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brainbomb (420 D)
Tue 01 AM UTC
Webdip Fantasy Football Playoffs
Only 6 teams remain
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brainbomb (420 D)
Sat 09 Dec UTC
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Palestine recognizes Texas as part of Mexico
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/12/palestinians-recognize-texas-part-mexico/
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ghug (4232 D (B))
Tue 02 AM UTC
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Thread for Nazis to Spew Racist Bullshit
Make sure not to test if emojis work though. *That's* against the rules.
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captainmeme (484 D Mod)
Tue 01 AM UTC
Thread for testing which emojis work on webdip
pls ignore
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StevenC. (740 D (B))
Thu 07 Dec UTC
President Trump recognizes Jeruselem as the capital of Israel.
What do you guys think? Post predictable replies within.
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Valis2501 (3831 D (G))
Thu 07 Dec UTC
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S U C C C
Anyone have indoor no-sunlight succulent grow lamp general advise / specs?
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Lazy Bones (175 D)
Sun 10 Dec UTC
What Defines A New Player?
Hey everyone i was just browsing the new games to see if there were anything interesting that i could join when i stumbled across a game that had the requirement of 'New Players Only' and i was wondering how to make 'New Player' quantifiable. What is the time between you join till you are considered not a 'New Player.' Or in essence are we all new players?
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Hathkin (41 D)
Sun 10 Dec UTC
Is this a stalemate line?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=209461
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damian (395 D)
Sat 09 Dec UTC
The Ghug Question
Webdip please help us settle an argument, as per his request.
Ghug wants to know if he's a bad bitch or a basic bitch.
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brainbomb (420 D)
Sun 26 Nov UTC
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College Football Playoff Total chaos now
Auburn downs Alabama 26-14, Miami loses to Pitt Friday night
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jmo1121109 (2537 D Mod)
Sat 09 Dec UTC
Question
Does anyone know where I can buy Super High Quality undetectable original money Online? I really need it to buy some nice oil paintings and lamps.
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Sat 09 Dec UTC
Buy Counterfeit banknotes Euro, US Dollar, Pound Whatsapp: +1 (607) 800-4675
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Sat 09 Dec UTC
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captainmeme (484 D Mod)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
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FvA Openings Tier List & Guide
https://captainmeme.wordpress.com/
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Fat backstab (100 D)
Thu 07 Dec UTC
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Ice breaker
How much does a polar bear weigh
Enough to break the ice
Hi I’m Fat Backstab
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Jeff Kuta (2086 D)
Thu 30 Nov UTC
Meanwhile, In Oklahoma...
And some people wonder why others don't trust the police.
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Jamiet99uk (60 D)
Thu 30 Nov UTC
Trump endorses ultra-right UK racist hate group
"Britain First" is a white nationalist organisation active in the UK which promotes violence against Muslims and immigrants, whose founder openly advocated for a "religious war" on the streets of the UK.
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abgemacht (840 D (G))
Tue 28 Nov UTC
BTC about to reach $10k
Anyone else excited?
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Qacper (1340 D)
Wed 06 Dec UTC
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Why it is always German player
That never pushes ready in Gunboat games?
Like every single time if there is a player that saves his orders early on and waits 24 or 36 hours without pressing ready? Is there any rule that you should not slow game down? Or it is up to players if they want to iritate all others by making a retreat in full turn, and then disbanding the same army/fleet just after that in next full turn?
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ND (706 D)
Mon 04 Dec UTC
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Travel Ban
Looks like the Travel Ban is legal. Told everyone! #MAGA
http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/363183-supreme-court-allows-full-trump-travel-ban-to-take-effect
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Yoyoyozo (7536 D)
Wed 06 Dec UTC
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Happy Birthday Bo_sox!!!
One of webdip's Admins, Bo_sox48 is turning 40 today! Help me in saying happy birthday to him!!!
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SkiingCougar (517 D)
Thu 07 Dec UTC
Account sitter for a week?
Hi, I'm going away for a week from tomorrow and won't be able to enter any moves, if anyone is able to log on everyday to my account and enter my moves for me, please message me.
Thanks
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Hellenic Riot (1528 D Mod (G))
Wed 06 Dec UTC
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December GR Updated
http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/theghost-ratingslist
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Yoyoyozo (7536 D)
Thu 07 Dec UTC
Possible cheating loophole.
Is there a congressman I can talk to to run a scenario past about the new proposed tax plan..
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Smokey Gem (123 D)
Thu 07 Dec UTC
Possible cheating loophole.
Is there a mod I can PM to run a senario past..
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ND (706 D)
Wed 29 Nov UTC
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Landslide Victory
If President Trump and the Republicans pass the tax cuts then they are on their way to a landslide 2020 electoral victory (and 2018). Let's get it done! We can and will Make America Great Again!!!! #MAGA
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President Eden (3059 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
More gunboat musings, this time about opening strategy.
I hope some of the many GB players that are better than me have opinions about this, especially if they differ from mine.

I just finished my thoughts on the Western countries, I'll discuss the Eastern ones in a follow-up.
President Eden (3059 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
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England:

England's top priority in the opening turns of the game is survival and Scandinavian or French expansion. If England can get a foothold on the European mainland, she is virtually impossible to kick back out, and will have immense leverage over her neighbors.

England has one logistical concern in the opening year: getting her army in Liverpool onto the European mainland. The army is nice to have on defense if things go south, but it projects no useful offensive force on the island, so convoying it to the mainland in 1901 is important.

England is essentially never getting Belgium in 1901, but wants the capacity to influence Belgium, either to help a desired ally get the province or to ensure no one takes the province in 1901, buying her time to make a play for it herself in 1902.

F London - North Sea
F Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea
A Liverpool - Edinburgh

This moveset gives England the most options in A1901. If Russia is threatening Norway, then you may convoy the army to Norway via North Sea with support from Norwegian Sea. If Russia isn't, then you can convoy your army to Norway and use your fleet in the North Sea to influence Belgium. If you want to get frisky at Germany's expense (say, if Germany moved to Holland instead of Denmark in S1901, and France put two units on Belgium, so you don't have to do anything about Belgium), you could even bounce Germany out of Denmark or Holland without risking your fleet in the North Sea.

As for your initial alliances, Russia is almost always going to be an enemy. At best, you can have peaceful but noncooperative relations. Russia wants Sweden, and Russian players who get Sweden tend to build in St. Petersburg, which will cause you a lot of trouble. And if Russia hasn't been able or willing to do that, it's because she's so tied up with Austria and Turkey that she can't help you get aggressive against Germany. My preferred expansion route as England is into Scandinavia and St. Petersburg, because it's easily held against Germany and Russia, and it's a very solid 2-3 centers you can easily claim.
France is frankly terrifying. If France wants trouble with you, then he will usually beat you, short of heavy German intervention on your behalf. There's just too much space to defend in the North Atlantic + Mid Atlantic + Irish Sea + English Channel area, and losing even a single home center is usually disastrous for England, where France can afford to lose a center without collapsing (again, absent German help). But France can sometimes have issues with Italy or Germany, and sometimes will just prefer working with you to working with Germany. I would not initiate hostilities with France, as that's a fight you often lose if the French player is strong enough or the German doesn't want to help you, but be aware that you are going to need to deal with France at some point.
Germany is your best friend and preferred alliance partner, but good German players are going to be a bit wary of you. I would be aggressive in signaling support for Germany in 1901 (I would almost always support Germany into Belgium for instance), because allying with Germany and beating up France and Russia is by far the best path to an English victory.



France

France's top priority is avoiding a two-front war with his neighbors. France is so flexible and defensible that he can often hold on even in the midst of such a war for a long time, but you'd obviously rather leverage those advantages offensively instead of leaning on them defensively. France should usually build two in 1901 and be able to pick his preferred first target.

France has a few key spaces that it wants to keep empty or French-occupied.

* English Channel: England being in the Channel isn't intrinsically a problem. I would worry if there's also an English army in Wales or London or Belgium, but on its own a fleet can only threaten Brest or Mid-Atlantic, and it can't really keep Brest against a dedicated defense.
* Burgundy: The bad news is that losing Burgundy is an immensely crippling blow to France's defenses. The good news is that Burgundy is almost impossible to take without a very dedicated combination attack from Germany and one other French neighbor.
* Mid-Atlantic Ocean: This is the second soft spot in the French defense. Taking MAO is not easy for England to do if France is vigilant, but losing it is a nightmarish prospect since it borders three French centers that are spread out over four spaces; simply having a garrison in Iberia isn't sufficient to ward off an attack, and it's hard to kick someone back out of Iberia once they get lodged in.
* Gulf of Lyons: The last soft spot in the French underbelly. This one isn't often leveraged against France, but when it is, it really stretches France's defenses thin, because it's really hard to hold off an attack from the Mediterranean and an attack from the north.

F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Paris - Burgundy
A Marseilles S A Paris - Burgundy

This moveset ensures Burgundy will not fall to Germany for nearly the entire game, and it gives you access to both your builds. It's a little weak to pressure in Piedmont or the English Channel, but you can still generally afford to go get your builds and decide from there what to do. If you're left alone then you should be able to pick your first target at your leisure. If you're not left alone, then you should have the resources to go after whoever started problems with you.

France's best first target is generally England, because England's centers will almost certainly have to be captured in a French solo, and England is at her relative weakest compared to France in the early game. France can generally defend himself against Germany quite easily, so fighting England is feasible even if Germany isn't cooperative, as long as you can get the jump on England first.
Germany is a less enticing target. Here the defensibility of the French-German corridor works against you: it's easy to defend Burgundy from attack, but really hard to push past it against a German player who knows what he's doing. Belgium is an integral piece of that puzzle, and you generally need some help from England to really get through. There is much more explosive growth potential if Germany just crumbles, but a decent German defense is usually sufficient to take away the explosive aspect of that growth, which is the main benefit to picking Germany in the first place.
Italy is also an option, and there are certainly gains to be had. Getting a foothold in the Mediterranean early is quite nice as a stepping stone to a solo. However, this can usually only be attempted if you have a friendly England -and- Germany, at which point you would probably be better off picking one of them as a target and getting after it.



Germany

Germany's top priority is getting into 1902 without pissing anybody off. Germany's position is very precarious, as he is just barely able to defend his position with the five units he should normally have at the end of 1901. Losing even a single center during the early turns can lead to complete disaster.

This vulnerability is the downside to Germany's greatest strength, which is his flexibility and abundance of expansion options. Germany starts encircled by a large number of potential enemies, but if he can manage to be patient and avoid the ire of his neighbors through the first year or two, and let his neighbors start picking fights with each other first, then he can usually pick his own battles on his terms and expand safely into a more defensible position.

F Kiel - Denmark
A Berlin - Kiel
A Munich - Ruhr

The interaction between Germany and Russia over Sweden is a critical one in gunboat, just as in full-press. Germany has a wealth of options in full press, since he can communicate to Russia whatever demands he wants, and Russia has little choice but to obey if she wants Sweden. In gunboat, you can't communicate specific demands, so the texture of the interaction is much different. Germany generally needs to move to Denmark to keep open the option of bouncing Russia, if the circumstances merit bouncing.
Without a specific reason to bounce Russia out, like an incursion to Silesia or Prussia, though, I like supporting Russia into Sweden. Bouncing Russia out of Sweden tends to give England a lot of leverage in the area, especially if England doesn't open to the English Channel and can commit all her forces to Scandinavia in A1901. As discussed previously, England is very hard to evict from Scandinavia once entrenched; you might take away all opportunity to secure Scandinavia for yourself as early as A1901 if you haphazardly bounce Russia out of Sweden.
Supporting Russia into Sweden is also an explicit signal of friendship, which ties into your top priority of ensuring that your borders are secure. Russia is desperate for any friend she can get in 1901, and will usually reciprocate the kindness, even if only by staying out of your way. Russia will sometimes even build in St. Petersburg if you give her Sweden, which is sure to start a fight in Scandinavia, which is part of what we want to achieve early on.
Your other moves are pretty standard, your army in Berlin is going to grab Holland to secure a second build. Your army in Ruhr has some leverage over Belgium. I like just blocking England and France out of Belgium and not expressly trying to help either one into Belgium. Resolving the Belgian question removes a potential source of tension between England and France, and we're trying to stoke tensions here to get the guns pointed at somebody else. If you think England and France are likely to bounce each other and you don't want to commit to anything, just support yourself to Holland; it's a conservative line, but a plausible one (it would suck to be bounced out of Holland, after all), which avoids committing to anything or looking grubby for the center yourself.

Germany has a host of viable targets. The catch is that Germany can't really go 1v1 against any of them. This is why stoking tensions in your neighbors matters so much -- your starting position is not only vulnerable to attack from your neighbors but you also lack the ability to project force effectively against them, so you need them distracted in order to get a window.
Ideally, you're going to have England and France bickering about Belgium and maybe the English Channel, and you're going to have England and Russia bickering about Sweden and Norway. This should give you the window either to intervene on behalf of England, or make a move on the North Sea, with France and Russia pulling England's attention in a thousand different directions.
It's hard to recommend a specific target, because you're going to have to read the board and figure out where the conflict zones are, which players are leaving themselves vulnerable to you, etc. before you can know where and how to strike.
I would tend to avoid invading Russia. You can only really get to Warsaw before anybody else, and holding Warsaw and even Moscow can be hard if Turkey or Austria decides they want a piece of the action. If you, and not England, can somehow get most or all of Scandinavia + St. Petersburg, then that's a viable way to attack Russia, since you just have to work on England next to secure yourself. But a march straight east just isn't very profitable.
Long-term, England is scarier to you than France, but allowing France to grow too much from England's demise is just as much of a problem for you as England herself would be. More important than which of those two you eliminate first is doing so in a way which doesn't just profit the other one, because if England or France emerge from their war with the other with more resources than you, you're probably next and that's not a fight you really want.
TheJok3r (613 D)
Mon 04 Dec UTC
I appreciate the effort you put in to making this post. We've definitely discussed most or all of this at even deeper length and generally agree on all points. I'm disappointed this didn't generate any replies. Hopefully it was just missed and not ignored, because I'd love to see this thread be explored and produce some productive conversation.
Claesar (63 D Mod)
Mon 04 Dec UTC
I thought it was an interesting read, just like the other ones. Didn't have anything to say..
Condescension (348 D)
Mon 04 Dec UTC
Great post.
chipo (266 D)
Wed 06 Dec UTC
bump
Yoyoyozo (7536 D)
Wed 06 Dec UTC
I never saw this actually. You probably shouldn’t post anything serious like this so close to thanksgiving. A lot of people are either away, or the ones that hound the forum are either talking about politics or mafia.

I disagree with quite a lot with what you say about England and Germany, and I’ll respond tomorrow since it’s currently 4am right now. Just posting to bump and add the Star next to the thread so it catches my eye
Yoyoyozo (7536 D)
Wed 06 Dec UTC
So I pretty much agree with what was said about France. A two front war early on pretty much spells out France's death, with the exception of fighing GI probably, given the bottleneck in position of attacking france as Italy or Germany. So I'd reword France's priority as trying to find a viable target in Germany or Italy while keeping England on your side, or a target in England while keeping *both* Germany and Italy on your side.


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Smokey Gem (123 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
Chess Computers ?
Has anyone designed a program that plays chess?
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Condescension (348 D)
Wed 06 Dec UTC
Play this game
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WyattS14 (0 D)
Wed 06 Dec UTC
New medium pot gunboat (30 bet per)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=212175
Enjoy
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