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Smokey Gem (210 D)
11 Sep 17 UTC
Game cant support hold or move yourself.Modern
Hi, game ID one rule you cant support hold or support move yourself.

gameID=206190
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
10 Sep 17 UTC
The Shock Doctorine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine

Has anyone read this?
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brainbomb (456 D)
10 Sep 17 UTC
Detroit Lions destroy evil Arizona
LIONS ARE SLAUGHTERING ARIZONA. finally!!! We lose to them every freaking time
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cspieker (15390 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
New game up Tourney Simulator II
New game up. Sign up. Could be fun.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=205982
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Uljanow (0 D X)
09 Sep 17 UTC
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About the two messed up Live games this evening
Game got cancelled before I could thank you guys for trying to set up some great games twice. We had some hell of bad luck but I had fun nontheless. Chatting with you was quite amusing.
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CAPT Brad (2699 D (B))
07 Sep 17 UTC
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Thank You For The Thankless Hardwork
I want to thank the mods for clearing up some old dead games. The list of games fell from 67 to 55 pages.
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The Ambassador (149 D)
06 Sep 17 UTC
(+3)
New podcast segment: webDippers speak up!
We're introducing a new segment to the podcast. Have your say (more below)...
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Peregrine Falcon (1531 D (B))
09 Sep 17 UTC
Advertise Live Games Here
Please use this thread, and this thread only to advertise for upcoming live games. That way, it's easier to find people for new live games, without flooding the forum with threads.
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Ethanol (1790 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
Points per SC
Some years ago i've played webdiplo and shortly I came back to this page.
I see that the Pot is now devided allways as a winner takes all. What were the reasons for this change?
Ethanol (1790 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
In the past there was the version that one got Points per SC. So ofcourse the winner got more than half of the pot. But any survivor could win something. Thus, a second place was not that bad at all. It was possible to find an allied in the beginning and keeping this alliance up to the end. Usually by luck one of the both got a little ahead and had the Win of the game at the end. But the second did not fancy stopping him or bind him into a stalemate with a third partner- who was an enemy before- for a draw.
Claesar (776 D Mod)
07 Sep 17 UTC
I can't remember the exact reasons, but it has been replaced by Sum of Squares. It's like Points per SC, but it uses a formula that rewards bigger nations more.
Mercy (1567 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
Sum of Squares is not like PPSC, as the winner of a Sum of Squares-game still gets the whole pot. It is only in case of a draw that the Sum of Squares scoring comes into play.

PPSC got removed from the site because people thought that more interesting play would arise when players would not be rewarded for a survival. You can still win with your ally/allies in the current scoring systems. You just have to draw with them.
captainmeme (849 D Mod)
07 Sep 17 UTC
PPSC was backwards - it didn't count supply centers in the case of a draw, so it was often more rewarding for larger players to throw a solo than to draw, even in a 3-way draw. No other scoring system does that, because it provides really terrible conflicting objectives - C-Diplo is what PPSC should have been, scoring SC counts even in the case of a draw.

However, all scoring systems have been changed to WTA to reflect the original design of the game.
ishirkmywork (1199 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
Let's not start this again.
MajorMitchell (960 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
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The reason, imho.. Totalitarianism of the winner takes all brigade
brainbomb (456 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
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Blame Al Swearengen
Ethanol (1790 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
Okay i see the problematic with the draw. But this could have changed with the Sum o Sq rule for the draw while PPSC runs for the win. Even if the Sum o Sq would have been applied for the PPSC win case (so even more than 18/34 *pot).

But i do not really get why its completely vanished. ishirkmywork - i wanted to know why it has changed and not propose to get it back as i guess you guys know better.
Zybodia (355 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
Basically, there are still plenty of people here who support it, but not at the level of the moderation team or higher, so people have complained about its removal for years, but it will not be coming back.
ishirkmywork (1199 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
@Ethanol every couple of months someone starts a PPSC thread and the rage builds for awhile before it goes away again. Your post is just another rotation in the crushing wheel of time.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
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PPSC also encouraged bad behavior by players to encourage a "strong second" as an alliance. Anyone could ally with a player who was approaching the victory condition and still get points for helping someone else solo. This is antithetical to everything Diplomacy is about. Allan Calhamer said as much in various articles.
MajorMitchell (960 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
Rubbish. Winner takes all.encouraged me to simply quit games rather than keep fighting. Of course if there was genuine freedom of choice a form of non wta would be a non default option. But those in control have decreed it to be how it is. Simple totalitarianism.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
07 Sep 17 UTC
It was decided to remove it, i believe to push for a change in behaviour by forcing people to play the other (superior, imo) scoring systems.

I believe the intention was to bring it back later once a majority of players had gotten used to the new style of play, though don't quote me on this.

The decision that we can have a better culture within the site by cultivating desirable play-styles; it is hard to change attitudes, and i don't know if ppsc players feel excluded or forcing them is a good method for changing atitudes. But it is what it is.
Yoyoyozo (216 D Mod)
07 Sep 17 UTC
(+1)
It was removed because it turned out to be a variant of actual Diplomacy that added little to no interest to the game. It's still available on vdiplomacy.
CAPT Brad (2699 D (B))
07 Sep 17 UTC
and that's the truth, pfffffbb***
Peregrine Falcon (1531 D (B))
07 Sep 17 UTC
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(This is not the view of the mod team)

Part of the reason was to bring webDiplomacy into line with the rest of the hobby. Rewarding players for allowing others to solo is a practise that has never appeared anywhere else than webDip (and by extension, vDip). Because of the lack of representation anywhere else, it actually often turned long standing diplomacy fans away. If we want to become the beat place to play online diplomacy, sacrificing SWS/PPSC seemed like a necessary step.


CAPT Brad (2699 D (B))
07 Sep 17 UTC
and that's the truth, pfffffbb***
Ethanol (1790 D)
08 Sep 17 UTC
I see. Its an interesting view.
To me its not allways allowing others to solo. For example if you are able to develop a trustfull relationship between Austria and Italy and one of them goes ahead the other - in WTA you grudge the solo and try to force your allied into a draw - or you loose it and the player wins anyway by taking your territories. For the case of PPSC it is not like handing a solo i think its more like to deign the Victory while the secondary partner worked well.

If this topic is comming up again and again why don't you put it to the FAQ page?
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
08 Sep 17 UTC
"Rubbish. Winner takes all.encouraged me to simply quit games rather than keep fighting."

Yeah, well if you feel encouraged to quit games, that's on you.

Now we have reliability ratings to rightfully discourage that sort of behavior.
MajorMitchell (960 D)
08 Sep 17 UTC
That was one of my points about having an optional non wta scoring system Ethanol. Loyal kingmakers get a reward. WTA encourages distrust between two successful allies as it approaches endgame and encourages a backstab. Is the philosophy "success from cooperation shared" or "success from manipulation and exploitation, and rewards not shared but expropriated by the player prepared to be the most selfish" ?
Plus I see an inconsistency, totalitarianism on one side..It's only WTA, or non ranked, and on the other side " we could have WTA (DSS & SoS) non ranked, and a form of SoS that was not WTA " so one side, the WTA side is imposing "it's our preference or nothing" and the other side is suggesting " it's your preference and our preference as choices, and your preference can be the default setting"
Essentially it's been decided, perhaps unfairly in some members view, but there it is. It would be nice if some of the "winners" in the debate could refrain from indulging in occasional revisionism.
MajorMitchell (960 D)
08 Sep 17 UTC
@JK what's with the "CD snobbery" ? Civil Disorder is part of the game, it's specifically catered for in the rules of the original board game, with no mention anywhere in those rules of any penalty against a player who puts his country into Civil Disorder.
And in real life, in WW1, one of the major participants, Russia effectively withdrew from the war as a result of the Communist revolution. Yet the remaining allies, Great Britain and France went on to win that war.
What's the next step ? Punishing incompetence or unconventional strategies ? I'd suggest that this "CD snobbery" is a form of political correctness.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
08 Sep 17 UTC
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In real life, you're a selfish jerk if you intentionally CD a game that is not going your way for whatever reason. If a hurricane destroys your home or you have a death in your family or if the Bolsheviks seize power in Petrograd, you get a free pass. Otherwise, live up to your responsibilities and be a reliable human being.


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dargorygel (320 D Mod (G))
08 Sep 17 UTC
Replacements for CDs
This game has four willing players... three others stopped playing. Not bad positions.
Please consider joining.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=204099#gamePanel
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AdmiralGeneral (100 D)
16 Aug 17 UTC
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Imperatorum Syndicate
I am forming a group of players who are intelligent and committed to participate is a sort of WebDip league.

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Ogion (4699 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
Conservatives' edumacated people iz so stooped thread
We get it. You hate smart people and those who have made the effort to educate themselves. Scientists and scholars are so elite and are all prize idiots and are nothing compared to the brilliance of high school drop outs from the "heartland".
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KansasBoyd (25 D X)
29 Aug 17 UTC
University Professor fired over tweet
A University of Tampa Sociology professor was fired after tweeting Hurricane Harvey was karma for Texas for voting for Trump.

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acamer4 (867 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
oh no!
now that it's about to be canceled is it safe to post gameID=204936 on the forum and speculate wildly about who was cheating??
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The Ambassador (149 D)
06 Sep 17 UTC
Latest podcast episode: interview with Captainmeme
Hi webDippers

In the latest podcast episode of DiplomacyGames we interview Captainmeme, talk about how to create a Dip variant and introduce a new segment: Pet Peeves, which I'll post separately on.
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jengamaster (1813 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
Biggest game of all time?
Would it be appropriate/allowable to have commentary on the biggest game of all time? I ask because it is an anon gunboat game. But it seems like the type of game people could learn from like school of war.
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jengamaster (1813 D)
07 Sep 17 UTC
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Three build Turkey or Four Build Russia in 01
Have you ever seen this rare beast in a game that was not marred by NMR? If so, how did it come to pass? And how well did that country do in the long run?
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peterwiggin (14708 D (S))
06 Sep 17 UTC
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Mod team personnel announcement
Socrates Dissatisfied has decided to step down from the moderator team. Please join me in thanking him for his service.

Szpoti has agreed to join the mod team. Please join me in thanking him for his dedication to the site and willingness to volunteer.
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captainmeme (849 D Mod)
06 Sep 17 UTC
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Diplomacy PSA
https://gfycat.com/ShimmeringUnsteadyHamadryas
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Oztra (111 D)
03 Sep 17 UTC
San Francisco reccomendations
I'll be going to the US western seaboard in the next few weeks and am looking to do a fair amount of sightseeing while there. Anyone have recommendations for can't miss sights/experiences? (let the sarcasm...and hopefully 1 or 2 useful suggestions...abound)
legit tho
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Shenguin (268 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
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Ghost Ratings and CD Takeovers
Do the Ghost Ratings include games where the player takes over a CD? If a player regularly takes over CDs in a more or less hopeless position does it effectively screw up the player's ghost rating?

And, finally, why do I keep taking over hopeless CDs and should I seek professional help?
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spacecadet (329 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
the odd man out - strategy question
so i got a strategy question for everyone:
the way i see it, 80% of games take the same route:
there is one odd man out which is attacked by the 2 others.
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Hellenic Riot (1564 D (G))
04 Sep 17 UTC
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September GR Published
https://sites.google.com/site/phpdiplomacytournaments/theghost-ratingslist

All +1's are welcome as usual :)
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trip (256 D (B))
27 Aug 17 UTC
France vs Austria
A set of friendlies if anyone is interested. 85% RR to go.
gameID=205274
gameID=205277
gameID=205276
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Smokey Gem (210 D)
06 Sep 17 UTC
Voice to Text Sftware.
Hi all I need to do lots of notes and driving for my work.
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Mintyboy4 (100 D)
05 Sep 17 UTC
Is it against the rules to tell somebody you've voted draw in hidden draw votes?
As written in the title.
Been a while since I've actively played the site. Few things have changed.
Just wanted to make sure.
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Thucydides (869 D (B))
30 Aug 17 UTC
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Are you people still on this fucken web site
Yes I'm still alive. My family in Houston evacuated. Everything is fine. Climate change is real. I'm still an anarchist. Suck it.
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slypups (1585 D)
04 Sep 17 UTC
Looking for substitute for Pairs game
Interesting concept game here - players are paired on the Modern Diplomacy II map. Unfortunately, we're about to lose one player (game currently paused) and might lose another, although we hope he's able to return. So looking for one more - more details follow...
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spacecadet (329 D)
04 Sep 17 UTC
suspected cheating
hello everyone!
i suspect cheating in a recent game. id like to contact a mod about it.
rather not give any details and speak to a mod directly.
anyone has any idea how i get in touch with one?
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Obbergruppenfuhrer (115 D)
31 Aug 17 UTC
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Talking to other Players
Just wondering what other people think about how to communicate to other players. Some players go over the top and just write way to much, in my opinion. On the other hand there are people, like me, who keep it direct and to the point. Which way is best?
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