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ARNESEN (215 D)
Wed 09 PM UTC
What does Bhm. Sea stand for in the modern map version?
In the modern map, there's a territory named Bhm. Sea. What does that stand for? I always assumed Bohemian Sea though that doesn't exist (and the sea isn't close to Bohemia). Perhaps it is Bornholm Sea (after the Danish island in the Baltic in that area)?
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MadMarx (31659 D (G))
08 Sep 17 UTC
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MadMarx Casual Anonymous Classic France vs Austria Tournament
Details within
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Hellenic Riot (1533 D Mod (G))
Wed 08 Nov UTC
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Winter 1v1 Champions League
The Champions League returns! See inside for details.
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ubercacher16 (238 D)
Mon 13 Nov UTC
Self Interest
Beyond a shadow of a doubt every human being is driven only and fully by their own self interest.
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Hellenic Riot (1533 D Mod (G))
Tue 14 Nov UTC
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Ogion... The Communists were fundamentally opposed to the institution of the church (or temples, in the Chinese case) BECAUSE they were anti-theist. It was literally militant atheism, and it takes some extraordinary revisionism to pretend otherwise.
KingCyrus (532 D)
Tue 14 Nov UTC
Ogion, I think you have me confused with someone else...

You posted about "Christian groups... tend to be populated by righteous assholes." at 0929 EST today. Before that, I had responded once to bo, at 2316 EST last night, and once to ora, at 0847 EST today. At no time before this had I ever mentioned any group of anyone behaving as assholes. After you posted that, *I* responded to *you.*

@Prado, CA, thanks for having my back ;)
orathaic (1009 D (B))
Wed 15 Nov UTC
@"Of course, aorathaic, some of us interpret statements as an attack because they are in fact attacks and we are under constant threat."

Yes, that is fair, there is interesting evidence from genocide watch about the steps where groups become no-persons in the eyes of those planning to commit genocide.

I wonder where Atheists would fall in the US.

@'being derided as inhuman or ammoral' - definitely a warning sign in genocide watch's view.

@KC
'What do you mean by "right?" I am Christian and I don't believe this. Furthermore, most of the Christians I know do not believe this (though some definitely do).'

That you must accept Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour in order to get into heaven.

@'@Orathaic: Do you think all atheists are "arrogant"?'

No, i didn't make that claim, i was being specific to atheists who join atheist organisations...

But given the above, it makes sense that some would seek protection from an organisation where they feel under constant threat.

The atheist i know of are not all atheists.

@'I mean, communist regimes' persecution is the first thing to come to mind, but I really don't want to get into "body counts" as HR said.'

Just as we're talking about groups of atheists coming together to meet. Communists do have something they share, a common belief in Communism. It is entirely possible to be a theistic communist in principle.

But i think we need a better way of categorizing people. Those who strongly belief in something (nationalism, communism, or a religion, etc.) are a separate from the group of people without a creed to follow and sacrifice themselves for.

People might die trying to promote their beliefs, but people without such strong convictions will never do so.

Whether that is high-jacking a plane and flying it into a building, or throwing a grenade at the open topped car of a visiting archduke... There is a clear difference in behaviour between those who have a strong enough belief that they go out and act on it, and those who do not.

I would argue that Communists are not a sub-set of atheists in this sense. They have a specific political ideology which supersedes any lack of belief. The group of atheists are mostly people who just happen to lack a belief in god/gods. As i mentioned, having little to no reason for getting together and meeting up - unless persistent persecution gives them a shared experience and they can meet up to support one-an-other...

I think your characterizing Communists, and Soviet Communists specifically, in this way as 'atheists' is only useful to further demonise atheists in your own country who have specifically NOT suppressed Christians.

It is also a mis-categorization, like me deciding to categorise all pagan, muslims, hindus, satanists and christians under one umbrella 'theists' group (which they quiet clearly are) - this is correct but not useful. Unless i wanted to tell you how bad theists are, because Nazi's Germany murdered a bunch of people, and Hitler was definitely either a Christian, or interested in revived German Paganism...

Just because something is true, doesn't mean it is a useful perspective to hold.

Now if your goal is to demonise atheists, to question their humanity, to eventually be able to justify a purging of all atheists... then sure. You're doing a fine job there. Otherwise...
Ogion (5038 D)
Wed 15 Nov UTC
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@KingCyrus, my apologies, you're entirely 100% correct. It was Orathaic who came out with that lovely bit of bigotry. My apologies.
KingCyrus (532 D)
Wed 15 Nov UTC
@ ora

"That you must accept Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour in order to get into heaven."

This is not what I believe. I rather like the imagery used by CS Lewis in his book, The Last Battle to describe this:

“… there came to meet me a great Lion... Then I fell at his feet and thought, Surely this is the hour of death… But the Glorious One bent down his golden head and touched my forehead with his tongue and said, Son, thou art welcome. But I said, Alas, Lord, I am no son of Thine but the servant of Tash. He answered, Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me… Not because he and I are one, but because we are opposites, I take to me the services which thou hast done to him, for I and he are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him. Therefore if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath's sake, it is by me that he has truly sworn, though he know it not, and it is I who reward him. And if any man do a cruelty in my name, then, though he says the name Aslan, it is Tash whom he serves and by Tash his deed is accepted.”
KingCyrus (532 D)
Wed 15 Nov UTC
Not a problem Ogion, I've been called worse ;)
Crazy Anglican (261 D)
Wed 15 Nov UTC
+1 Ogion
orathaic (1009 D (B))
Wed 15 Nov UTC
@Ogion, yes, i believe i made that claim about atheist groups. And have since acknowledged that they may also form to protect themselves from
discrimination.

But i don't believe we have any evidence of that. Is anyone here part of an atheist group? (Like Atheist Ireland, which i sometimes see talking about religious discrimination in Ireland, and what the law says).


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flash2015 (416 D (G))
Mon 13 Nov UTC
When Is The New Forum Going Live?
I had a quick look at the forum a while ago. It looked good to me. Any idea when it may go live? On a completely unrelated note - any chance we may turn SSL on for the site?
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steephie22 (182 D (S))
Fri 10 Nov UTC
Identification Methods
For a story I'm writing, I need an adult who has lost his memory to not be easily identifiable. How do I make this feasible?
For instance, I expect the Dutch government to have the fingerprints of Dutch citizens. Do legal immigrants or people with a refugee status have their fingerprints taken as well? Would illegal immigrants or tourists from countries that don't take fingerprints make for a solid storyline? Are there other options?
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damian (351 D)
Fri 10 Nov UTC
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Daily Qur'an Thread
In which we discuss passages from the Qur'an each day.
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mmcconkie (60 D)
Fri 10 Nov UTC
Known World 901 - Playable?
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm fairly new around here. I'm looking through the variant maps, and I see one that looks like a lot of fun, the Known World 901 map. On the Variants page, it lists it as active, but when I go to create a new game I don't see it as an option to select.
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brainbomb (62 D)
Sun 12 Nov UTC
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An open discussion about elaborate ways to restore reliability rating
I was thinking how there are members on this site who ruined their Reliability early and can never restore it to the 90th %tile. What if we did a series of experiments on these people. Hook them up to machines. Or perhaps put them in a room full of rats and see if they survive. The goal being we develop a way that someone could go from a 13% RR to a mighty 78%
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DemonOverlord (554 D)
Thu 02 Nov UTC
3 more unranked gunboat games
Help me get better at gunboat again
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Fluminator (496 D)
Thu 09 Nov UTC
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America appreciation thread.
I love the United States. I wish I lived there. Let's talk about how nice of a place it is.
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Jamiet99uk (60 D)
Tue 07 Nov UTC
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I achieved a thing
I got my final results for my Master's degree that I've been doing part-time for the past two years* today.
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brainbomb (62 D)
Fri 10 Nov UTC
Democrats are in deep trouble!
LOL! They keep talking about Russia and indictments and the latest wave of wins in virginia. But what about the civil war? What about Jimmy Carter?
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Valis2501 (3591 D (G))
Thu 09 Nov UTC
SJ Whipping F2F Diplomacy 2018!
It's finally here everyone, the day you've been waiting for! SJ Whipping 2018 is back for another year!
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Valis2501 (3591 D (G))
Thu 09 Nov UTC
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Cascadia Open F2F Diplomacy 2018!
Vancouver baby!
https://www.meetup.com/Pacific-Northwest-Diplomacy/events/242801707/
https://www.facebook.com/events/887382088062452/
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Matalienados (55 D)
Tue 07 Nov UTC
Español
Hola amigos, podemos formar un grupo con nuestra lengua materna, para competir
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yavuzovic (150 D)
Fri 10 Nov UTC
Why did I cut chatting
I was writing post to Daily Qur'an Thread...
Did you remember my thread about mice in the dormitory?
A mouse run to another bed from under my bed.
Shit, I can't sleep more!
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Ezio (1432 D Mod)
Sat 11 Nov UTC
spring 1901
Which single move do you think has the most drastic impact on the game in 1901?
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dargorygel (355 D Mod (G))
Fri 10 Nov UTC
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Big News (for me) on a slow Forum Friday Morning
Friday mornings seem an inactive time on webDiplomacy. So I can announce that my daughter is in labor. Hooray! (which also means I am officially old. Boo!!)
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Crazy Anglican (261 D)
Sat 11 Nov UTC
Happy Armistice Day
Happy Veterans Day in the USA!

99 years ago today this horrific war we like to recreate in bloodless speech ended :-)
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CommanderByron (654 D (S))
Sat 11 Nov UTC
#MeToo
There’s enough vile people on here I think this conversation would be fun to watch.
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LeonWalras (665 D)
Tue 07 Nov UTC
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We need extensive background checks
before people are allowed to shitpost on the forum.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
Fri 10 Nov UTC
Alabama GOP
Please go away.

-Sincerely, Everyone
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Smokey Gem (168 D)
Thu 09 Nov UTC
Is it possible that human kind will ever live in peace. ?
We all want it that incredible vast majority. o why do we do what we do . How can we be so benovolent and violent at thesame time?
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CommanderByron (654 D (S))
Wed 08 Nov UTC
Curiosity: Coloreds
Why are the countries colored differently than the original board? anyone with insight, not complaining just curious.
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swordsman3003 (9797 D (G))
Fri 10 Nov UTC
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hypothetical changes to classic map
Ideas I have had that I thought might improve balancing. Not saying that I would advocate for all of these; they're just ideas I think about sometimes.
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damian (351 D)
Wed 08 Nov UTC
48 Hour Full Press. GR 250+
Does anyone want to play a game?
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brainbomb (62 D)
Wed 08 Nov UTC
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After how many times Jurassic Park has failed why is there still investors?
How many times has this place failed or expeditions to it have failed? Seems like the liability lawsuits alone wouldve ensured that park wouldnt have ever been remade.
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Randomizer (151 D)
Tue 07 Nov UTC
It's easier to get a gun, than ….
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/health/getting-gun-ease-trnd/index.html

In the wake of the last two mass shootings, I didn't know that I would have a harder time buying a puppy than a gun. There are even more restrictions to join Diplomacy.
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LeonWalras (665 D)
30 Oct 17 UTC
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Daily MARX
In celebration of recent forum breakthroughs, I thought we'd bring back the daily Marx thread. Post your Marx quotes here.
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