarianism and the dignity of workers, the safety and maintenance of the environment, and the avoidance of economic bubbles are not only not mutually exclusive -- libertarianism can *promote* these things with sound policy that does not contradict its fundamental principles.
Wait... so Glenn Beck being Glenn Beck (read: moronic) --> Right-wingers <3 terrorists.

...wat
Putin33 (111 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
A large portion of the right has a soft spot for terrorism, yes.
Fair enough. As long as the occasional right-leaning not-moron like myself can avoid being lumped in with their lot (first comment was "the right is all terrorist sympathizers," this one "large portion"), I'm fine. ;)
Putin33 (111 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
There are exceptions to every rule
mapleleaf (0 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
THIS is the Attention-Whore Factor!
Fasces349 (0 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Glen Beck is an idiot and does not represent the views of the right wing.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Sorry, obiwan, but I'm staying the hell away from this thread. This is a troll magnet.
King Atom (100 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Maybe if Glenn Beck wasn't a complete lunatic, he might represent us a little better.
SacredDigits (102 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Glenn Beck's smarter than anyone else here, because Glenn Beck KNOWS he's trolling, and he LOVES the attention it gets him. And the money he makes off it. The negative side is that he never thinks of the repercussions of the trolling. When most people troll, the result is a bit of butthurt. When a person who has become so entrenched in the media trolls, that butthurt can get really extreme.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
SacredDigits + 1
Fasces349 (0 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
But does he know?
SacredDigits (102 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
He definitely knows.
Putin33 (111 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
"Glen Beck is an idiot and does not represent the views of the right wing."

Yet he had the largest rightwing rally in recent memory - 87,000. He also had the 3rd most popular cable news program in America.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
I never said the America tards to the south represent the right either...
Putin33 (111 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Nobody represents the right except you and your eclectic brand of social liberally Canadian nationalism.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
The economist represents the right wing...
krellin (80 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Since all of you anti-conservatives get **soo angry*** with your perceived "ad hominem " attacks, why do you ask Conservatives to post when your very question contains that which you despise: an ad hominem attack? ("...a great crop of crazed posts and threads...") Once again, the hypocrisy you people display is simply amazing.

That being said....I feel compelled to tell you that **in PRIVATE MESSAGE** denis admitted to me that LOWERING tax rates increases tax revenue to the government....

sigh....it is so sad that denis has tiny little child balls and therefore is not brave enough to post his findings to the public. I suspect the same intellectual truth is known to most of you moronic liberals (uh....because the data is there to examine...) but it just flies in
the face of your "punish success because success isn't fair" philosophy.

That's all I'm saying. It should be enough for your crazed liberals to jerk off to for a while. lol (Glad i can amuse you, you political pervs)
Fasces349 (0 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
"denis admitted to me that LOWERING tax rates increases tax revenue to the government...."
Well that is partially true. On the lower class and upper class lower taxes=more revenue but on the middle class higher taxes = revenue

"That's all I'm saying. It should be enough for your crazed liberals to jerk off to for a while. lol (Glad i can amuse you, you political pervs)"
lol
krellin (80 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
So fasces is advocating sticking it to the Middle Class? I defy you to find a party that agrees with that one.

But....since you DO agree that lower taxes on the upper class = More Revenue, then why do you not frequently and openly advocate it? why, depsite the proof of Reagan's tax policy, do liberals consistently insist on attacking the rich, even though it is clear that the desired outcome (less money to spread around) will not be achieved?

Do liberals *really* operate souly on the idea of vengeance? On "hurting" the rich because they feel it is not fair? (Witness Obama, who actually believes that all wealth is built off the backs of slaves and minorities....who, by the way, has never even worked in the private sector and therefore doesn't understand hard work and making a profit by yourself. MOST small businessmen I know and/or have worked for are from families that immigrated AFTER slavery...and built businesses withint he last generation or two....and built is out of garages and small shops. HARDLY on the backs of slaves and minorities...)

Yes...anecdotal evidence from Krellin. Just like Obama's anecdotal stories about where all wealth comes from, which he uses to fire up the blustery nonsense of his army of left-wing loons....

<sigh...> It felt good to get that all out.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
"So fasces is advocating sticking it to the Middle Class? I defy you to find a party that agrees with that one. "
I never advocated it, I just said it has been statically speaking that tax increases on middle class increase revenue while on the poor and rich decreases revenue.

I am in favour of a fixed tax rate :)

"But....since you DO agree that lower taxes on the upper class = More Revenue, then why do you not frequently and openly advocate it?"
Uhh screaming fixed tax rate is cool 1000 times means I don't frequently advocate it???

"why, depsite the proof of Reagan's tax policy, do liberals consistently insist on attacking the rich, even though it is clear that the desired outcome (less money to spread around) will not be achieved?"
Reagans tax policy was shit.

"Do liberals *really* operate souly on the idea of vengeance? On "hurting" the rich because they feel it is not fair?"
Look in the eyes of the poor for a second. As far as they are concerned its not their fault that the rich are actually intelligent and its not their fault that they are retarded. So they feel they deserve an equal share of the pot.

'(Witness Obama, who actually believes that all wealth is built off the backs of slaves and minorities....who, by the way, has never even worked in the private sector and therefore doesn't understand hard work and making a profit by yourself. MOST small businessmen I know and/or have worked for are from families that immigrated AFTER slavery...and built businesses withint he last generation or two....and built is out of garages and small shops. HARDLY on the backs of slaves and minorities...)"
80% of small businesses today have been founded within the last 20 years, I am well aware this helps your argument.

"Yes...anecdotal evidence from Krellin. Just like Obama's anecdotal stories about where all wealth comes from, which he uses to fire up the blustery nonsense of his army of left-wing loons...."
its a shame that some of them left-wing loons have PhD's...
SacredDigits (102 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
I guess I never realized fasces was poor.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
+1 sacred
1brucben (60 D)
27 Jul 11 UTC
DAMN ALL OF YOU RICH LOVING POOR HATING REPUBLICANS! YOU ARE SCREWING THE UNITED STATES! WE MUST DESTROY THE CHINESE!


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thatwasawkward (4625 D(B))
22 Jul 11 UTC
Drunken Diplomacy
I'd like to set up a live game for alcoholics at some point in the future. Every time you gain or lose a SC, you take a shot. Every time the year changes, you take a shot. Every time a nation is eliminated, you chug. The idea is that as the war goes on, you become more and more "drunk" with power... only for real.
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Babak (26982 D(B))
21 Jul 11 UTC
Buckeye Game Fest XII (FTF dip Tournament)
Thursday 13th October 2011 - Sunday 16th October 2011
Columbus, Ohio, United States
Contact: Thomas Haver ([email protected])
Website: http://www.buckeyegamefest.com/
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gigantor (404 D)
25 Jul 11 UTC
Draws vs. Cancels
I just set up my first live game for months, as I have not had a whole lot of spare time recently. However, I was disappointed to see Turkey NMR in Spring 1901, Russia in Autumn and finally Italy in builds. More inside.
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dexter morgan (225 D(S))
22 Jul 11 UTC
An honest question for Christians regarding trinity
Trinity - god being one but three - has always and will always be something that I find impossible to swallow... but, for those who believe in it, it occurred to me that it is a model consistent with other Christian beliefs in a way that I hadn't realized before... I have a question about this...
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Indybroughton (3407 D(G))
26 Jul 11 UTC
A coastal question:
Fleet in Constan; Fleet in Bulg north coast. Can the two swap places:
Con-Bulg south coast; Bulg north coast - Con.
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DIVONICH (100 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
World diplomacy: ask for replacement
World diplomacy: need replacement for USA. Strong position in the game
(gameID=63968)
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Compay (100 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Trying to figure out why this move did not happen
There is a game http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=62164
where in the last move Argentina moved to Carribean from NW Atl. with support from GoW.
Why, oh why did this move fail?
CAn anyone explain it to me?
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binkman (416 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Random country assignment...
I hear there is an equation or something to keep this from happening too often...

...but I'd LOVE to play some other country than Italy. This is the fourth time in a row...
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denis (864 D)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Can you be banned for throwing around insults post after post after post?
Once somebody gets too carried away with the whole childish insults on the forum can they be banned?
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