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ubercacher16 (453 D)
13 Nov 17 UTC
Self Interest
Beyond a shadow of a doubt every human being is driven only and fully by their own self interest.
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flash2015 (432 D (G))
13 Nov 17 UTC
When Is The New Forum Going Live?
I had a quick look at the forum a while ago. It looked good to me. Any idea when it may go live? On a completely unrelated note - any chance we may turn SSL on for the site?
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steephie22 (182 D (S))
10 Nov 17 UTC
Identification Methods
For a story I'm writing, I need an adult who has lost his memory to not be easily identifiable. How do I make this feasible?
For instance, I expect the Dutch government to have the fingerprints of Dutch citizens. Do legal immigrants or people with a refugee status have their fingerprints taken as well? Would illegal immigrants or tourists from countries that don't take fingerprints make for a solid storyline? Are there other options?
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damian (675 D Mod)
10 Nov 17 UTC
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Daily Qur'an Thread
In which we discuss passages from the Qur'an each day.
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mmcconkie (112 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
Known World 901 - Playable?
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm fairly new around here. I'm looking through the variant maps, and I see one that looks like a lot of fun, the Known World 901 map. On the Variants page, it lists it as active, but when I go to create a new game I don't see it as an option to select.
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brainbomb (456 D)
12 Nov 17 UTC
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An open discussion about elaborate ways to restore reliability rating
I was thinking how there are members on this site who ruined their Reliability early and can never restore it to the 90th %tile. What if we did a series of experiments on these people. Hook them up to machines. Or perhaps put them in a room full of rats and see if they survive. The goal being we develop a way that someone could go from a 13% RR to a mighty 78%
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Durga (791 D)
02 Nov 17 UTC
3 more unranked gunboat games
Help me get better at gunboat again
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Fluminator (511 D)
09 Nov 17 UTC
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America appreciation thread.
I love the United States. I wish I lived there. Let's talk about how nice of a place it is.
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Jamiet99uk (100 D)
07 Nov 17 UTC
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I achieved a thing
I got my final results for my Master's degree that I've been doing part-time for the past two years* today.
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brainbomb (456 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
Democrats are in deep trouble!
LOL! They keep talking about Russia and indictments and the latest wave of wins in virginia. But what about the civil war? What about Jimmy Carter?
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Valis2501 (3672 D (G))
09 Nov 17 UTC
SJ Whipping F2F Diplomacy 2018!
It's finally here everyone, the day you've been waiting for! SJ Whipping 2018 is back for another year!
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Valis2501 (3672 D (G))
09 Nov 17 UTC
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Cascadia Open F2F Diplomacy 2018!
Vancouver baby!
https://www.meetup.com/Pacific-Northwest-Diplomacy/events/242801707/
https://www.facebook.com/events/887382088062452/
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Matalienados (102 D)
07 Nov 17 UTC
Español
Hola amigos, podemos formar un grupo con nuestra lengua materna, para competir
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yavuzovic (299 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
Why did I cut chatting
I was writing post to Daily Qur'an Thread...
Did you remember my thread about mice in the dormitory?
A mouse run to another bed from under my bed.
Shit, I can't sleep more!
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Ezio (668 D Mod)
11 Nov 17 UTC
spring 1901
Which single move do you think has the most drastic impact on the game in 1901?
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dargorygel (320 D Mod (G))
10 Nov 17 UTC
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Big News (for me) on a slow Forum Friday Morning
Friday mornings seem an inactive time on webDiplomacy. So I can announce that my daughter is in labor. Hooray! (which also means I am officially old. Boo!!)
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Crazy Anglican (277 D)
11 Nov 17 UTC
Happy Armistice Day
Happy Veterans Day in the USA!

99 years ago today this horrific war we like to recreate in bloodless speech ended :-)
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CommanderByron (564 D Mod (S))
11 Nov 17 UTC
#MeToo
There’s enough vile people on here I think this conversation would be fun to watch.
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LeonWalras (665 D)
07 Nov 17 UTC
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We need extensive background checks
before people are allowed to shitpost on the forum.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Nov 17 UTC
Alabama GOP
Please go away.

-Sincerely, Everyone
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Smokey Gem (210 D)
09 Nov 17 UTC
Is it possible that human kind will ever live in peace. ?
We all want it that incredible vast majority. o why do we do what we do . How can we be so benovolent and violent at thesame time?
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CommanderByron (564 D Mod (S))
08 Nov 17 UTC
Curiosity: Coloreds
Why are the countries colored differently than the original board? anyone with insight, not complaining just curious.
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swordsman3003 (9891 D Mod (G))
10 Nov 17 UTC
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hypothetical changes to classic map
Ideas I have had that I thought might improve balancing. Not saying that I would advocate for all of these; they're just ideas I think about sometimes.
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damian (675 D Mod)
08 Nov 17 UTC
48 Hour Full Press. GR 250+
Does anyone want to play a game?
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brainbomb (456 D)
08 Nov 17 UTC
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After how many times Jurassic Park has failed why is there still investors?
How many times has this place failed or expeditions to it have failed? Seems like the liability lawsuits alone wouldve ensured that park wouldnt have ever been remade.
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Randomizer (31 D)
07 Nov 17 UTC
It's easier to get a gun, than ….
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/health/getting-gun-ease-trnd/index.html

In the wake of the last two mass shootings, I didn't know that I would have a harder time buying a puppy than a gun. There are even more restrictions to join Diplomacy.
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LeonWalras (665 D)
30 Oct 17 UTC
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Daily MARX
In celebration of recent forum breakthroughs, I thought we'd bring back the daily Marx thread. Post your Marx quotes here.
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damo666 (161 D)
09 Nov 17 UTC
Players Ranks
How are these determined? Compare these two: a) Played 25 Defeated 7 (28%) Won 2 (8%) Drawn 11 (44%) Survived 5 (20%) Rank EXPERIENCED b) Played 21 Defeated 6 (29%) Won 4 (19%) Drawn 4 (19%) Survived 7 (33%) Rank POLITICAL PUPPET. Just wondering.....
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HBbuc (113 D)
30 Oct 17 UTC
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Hypothetical scenario
Hypothetical scenario: Get rid of Gender pronouns and call everyone and everyone and everything "it" and other variations of that.

Your thoughts?
StevenC. (1040 D (B))
30 Oct 17 UTC
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But, why?
Fluminator (511 D)
30 Oct 17 UTC
I'm all on board with people changing their genders to be the other one, but I'm still on the fence of the belief 32 genders exist or whatever the number is. But I mean, I'd be willing to call them it if that's what they want.
Ogion (4804 D)
30 Oct 17 UTC
Sure why not. Many languages already do
KansasBoyd (25 D X)
30 Oct 17 UTC
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Won't work.

Some overly righteous and pompous snowflake will still get offended
JamesYanik (548 D)
30 Oct 17 UTC
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@Ogion

actually, many other languages are SO gendered, the endings of many words are extremely dependent on genders.


however, I'll pose this question:

are "he" and "she" referring to gender, or sex? At the time they were created, the two were nearly synonymous with minor differences.

in the modern era of "gender identity," the definition of gender has essentially become synonymous with personality.

the only difference is individuals can't change tie personality on a whim by calling it something else, and also if someone sees you as more or less arrogant than you see yourself, you don't get massively offended and call that person transphobe.

-- I am separating this issue from transexualism, which is a very different matter in regards to pronouns --

because gender "apparently" has zero relation to sex now, all i propose is that they are now pronouns that correspond to one's sex.

He is referring to the male sex (those who carry the SRY gene) and She is referring to the female sex (those who do not carry the SRY gene)


in other news, the word gender has lot all importance. what gender you identify as is equally important as what personality you identify as. the subjective view of your personality by others is also matched by the subjective view of your personality.


see how nothing changed when you disconnect gender from sex? reality is reality, and these dumb little definitions are getting us nowhere
MajorMitchell (969 D)
30 Oct 17 UTC
Wouldn't it be of more use to simplify all verbs, so that they didn't have to change for different tenses..eg past present & future, or change like French ( & english ) verbs depending on association with, me, you, him her, them etc.
Is your suggestion intended to apply to semi literate speakers of "pidgin" English like those wascally webellious blighters from the North American colonies ?
MajorMitchell (969 D)
30 Oct 17 UTC
What are the variations of "that" ? shat ? is that the past tense of shit ? Is shit a variation of it ? Or a hybrid of she & it ? Like the masculine hybrids hitim & shitim ?
Ogion (4804 D)
30 Oct 17 UTC
MM. English is already a pidgin, or rather a Germanic- Franco creole. It has a vastly simplified grammar compared to either.

And the language you are looking for in mandarin. No genders to the pronouns and no conjugations. Estonian also has nongendered third person pronouns, and by some bizarre turn, it's the same non gendered pronoun in both malfuages
Ogion (4804 D)
30 Oct 17 UTC
Languges
StevenC. (1040 D (B))
30 Oct 17 UTC
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I speak spanish and spanish is an extremely gendered language. Every noun in Spanish is considered to have either masculine or feminine gender for grammatical purposes.
Stressedlines (1884 D)
31 Oct 17 UTC
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Most INdo-European languages are very gendered English is one of the few that is not, I think. I would have to check on Iranian and the Indian dialects, but in Europe I think there is 3 or 4 that dont use genders?

All the Romantics certainly do, I think all the Germanics do, except English? Slavics do (at least Russian does)
Deeply_Dippy (406 D)
31 Oct 17 UTC
Languages evolve over time to reflect the society that is using it. If so, it does not require anyone to make artificial and forced changes to it - which won't work anyway unless all users comply. Given that most people learn their native tongue extremely early in life (and then only accept relatively minor changes to it, such as new vocabulary) change is invariably slow.

To try and make a sweeping change reminds me of Orwellian newspeak - a fictional language created for social control. I wouldn't want to support that.
Smokey Gem (210 D)
31 Oct 17 UTC
Yeah man .Thats a cool idea dude ,

To my fellow Hu-its , the future of it-kind is under threat by its continual use of fossil fuels . (Or is fossils offensive and we should say age impaired)

Language naturally evolves

Girls used to refer to very young children so the term " You throw like a girl did not mean female it meant like a smnall child. Males children used to be dressed in pink and females or fe-its as you prefer in blue. So the point is get your head out of your unshaven hippy ass and take things in context and as how they are meant and intended.
Smokey Gem (210 D)
31 Oct 17 UTC
Killer " Somebody Told Me " classic song.
JECE (1322 D)
06 Nov 17 UTC
In my early years on the phpDip/webDip Forum I called users 'it' until I knew their gender. As I put it in May 2010, "I use 'it' to refer to indetermanite on-line genders."
CAPT Brad (2521 D (B))
06 Nov 17 UTC
then what do i call cousin it? what about the knights who say ni?!?
jason4747 (114 D)
06 Nov 17 UTC
Austin Powers test: does it have bits and pieces? Wedding tackle? Twig and berries? Meat and potatoes?

Is it sounds Fahjah?
orathaic (1009 D (B))
06 Nov 17 UTC
I don't know why you'd use it when we already have a perfectly good gender neutral pronoun for people; singular they is in pretty common use, more convienent than the he/she alternative.

Like imagine you are out with a friend but don't want your parents to suspect you've been kissing said friend, you say something like 'oh yeah, i met up with them and we had coffee and saw that film everyone's been raging about'

Referring to them as him/her is really obvious and draws attention to the thing you're trying to hide...
Ogion (4804 D)
07 Nov 17 UTC
Bingo
Ogion (4804 D)
07 Nov 17 UTC
How about calling people what they want to be called and not getting your undies in a knot bing upset that other people aren't you?
KansasBoyd (25 D X)
07 Nov 17 UTC
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Calling people want they want to be called? Sweet!

From this point forward I wish to be called “Better than Ogion in every conceivable way”

Done.

No one should get their undies in a bunch over that, right?
ghug (3734 D Mod (B))
07 Nov 17 UTC
"Some overly righteous and pompous snowflake will still get offended"

It's self-aware!

"actually, many other languages are SO gendered, the endings of many words are extremely dependent on genders."

And others have no grammatical gender, which is what he was saying. And others have three, or four, or six.

Grammatical gender is really just about classes of nouns. It happens that a lot of languages, especially Indo-European ones, have two and male and female are in different ones, which makes that an easy way to distinguish them (and is in fact the source of our using the word "gender" outside of the linguistic context in the first place). You don't have to look that far even in the Indo European languages to see that grammatical gender isn't a direct correspondence to what we think of as gender. Young girl (Madchen) is neuter in German. Most (all?) Romance languages have the genders "backwards". The existence of neuter itself throws a wrench in things. Latin has two ways of classifying nouns, one of which has simply been named declension for clarity. I could go on. Outside of Indo European, you find several languages whose genders are "animate" and "inanimate", and others with many more that don't have any real semantic meaning.

As for the issue at hand, I don't think there's much point in trying to force linguistic change. Just look at the joke that is L'Academie Francaise. You could try to make it happen, and it may be nobly motivated, but it won't work. There are a couple Germanic languages that have kept a neuter gender while losing the masculine/feminine distinction, which suggests to me that it could happen naturally (though I'm not sure if they've kept gendered pronouns and occasional words while losing grammatical gender in the way we have). I think it's pretty easy to just call someone by their preferred pronouns and leave it at that, even if it doesn't sound particularly natural to you. If that's a real issue for you, it's probably because you're uncomfortable with the idea more than the language.
TooCoolSunday (202 D)
07 Nov 17 UTC
My problem is with the language. I am okay with language changing over time; I think it's why English works so well around the world. But there are uses of English that disturb me so much that the meaning of the text is lost momentarily while my attention is focused on it. The now classical 'your' and 'you're', the horrendous 'could of' and anytime someone says they are 'loving' their meal. Losing he and she would just add to my grumpy old man stance.
Ogion (4804 D)
07 Nov 17 UTC
Well, I appreciate a good grumpy old man stance, that's for sure.
JECE (1322 D)
09 Nov 17 UTC
I've always wondered about the history of genders in Romance languages. In Spanish, a group of people of mixed sex/gender is referred to with masculine pronouns and adjectives. Is it fair for me to defend Spanish by saying that there are really just neuter and feminine genders in the language, with no masculine gender at all? Or is that a bastardization of the language's history?


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Thaneofwhiterun (1266 D)
07 Nov 17 UTC
Where did everybody go?
I feel so lonely, I can't even start up a 1v1 game...
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