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Zmaj (215 D (B))
29 May 17 UTC
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You go, girl!
Merkel is finally flexing her considerable muscle.
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Ogion (4375 D)
28 May 17 UTC
Another terrorist attack kills two
How many more of these do we need to have before we start deporting these people or locking them up?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/27/portland-double-murder-white-supremacist-muslim-hate-speech
Tugster (7487 D)
28 May 17 UTC
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If you are truly interested in savings live, why not make cars illegal, since thousands more die in car accidents? And let;s make sodas and french fries illegal to stop Diabetes and Heart Attacks. you are more likely to slip and fall and die in your own bathroom than you are to die from a terrorist. The best plan would be to simply ignore them, they don't matter.
Hauta (1618 D (S))
28 May 17 UTC
Is it really terrorism or "just" a hate crime? Where's the line -- was San Bernadino a hate crime or terrorism?
Ogion (4375 D)
28 May 17 UTC
Precisely the question. Actually, hate crimes are terrorism.

But I'd say Tugster absolutely nails it squarely.
Ogion (4375 D)
28 May 17 UTC
But in reality, "hate crimes" are what you call it when terrorism is committed by white people. The reality is the targeting of civilians indiscriminately to push a political agenda is terrorism, whether it's right wing white nationalism or radical salafism.
brainbomb (474 D)
28 May 17 UTC
I agree hes a terrorist
Hauta (1618 D (S))
28 May 17 UTC
Google's definition of terrorism is: "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

The article said that he's been captured on video attending alt-right rallies, giving Nazi salutes, so terrorism probably fits. But if "all" a guy does is rant against a group and then commits violence against them, that's a hate crime only because there's no political connection.
Smokey Gem (189 D)
28 May 17 UTC
@ Ogion...if the solution was as simple as " locking then Up " or deprting them It would have been done by now.

A lot of the primary basis of hard line doctrines of all types is that some group has more access to resourses be that wealth food or privilege.

If those things could be more equally balanced then hard line doctrines have less traction.

Terrorism will alatys occur on a minor scale simple maths with the number of people on the planet some will be the Dahli Lama some will be at the opposite end of the spectrum.. It is the vast majority who sit somewhee in the middle who have power to keep an equal access to resourses.

Unfortunaltey in the west we will never truly understand the motivation of the porrer nations.

That is why we are debating this on webdip and not out trying to feed ourselves or our families or work in sweat shops or minning enterprises that create vast wealth for us.

Nothing new in this but we are a very long way from real change or a real solution.

Im not saying I have greater insight , I have just driven down to the local fast food place and ordered in a drivthrough ..
JamesYanik (548 D)
28 May 17 UTC
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*opens thread*

https://puu.sh/w3i3h/06fc7d347d.png

*leaves*
JamesYanik (548 D)
28 May 17 UTC
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but i'll leave this here

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30
Ogion (4375 D)
28 May 17 UTC
By your standard, Hauta, 9/11 wasn't terrorism either because there was no political demand just a hatred of Americans. In fact, Nazis have some pretty specific political demands relating to murdering minorities or expelling them, so threatening them and attacking people bas d on arguments about precisely those political ideas is the textbook definition of altering to advance your political cause through violence. Dylan roof also was trying to achieve a political outcome: namely a race war
Ogion (4375 D)
28 May 17 UTC
@smokey, I was being a bit snarky in suggesting that we lock up the people who are suggesting we deport all Muslims. That argument easily cuts both ways.
Randomizer (0 D)
28 May 17 UTC
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/24/opinions/homegrown-terrorism-opinion-bergen/index.html

Since 9/11 almost all terrorist attacks were done by native born citizens that became radicalized. These people were legally here because they were born in the country they attacked and couldn't be deported.

This doesn't include all the white US citizens attacking people because they mistakenly thought they were Muslims or just are racists against anyone that doesn't look white enough for their tastes.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
28 May 17 UTC
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"no refugees hailing from any of the countries included in Trump’s Muslim ban have ever killed any Americans. The last time any refugees killed any Americans was more than 40 years ago, when three Cuban refugees killed three Americans (Cuba is not included in the travel ban)."

resistancereport.com/news/white-terrorists-killed-more-this-week/

Just thiught this was on topic...
Hauta (1618 D (S))
28 May 17 UTC
@Ogion, 9/11 did have political aim. Note: a *demand* is not necessary. The political aim was something that the Saudis sought to achieve. When we see missing pages from the report we will know what that was.
Ogion (4375 D)
30 May 17 UTC
If you're saying cheating a conspiracy theory that the Saudi government and not Al Qaeda was.behind the attacks, I'd love to see that evidence. Because surely you realize that the reason why've al awards was in Afghanistan and not Saudi was because Al a Qaeda was also seeking to overthrow the Saudi government.
Ogion (4375 D)
30 May 17 UTC
And this has a political aim, namely to chase all people of color and nonChristians out of the country
Ogion (4375 D)
30 May 17 UTC
And to make thei allies and those who stand for liberty and justice for all feel afraid to speak up
Hauta (1618 D (S))
30 May 17 UTC
@Ogion, if Saudi wasn't involved, then why are some pages still classified?:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/11/saudi_arabia_and_the_28_classified_pages_of_congress_9_11_report.html

Second, your interpretation of "political aim" is so broad as to become meaningless. Politics implies that there are multiple people *working together* for a common political goal. To me, if a hate group organized the attack in any way, then I'd say it could be considered political. But where a hate group *merely* inspires an attack, I would not consider it terrorism, but rather a hate crime.

Third post, Portland apparently didn't cower anybody into being afraid, with at least 3 guys willing to speak up and sacrifice their personal safety.
Ogion (4375 D)
30 May 17 UTC
That would leave out San Bernardino and Orlando. Those were terrorism. Full stop.

This is precisely the kind of stochastic terrorism the right excels in. convenient to concoct a definition that excludes the way the white supremacists operate.

And god only knows why those are classified. Maybe they include exhonerating information that would reveal how the US can be certain teh Saudi government wasn't involved.

still, you're suggesting that the whole Afghanistan war and the campaign against Al Qaeda was a giant decades long wild goose chase?
ND (879 D)
30 May 17 UTC
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Did you all hear about the terrorist attack in Egypt the other day where 28 or so Coptic Christians were killed by a racial Islamic terrorist attack?
Hauta (1618 D (S))
30 May 17 UTC
@Ogion, I concede that my definition of "political aim" was too narrow but I still think that yours is too broad. As for the missing 28 pages, the Bushes and Prince Bandar of Saudi were pretty close and members of the bin Laden extended family were allowed to fly out of the country when all other flights were grounded (See Fahrenheit 9/11!) One would think they'd like to get exonerating info out ASAP. And yes, the whole thing was a goose chase designed to keep America spending on the military. Haven't you heard? Wars are good for business! What better thing than a low simmer war that's expensive and can be ratcheted up or down as needed?
Hauta (1618 D (S))
30 May 17 UTC
@ND, yup I heard. What's your point? It's bad. I condemn it.


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Player needed
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=198628&msgCountryID=0&rand=31979#chatboxanchor
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
26 May 17 UTC
Should Jared Kushner security clearance be suspended?
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/335243-dnc-suspend-kushner-security-clearance-amid-fbi-scrutiny

The DNC, for political purposes obviously, wants to suspend Jared Kushner's security clearance. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason by Jared secretly met with the CEO from VEB, the Russian state-owned bank.
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ND (879 D)
26 May 17 UTC
Cryptocurrency discussion
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-bitcoin-the-cryptocurrency-explained-2017-5
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
First advertiser pulls ads from Sean Hannity show
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/cars-leaves-sean-hannity-dust-pulls-advertising-article-1.3193120

Cars.com just pulled their ads from Hannity over the Seth Rich fake news propagated by Hannity even after Fox retracted the story. Corporate censorship of the press? Nope.
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Hippopankake (80 D)
21 May 17 UTC
James Bond
If James Bond is the worlds most famous spy
Doesn't that make him the worlds worst spy?
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Valis2501 (2057 D (G))
27 May 17 UTC
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Need F2F player (Skype?) Right now urgent
Our 7th flaked need a warm body in Boston or someone who can telecon ASAP, PM or email me if available in next 20 minutes
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JimTheGrey (968 D (S))
27 May 17 UTC
#MootAbides
Weasel Moot XI--the premier tournament of the Windy City Weasels Diplomacy club and past host of two WDCs--will be June 23-25 at the Diversey River Bowl in Chicago.
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
26 May 17 UTC
WSJ article about collusion between GOP and Russians
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-alleged-russian-hacker-teamed-up-with-florida-gop-operative-1495724787

Yeah, I know that the WSJ is not conservative enough for some of y'all, but it is intriguing nonetheless. You know, the way journalists connect dots and shit.
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ntrung670 (0 D X)
27 May 17 UTC
LIVE
JOIN QUICK!!!
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lalaland (0 D X)
26 May 17 UTC
One spot left live game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=199465
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Jamiet99uk (35 D)
24 May 17 UTC
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US intelligence leaks compromise UK terrorism investigation.
After the Manchester bombing, US intelligence has repeatedly leaked confidential information about the UK's investigation. Seems like US officers are taking after Trump.
Could you just fuck off instead please?
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RLH (132 D)
25 May 17 UTC
FtF Tournaments
Hello webdippers. Some of you know me already, but for those of you who don't, I'm an active FtF player, tournament-goer, and on the board of the North American Diplomacy Federation (NADF), which seeks to encourage FtF play, at both house games and tournaments, throughout North America.
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MajorMitchell (1033 D)
21 May 17 UTC
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US politics is now the best & worst "reality show" around today.
It's damaging the credibility and reputation of a once great nation
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Lex1 (100 D)
20 May 17 UTC
New game
Hey guys I'm going to start a new modern diplomacy game soon. If you want to sign up then please write your username followed by I WANT TO SIGN UP in all caps.
6 replies
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Jamiet99uk (35 D)
21 May 17 UTC
Who would you kill?
I was having a deep and thoughtful conversation with a beautiful friend and, to my slight surprise, they mentioned that they would be happy to assist with the killing and disposal of several individuals we both know.
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Chaqa (2672 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
Need replacement for team game
Hey everyone, Team MOAB needs a replacement for Spain in gameID=197073. The only requirements are:
1. Use Google Hangouts
2. Be willing to drop MOAB on enemy
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
Time to end Obama era sanctions on Russia?
Would it be better to let job creating trade flourish rather than hurting both countries economically? Can Russia be our friend?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
The Phillipines
Just because i've been away for a few days, somehow there is no thread about this... One news headline (paraphrased) 'ISIS captures city in Philipines!' Is rather click baity... But goes in to refer to the 'Most Catholic country in south east asia'.
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Carebear (100 D)
25 May 17 UTC
ODC @ PDET - Assignments Out
The assignments went out 24 hours ago and some of you all have not yet picked up your messages. Please come on over and join your games. :D
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Refusing to draw in established stalemate
Is there a rule that if stalemate is made and it lasts for 3 years with no changes in a sc count, draw can be forced, or something like that?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
On dna databases
http://www.nature.com/news/china-expands-dna-data-grab-in-troubled-western-region-1.22033

This is what colonial/state oppression looks like. As far as anarchist are concerned they are one and the same, the state oppresses its own people, the colonial empire oppress other peoples. In China they have this lovely grey area...
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brainbomb (474 D)
23 May 17 UTC
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Why is Terrorism the only time people feel a visceral response?
I noticed recently there was an incident where a man crashed his car into multiple people injuring many and killing someone. But because it was not terrorism, people did not seem motivated in the same manner against alcoholism as they would have if he were a terrorist. If he had indeed been from any Muslim country at all, and also under the influence of alcohol, one has to wonder if people would just automatically assume it was a terror plot.
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
22 May 17 UTC
American reporter arrested for asking questions to Trump HHS Secretary
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/business/media/reporter-arrested-tom-price.html

Freedom of the press is an integral part of the 1st amendment. Just wondering how rightwing media handled or ignored this story about Dan Heyman, the reporter that was arrested for asking persistent questions to Tom Price, HHS Secretary.
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JECE (1322 D)
11 May 17 UTC
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On how PPSC scoring does not encourage players to throw games
In our recent discussion (threadID=1432961), many mods and fellow pillars of the community claimed that when you have two Great Powers in a game that have between 12 and 16 supply centers, one of these Great Powers has a (D) points-incentive to throw the game. I disagreed and this puzzled my fellow users, but only Lethologica took the bait when I explained my position. Here it is again:
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Oztra (30 D X)
25 Mar 17 UTC
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Bump
Because I'm a new pleb, I'm not sure what bump means.
I've been seeing people use it a lot, and am unsure of the context and meaning behind this phrase
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carder007s.com (0 D X)
23 May 17 UTC
Buy CC, Cvv , dumps Fullz of all countries
Buy CC, Cvv , dumps Fullz of all countries
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Volmort (100 D)
22 May 17 UTC
Coast passing
Hi I have a question, can I move from mid-atlantic see to North Africa and next turn attack Tunis?

Or its prevented by coastal issues?
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CommanderByron (869 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Gauging Interest: Econ-Dip
See Inside
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