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g01df1ng3r (2821 D)
22 Feb 11 UTC
How to win WTA games?
In a high-stake WTA games played by rational players (no throwing the game away), how do you go solo?
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Asher Powers (0 DX)
20 Feb 11 UTC
Origins
Who all here attends "Origins" the annual game convention in Ohio?
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guyfromva (100 D)
23 Feb 11 UTC
Builds?
How do I complete the "builds" phase?
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maltizok (787 D)
23 Feb 11 UTC
Dinner For Schmucks
inside
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that1guy13 (100 D)
22 Feb 11 UTC
Quick Question
In a world diplo. game can a fleet in Central America go to the Caribbean sea OR the Northeast Pacific?
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DragonTamerZ (100 D)
23 Feb 11 UTC
Tuesday Night game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=51349
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JetJaguar (820 D)
23 Feb 11 UTC
Terenos was Stupid
Noobs: Learn from their mistake.
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Chester (0 DX)
18 Feb 11 UTC
Meta gamers on this server
I need an admin to stop this meta gamers. They are the user of England an Russia.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=50339
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
12 Feb 11 UTC
Phrase I hate more than anything in diplomacy.
The phrase i hate more than anything else in diplomacy
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
22 Feb 11 UTC
500 D 1 Day Phase Classic Game
Need 2 more players
gameID=50777

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Rancher (1652 D(S))
22 Feb 11 UTC
I Have a Friend in Rome ...
named Biccus Diccus, and that's the name of the game -- if you've got some Ancient Med experience, join up

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=51245
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damian (675 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
EOG statements for: I think we should call it your grave
Well I know this game never really got a proper conclusion I'd be interested in see your thought process and what you figured was happening in the game.
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Bezborodov (775 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
Will the Gadhafi Regime Fall?
Discuss!
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☺ (1304 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
The Top 50 Sci-Fi Shows of all time
http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/114/1143800p5.html

Thoughts? My list is inside.
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
Ruling question
question on a ruling
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DoctorJingles (212 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
New live game
New live game. Starts in 15 minutes, needs 4 to start! gameID=51210
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The Czech (41806 D(S))
20 Feb 11 UTC
Sucking Donkey Dicks is what happens to Noobs who post cheating accusations
Post here to sign up for sucking.
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spartans (0 DX)
21 Feb 11 UTC
advertise you'r games
has anybody realisized martin1561's 15 games he's set up?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
29 Jan 11 UTC
Webdip Face-to-Face Boston Sign-Up
The Deadline has been extended to March 1st!
Where: Boston, MA
When: June 11-12 (With a "fun" game on June 10th)
Cost: $25 (Contact [email protected] for payment info)
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
21 Feb 11 UTC
Akron/Family
Has anyone heard of this band?
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Geofram (130 D(B))
21 Feb 11 UTC
Auto-Refresher for Chrome Users
Live Game enthusiasts, are you tired of spamming f5? Well using this simple bookmark, you can force a single tab to refresh automatically! No installation required.
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aoe3rules (949 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
A sequel to the Cheese War?
TGCW was drawn; good game, everyone. Anyone interested in a rematch?


75 D bet, anonymous, slow gunboat.
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TBroadley (178 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
Notice page?
I remember someone posted a while ago a link to a webDiplomacy page, but I can't find the post. This page had a list of all the private messages and deadline processing on it, but it wasn't the homepage. Does anyone have a link to it?
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joey1 (198 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
Anyone else having trouble with orders not saving
Twice I have change orders, and I am sure that I saved them and then they are not being applied. Anyone else having that issue?
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Leif_Syverson (271 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
Understanding why my orders failed...
In ftf games I've played, when this situation comes up these orders wouldn't fail.. Why did my (brazil's) orders fail here?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=50129&viewArchive=Orders#index3
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hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
GFDT Sucks
The rules encourage players to let someone solo so that they can get a strong second position.
HOW MOTHERFUCKING STUPID IS THAT?
My first and last time I participate in this embarrassment of a tournament.
Shame on whoever designed this shit.
aoe3rules (949 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
That's pretty harsh. It was just supposed to be festive...
trip (696 D(B))
21 Feb 11 UTC
the rules were there before you joined, right?
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
# Solo victory in a game = 36 D
# Participation in a draw = 34/# of players involved in the draw
# Surviving a game = # of SCs you control at the end of the game
a survival with 12 scs is better than a 3 way draw.
Grand Festive Diplomacy my ass
Better call it Grand Fart Diplomacy.
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
trip, I never thought people would adjust their play just to get more GFDT points.
I play all games the same. win or else or else survive.
Those rules encourage people to avoid 3 way draws (or 4way,5way etc) and let someone solo just so that they can get a survival with 12 scs.
I can't think of anything more stupid.
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
21 Feb 11 UTC
Maybe you should just adjust your play? Why do you need to play all the games the same?
aoe3rules (949 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
@Tom Bombadil: because you just should. SotG, you know.
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
yeah adjust my play so that someone else wins. I don't think that's what the rules of the game state. You play to win yourself. It's like participating in a race where 3rd place gives more points that 2nd. That's absurd.
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
21 Feb 11 UTC
I wouldn't join the tourney but if I did I would do what's best for me with regards to my standing in the tourney even if it went against my previous beliefs. Don't the league games pretty much promote metagaming? These tourneys should be treated differently than regular games.

Just playing devils advocate here, I just avoid the tourneys for the reason you give.
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
That's the only tournament with rules problems.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Feb 11 UTC
hellalt,

I understand your frustration and it is felt by others. This was my first year running it and I hadn't heard of any complaints, so I didn't think to change the scoring system. You can be sure that next year (assuming I'm still in charge) there will be a much different system.
Centurian (3257 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
Its a PPSC tournament. Pretty clear to me.
djbent (2572 D(S))
21 Feb 11 UTC
it's basically like PPSC then, no?
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
# Solo victory in a game = 36 D
# Participation in a draw = 34/# of players involved in the draw
# Surviving a game = # of SCs you control at the end of the game

if you participate in a draw you also survive the game.
You should get 34/# of players involved in the draw PLUS # of SCs you control at the end of the game.
Then it would be like PPSC. Now it's something different.
Centurian (3257 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
That is not how ppsc works. If you draw in ppsc the pot is split equally.
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
in ppsc you get zero points for a survival.
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Feb 11 UTC
Incorrect. In PPSC you get the points per supply center (PPSC) times the number of SCs you own. The GFDT is *identical* to PPSC.
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
hmm yeah you are right.
Then I guess it's PPSC that sucks.
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Feb 11 UTC
The one difference between PPSC and GFDT is the 36 D for a win versus 18 SCs of points. Think of GFDT as PPSC with 1 point per SC, but with a bonus for a win.
maltizok (787 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
thats one thing i never really understood is the fact that if you help someone get a solo in PPSC and you also have alot of SC like 15ish then you get more points than you would from drawing depending on how many of the players you killed off. Normally letting someone solo would be bad because you lose points with survives, however in this case you would benefit from it. I play mostly PPSC and i noticed that a long time ago but i still dont let someone take the solo if i have any way to prevent it. survive to me is still a loss even if you did win more points than your bet with it. I take Draw/Win over Survive/Defeat anyday regardless of PPSC or WTA
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Feb 11 UTC
That's why the point farmers play PPSC. They don't need to win or force a draw. Instead they can ride someone's coattails to a strong second and a lot of points. If you don't like that, stop playing PPSC and play WTA, the *real* Diplomacy.
maltizok (787 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
I never said i dont like it, i dont mind that people get points that way i just think its kind of stupid that it works like that. id be fine playing WTA games but i still dont think i'd play Gunboats. I need that communication to stay alive in some circumstances, i cant wait till my world games end so i can start playing long phase games again instead of just live games while i wait for the world ones to end.
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
+1 maltizok for the 1st post. it's like I wrote it myself.
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
I have decided that my principles do not allow me to finish off my last GFDT game.
I REFUSE to play in a tournament that neglects common sense.
if noone is willing to play the rest of the last game for me, I will deliberately go CD cause that's really what my opponents in the game deserve.
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
my last game will result in 2 players who don't deserve it getting into the final.
one player getting a solo he never worked for.
the other player granting him the solo to get 1,666 D-3,666 D more.
so at least 2 out of the 7 players of the final will not be worth of it.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Feb 11 UTC
Well, hopefully you'll have the decency to finish the game. It's not like you were tricked into playing; you were given all the information ahead of time.
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
Decency demands that I don't finish the game.
Principles come first.
Alice in Wonderland and the rabbit hole comes second.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Feb 11 UTC
Well, the choice is yours to make. If you do want to be replaced, please email me so I can find someone. You will not be eligible for the GFDT next year, though.
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
thank god.
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
email sent
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Feb 11 UTC
I got it. I have to say, I'm not sure why you're being such a jackass about all this. This is the third year of the GFDT and the rules were very clearly stated. You can claim to be high-and-mighty all you want, but the reality is that you joined a tournament and quit.
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
Why can't you just admit you were wrong with the rules setting?
These rules encourage foul play.
You can still fix it with a different interpretation of the rules.
Since drawing requires surviving anyone who draw should get the bonus points of number of sc he controls.
I quit cause principles is all I want to keep intact.
I'm a fan of logic and this cup has became absurd to me.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Feb 11 UTC
Because I didn't feel that I should change the tournament immediately after taking it over. I was told how it was done in the past and I was aware of no complaints.
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Feb 11 UTC
@hellalt - I like you dude, but these have been the rules for three years running. And "reinterpretting" them halfway through the tournament is unfair to those of us playing by them. I made it to round 2 on the strength of a strong second that put me above a bunch of people who had three way draws. It's the way it works and you can't change it mid-tournament. Abgemacht said he would look to overhauling them for the next season.
coffeebean (355 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
This has to be your most ridiculous rant ever, hellalt. You claim to be all about principle and logic, then you argue that the rules of the tournament should be changed midway through? Get real. The PPSC format just creates 1 new diplomatic tool for players to use - the offer of the strong second - and it's equally available for use by all. It really isn't very much different from the two strongest powers agreeing to do a 2-way draw. The problem is not with the rules - it's with your in-game persuasiveness. Accept responsibility, man!
texasdeluxe (516 D(B))
21 Feb 11 UTC
@hellalt: You fucking cry-baby. You joined the tournament. Grow a pair and finish it you turd. Just because you're a sooky-la-la and all of a sudden don't agree with the rules, why should other players have to suffer because you can't get down off your high horse. If you're so principled why are you taking your bat and ball and running home to mummy? You make me sick!

(lmao at my own rant!)
maltizok (787 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
WAIT A MINUTE, PAUSE:
wow now i get to see the whole hellalt flippin shit about the tournament turn into all the pissed off players flippin shit on hellalt

*sits back in a big comfy chair with a huge soda and bucket of popcorn...presses play on the forum thread GFDT Sucks.*
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Feb 11 UTC
Actually, only a couple of players have flipped shit at hellalt. I know I didn't, but I consider him a sort of friend here.
maltizok (787 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
@draugnar
the first 2 came pretty quickly one after the other so i was expecting a long stream of complainers to join in now....looks like it might get boring for a while, hopefully things pick back up later on and get interesting again. =)
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
This tournament has really flawed scoring system. Would have been better if it was just plain PPSC, this crazy mess with WTA + center count is absurd on a number of levels.

Clearly it's not ok to change the rules mid-way, though I'd expect most players would be for such a change, as long as it was properly implemented (e.g. before starting the next round).

Hellalt may be overdoing it a bit, but the basis of his rant - that this is not how this game should be played and that the scoring system is illogical - are valid argument.

Hellalt, you should keep playing.
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
too late for that :P
btw I didn't say change the rules, I said interpet them right.
There is a huge difference between those two.

# Solo victory in a game = 36
# Participation in a draw = 34/# of players involved in the draw
# Surviving a game = # of SCs you control at the end of the game

if you participate in a draw you ALSO survive the game
therefore a draw participant should get 34/# of players involved in the draw PLUS # of SCs you control at the end of the game.

anyway I'm out of the tournament and I don't regret it.
hellalt (113 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
btw coffeebean, the scoring system could also be that the one who gets eliminated first gets 100 D while the draw participants get -100 D.
Rules are not necessarily combined with logic.
The fact that I'm the 1st to complain in 3 years only makes me think that some real bad players participate in this tournament.
So there is no place for me there :p
Since it's a PPSC cup I suggest renaming it to NDT aka Noob Diplomacy Tournament :)
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
21 Feb 11 UTC
Well, this scoring system is the reason I didn´t participate in any edition of the GFDT. Encourages the worst tipe of playing.
But if you enter the tournament you should stay until the end, you should have considered the rules before and if you don´t read the small text, well take it as a man and play until the end.
joey1 (198 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
This is the first time that I am participating in the tournament, and I am finding it a very good game so far, lots of Diplomacy and conversations going around.


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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
Top 10 Favorite TV Episodes EVER
Any show.
Any year.
Any order.
If you could take just 10 TV episodes with you to a deserted island, which would they be (and no movies, TV or otherwise!) ;)
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trip (696 D(B))
20 Feb 11 UTC
Draugnar: "words *are* my big stick"
Truer words were never written. Discuss...or not
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Geofram (130 D(B))
21 Feb 11 UTC
PC Modding, Case is Painted
Not sure who the hobbyists around here are or if any of you build/mod your own computers, but hopefully someone gets a kick out of this.
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President Eden (2750 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
*jumps on Draugnar*
"Really? K, every jump on me or whatever. Not really giving a fuck." -The Legend Himself
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