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ubercacher16 (443 D)
23 Aug 17 UTC
Live World?
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=205098
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Ogion (3982 D)
16 Aug 17 UTC
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It is not OK to punch even Nazis
Look, the question of justifiable violence has been a profound and difficult problem in moral philosophy for ages.
I posit that violence is not justified as a political tool ever
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Maltir (100 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Juggernaut
I know the dictionary definition, but what is this in game? How to you create one/deal with one that has been created?
wpfieps (450 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
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The "Jug" is one of the most popular kinds of alliances, that between Russia and Turkey.
dargorygel (247 D Mod (G))
22 Aug 17 UTC
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A Juggernaut is usually an alliance between Russia and Turkey. Some years ago it was considered THE powerhouse alliance. But enough people grew to fear it, so that the defense of 'everyone join against the evil R/T Jugg' became ALSO very popular. Create one by talking to Russia... (and others, to put them off the scent...) Deal with one by panicking for ten minutes... and then making sure that Austria and Germany have freedom to defend against it... usually Italy can assist, too, and even England.
TrPrado (367 D Mod)
22 Aug 17 UTC
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Alliance between Turkey and Russia. Death sentence for Austria 9 times out of 10. Also pretty easy to fearmonger to get other countries to ally with you for the sake of taking it down.
Maltir (100 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Is "Juggernaut" the name of an alliance between Russia and Turkey only or can any two or three nations become a juggernaut?
dargorygel (247 D Mod (G))
22 Aug 17 UTC
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It usually refers to Russia/Turkey. But it's not like the Diplomacy Police will come knocking if you use the phrase more loosely. Way back in the day, there were names for just about every alliance. Most didn't stick. (We used to call a Rus/Eng alliance the "Wicked Witches of the North" alliance, for instance.)
Maltir (100 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Hahaha Wicked Witches of the North! That's awesome XD
TrPrado (367 D Mod)
22 Aug 17 UTC
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I think I've only seen it used once to refer to anything different. And that was a pretty local game. Most people will mean Russia-Turkey when they say "Juggernaut."
orathaic (1009 D (B))
22 Aug 17 UTC
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The name juggernaut came from the idea that turkey and russia have their backs against the wall, so together they can steam roll over the rest of europe... (usually starting with austria and then becoming unstoppable)...

You can see people discuss it in places like the diplomacy pouch here: http://diplomatic-pouch.org/Zine/W1996A/Hand/Deposits.html
or here: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Diplomacy/Alliances#The_Juggernaut_.28Russia.2FTurkey.29
(which also discusses The Wintergreen and The Peppermint - where Russia allies itself to either Italy or Austria - with Winter Green presumably deriving it's name from the colour of italy on the board - green, and the colour of russia on the original board game board - white).
orathaic (1009 D (B))
22 Aug 17 UTC
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I like their name for when France joins the Juggernaut: "France/Russia/Turkey (The Crusher, or Froggernaut)"
dargorygel (247 D Mod (G))
22 Aug 17 UTC
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Think how much time we could save if we all memorized and used these names... "Hey, what about starting a Scarlet Pumpernickel?" "Naw... I am just gonna open with a regular Ham on Rye." "Hmmm... good luck with that... I hear Germany prefers playing a "Bohemian Rhapsody." "Oh no! That means that the "Foul Mouthed Bear Cub" will probably result.... And then it becomes in effect a Gunboat. (Unless someone is going to try the Yellow Submarine...)
Maltir (100 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
This response made me smile
jengamaster (1813 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Wintergreen pretending to be a Lepanto is where it is at.
Ogion (3982 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
As a side note, I've almost come to the conclusion that with so many Italys attacking Turkey that it is basically suicide for Turkey and Russia to fight. I almost feel like the juggernaut is a near mandatory alliance, especially for Turkey.
jengamaster (1813 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
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Well the real issue is that Austria and Turkey cannot be in a realistic alliance, so Turkey needs one of Russia and Italy as a friend. Like in everything with this game, it is always Austria's fault.
Mintyboy4 (100 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Reading over this thread is making me realise how many strategy/ alliance names I've forgotten.
The Jug is the only one that springs to mind that I remember. Need to read up on my theory again, now that I've come back to the site again.
But in which games... HMMMMM ;)
TrPrado (367 D Mod)
22 Aug 17 UTC
The most natural ally for Turkey is France, but that doesn't help much in 1901.
Ogion (3982 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
How many names can you remember off the top of your head?
For me,
Peppermint, wintergreen, jug, of course,
Sea lion, Central powers, western triple.
That might be it.
jengamaster (1813 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Anchlass, Anglo Saxon, cordial something is EF, and the ones you had
jengamaster (1813 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
TrP do you say France instead of England because help against Italy is more important then help against Russia?
orathaic (1009 D (B))
22 Aug 17 UTC
England/Italy working for Turkey is what your Turk wants, one to threaten Russia in the north, and one to deal with austria...

Meanwhile you have to hope france and germany can keep each other busy...
eturnage (347 D (B))
22 Aug 17 UTC
I always heard the wicked witches alliance was between Turkey and England. England, imo, is the Turk's best ally. The Austrian/Turkish alliance is a very good one. Turkey builds fleets and Austria armies. It's actually fairly stable. I don't know why it gets such a bum rap. It is particularly good in the early game.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
22 Aug 17 UTC
@eturnage Cause once you get through the early game (which i usually consider to be when the first player is wiped out - you are solidly in the mid-game) you hope to have turkey in the west med, and probably blockaded by france/england. Unable to move into the atlantic. And russia on the ropes or dead (depending on the north). And turkey gets left with an austria ripe for picking, armies presumably up north fighting whoever of france, england, germany, and russia is still up there... and while the armies are away, turkey can take austria relatively unopposed.

I think people feel this betrayal is inevitable, and so Turkey gets a much better deal from it than austria...
ubercacher16 (443 D)
23 Aug 17 UTC
Frankland = F/G
orathaic (1009 D (B))
23 Aug 17 UTC
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(Only if you ask me... In my 1vs1 variant juggernaut vs frankland...)
yavuzovic (269 D)
23 Aug 17 UTC
Juggernaut effect gameID=178298
eturnage (347 D (B))
23 Aug 17 UTC
orathaic, betrayal is usually inevitable. The only exception is when a player decides to throw a game to you. I've won games as Austria with a Turkish ally. And vice versa.

gameID=183081
gameID=196466
orathaic (1009 D (B))
23 Aug 17 UTC
See your turkey should have been in the atlantic, and taken france and english centers.

But in principle, if you can break through to the atlantic then you can get a fair sweep... And the alliance is as at risk of stabs as any two-way draw would be. But getting to that stage is tough.
ubercacher16 (443 D)
23 Aug 17 UTC
And who wants a two way anyway?


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michael_b (192 D)
20 Aug 17 UTC
Planned Parenthood's "Monthly Abortion Quotas"
I welcome all fellow Pro-Lifers and all all Pro-Choicers alike to discuss their reactions/thoughts about this interview with a Ex-Exec from PP in a CIVILISED AND RESPECTFUL MANNER. Is this the right direction? If not, what is to be done? I know its Fox News, but its what she says that matters.

Video: https://youtu.be/KUy7zugBMa4
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dargorygel (247 D Mod (G))
21 Aug 17 UTC
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The Eclipse is over... and the Apocaclypse didn't happen!
Just saying...
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Would I get banned if I supported a teammate in an Anonymous/no-chat game?
just wondering I'm in a tactical spot to do so but it seems super suspect and unfair almost
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goldfinger0303 (1969 D Mod)
14 Aug 17 UTC
WebDip World Cup Results
The last game is in the books and we have a winner!
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chluke (6130 D (G))
22 Aug 17 UTC
2015 Gunboat tournament results?
Who ran the 2015 Gunboat tournament? Would love to see the final scoring table here:

http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/gunboat-tournament
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brainbomb (245 D)
20 Aug 17 UTC
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Steaks Diplomacy Game
Would anyone be interested in a -whoever wins grills- steaks diplomacy game? The notion is that we'd all have a potluck some amount of roasted veggies on a grill, and some ribeyes. We go to a ftf party, then get naked.
6 replies
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Maltir (100 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Length of Time
What is the average amount of rounds/years of one game of Diplomacy?
13 replies
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Maltir (100 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Bounce vs DMZ
What are the advantages and disadvantages of a bounce? Same question with a DMZ.
15 replies
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Oztra (30 D X)
20 Aug 17 UTC
What are the best threads over the past few years that people have had
e.g. funny ones
submit my own
http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=1417318&page-thread=1#threadPager
did that one myself heheh
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Need 1 more for a live game!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=205021
0 replies
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captainmeme (849 D Mod)
21 Aug 17 UTC
Age of Empires IV Announced!
https://youtu.be/RYwZ6GZXWhA

No gameplay footage, but I'm still hyped already :)
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jengamaster (1813 D)
21 Aug 17 UTC
How abusive are you comfortable getting in your diplomacy?
I know flies with honey and vinegar and all that. But how fall are you willing to take it to accomplish your diplomatic aims?
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captainmeme (849 D Mod)
10 Jul 17 UTC
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Petition to Introduce Chaos
Attempt #2. Let's get Chaos available to play on this site!
88 replies
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abgemacht (840 D (G))
19 Aug 17 UTC
Fortnite
A new Zombie killing/fort building FPS. A little heavy on the P2W aspect, but worth checking out, imho. I have a couple extra copies; PM me if you want one.
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wpfieps (450 D)
20 Aug 17 UTC
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Stakes Diplomacy Game
Would anyone be interested in a tent stakes diplomacy game? The notion is that we'd all chicken-wire together some tarps into a tent sitting in the backyard of a trusted party, and fasten it to the ground with tent stakes. The pay-out is that if you solo, everybody else has to sleep out in it at the end of the game, with Krellin visiting the tent to wake y'all up every morning.
3 replies
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captainmeme (849 D Mod)
28 Jul 17 UTC
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Dramatic scenes as unprecedented movement occurs in webDip's longest running game
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Scrub (241 D)
20 Aug 17 UTC
Just a thought
I just had a thought on a game where you can't support any of your moves (including support holds). I was thinking this would encourage alliances more and just make for an interesting game

For anyone who's interested here's the info gameID=204910
Password: manofmyword
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DeeEnAye (100 D)
19 Aug 17 UTC
Has there been an actual WW1 simulation/approximation of Diplomacy?
Meaning orders & outcomes that best represent the events of WW1, which I assume would result in some sort of draw in the end, beginning either 1901 or 1914? I'm sure it's been done, but I'm a curious newbie.

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Condescension (10 D X)
20 Aug 17 UTC
Stakes Diplomacy Game
Would anyone be interested in a cash stakes diplomacy game? The notion is that we'd all wire some amount of money to a trusted party, who would pay it out according to DSS at the end of the game.
2 replies
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Condescension (10 D X)
20 Aug 17 UTC
Stakes Diplomacy Game
Would anyone be interested in a cash stakes diplomacy game? The notion is that we'd all wire some amount of money to a trusted party, who would pay it out according to DSS at the end of the game.
9 replies
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JamesYanik (548 D)
20 Aug 17 UTC
Premier League 2017/18
Predictions and thoughts so far
5 replies
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Gezirah (107 D)
20 Aug 17 UTC
How do I find my game ID
This interface is a little confusing and outdated. Can anyone tell me how to even locate my private game's ID?
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Enriador (100 D)
18 Aug 17 UTC
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What is this forum about?
Hello guys,

So, I have been browsing the forum a little, but it seems to be more like a Reddit forum where one can throw up anything they want to rather than
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Ogion (3982 D)
17 Aug 17 UTC
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It is not OK to punch ISIS and Al qaeda members
If ISIS and Al Qaeda wanted to hold a march calling for death to America and a fundamentalist caliphate to take over the US then any who attack them or inhibit their right to free speech are evil violent people

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DealMerchant (911 D)
19 Aug 17 UTC
What do you all think about Faustian stories?
Diplomacy is a great playground for turning on friends for personal advantage, and I'm pretty sure everybody might compromise their held virtues for a little harmless gain in most places of their lives. Do you all think Faustian narratives are on point the more we all trod into the great 21st century, or is the devil obsolete and unversed in the digital age?
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D (B))
17 Jul 17 UTC
Better be feared than loved, if you cannot be both
Setting up what hopefully will be a nice classic game. Would like to keep it GR 100ish, to ensure quality and reliability.
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teh_duke (814 D)
19 Aug 17 UTC
technical issues
anyone else having technical issues with the site at the moment? i cant put in orders and more often than not the site wouldnt even load or refresh
4 replies
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