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goldfinger0303 (1424 D Mod)
14 Apr 17 UTC
GvI 1v1 Strategy
A thread to talk about strategy and openings for GvI. Particularly from an Italian perspective.
So, I've become comfortable with FvA. I know generally how to open, how to play that. The same can't be said for GvI, however. I'm immensely uncomfortable in that variant, especially so as Italy.

Why is that? Because I feel constrained by Tyrolia, frankly. More often than not, he who controls Tyrolia wins the game. No beating around that bush. But it all seems too...Simplistic. In FvA, for example, there's a strategy to win as France even if you've allowed Austria to hold Berlin and Munich. But in GvI, if you lose Tyrolia (again, especially as Italy) you're paralyzed. To me, that's a huge flaw in the variant.

But it got me thinking, are there any moves where you could gain an advantage by allowing the other party into Tyrolia? With Germany, I figured fairly easily that Mun-Burgundy, Berlin-Munich was a strong opening. Perhaps even superior to the traditional Mun-Tyrolia, Berlin-Silesia opening.

But for Italy I'm at a loss. What does Italy's win condition look like? For me, it's Iberia+Marseilles+Sev. But could it be a different set of center? Could Italy safely abandon a larger portion of the Balkans, commit fully west and hope to win? Ven-Piedmont, Rome-Ven? Or perhaps go all in on the Balkans early and sacrifice Venice? (Ven-Tri, Rom-Ven followed by Tri-Bud, Ven-Tri, with fleet to Tunis) Or even use the fleet to bounce Venice in the fall while putting two armies into the Balkans (same as above, but fleet opens to Apulia and then Venice)

Each of those Italian openings supposed a different win condition. So, part of what I'm asking is, what SC's is it possible for Italy to win with?
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seth24c (5032 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
gameID=195886

This is the only 1v1 game I've ever played, i definitely feel that we both missed opportunities in this game. I felt like the entire direction of the game was based on control of tyrolia and the centers that adjoined it. In the end, it required Iberia, the balkans, and Sevastopol to decide the win in Italy's favor. It is notable that Germany owned a large portion of the balkans or Sevastopol for most of the game.
Yeah, that's the mindset I've been shifting to (as far as centers needed for the win goes. I like the opening you did there. I just don't know if opening to Tyrolia is so strong, or if that's just the current meta. I would very much like to find ways to punish Germany for focusing too much on the Balkans.
A lá what I failed to do here

gameID=188006
seth24c (5032 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
Yeah i probably should have made more happen with the Rome unit in the first few seasons. The one thing I got really lucky with was disbanding several of his units at critical times in the game. It seemed like his retreats really hurt you in the game you linked.
Gen. Lee (7688 D (B))
14 Apr 17 UTC
I got pummeled in my only G vs I game when I let Germany into Tyrolia spring 01 to try and take the west.
Gen. Lee (7688 D (B))
14 Apr 17 UTC
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=192127#gamePanel

My analysis from the game above:
"You thoroughly whooped my ass, good game. Never played Italy, it is a rough endeavor. I think you have to move to tyrolia spring 01 or eat shit."
Gen. Lee (7688 D (B))
14 Apr 17 UTC
If you can get fleets past MAO you could make Germany pay. But it's hard to sustain builds when you are trying to sail the quickest way to the north.
So, you should always be able to beat Germany to Spain. But you're right, the issue of gaining MAO is a hard thing to do, because even if you rush west with the first fleet, you should really use the second one to the East.
superkeiko (239 D)
26 Apr 17 UTC
I think after some extensive trial, I found the following innocent or amateur opening for Italy to be most flexible and deadly. A Ven > Tyr, A Rom > Ven, F Nap > TyrS.
You then have 2 branch of possiblitly, either you are bounced in Tyrolia or not.
If bounce, you can take Tunis either do A Rom > Tunis(convoy), F TyrS convoys A Rom > Tunis, A Ven > Trieste. Then you build 2 armies(Ven and Rom) to dislodge Tyrolia, and use A Tunis to move on Spain in the next year.
Or, you can do A Rom > Tus, F TyrS> Tunis, and A Ven > Trieste, build 2 armies(Ven and Rom) to dislodge Tyrolia and cover Pie with A Tus.
If not bounced, you might have an German army in Bur going to Mar, I would generally go for the 3 build, maybe go for Munich depending on what you feel.
goldfinger0303 (1424 D Mod)
26 Apr 17 UTC
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While I agree that's a fairly good and standard Italian opening (one of two, imo), I was more looking for something that can turn the Germany's intentions on their head. I'm very much a reactive player in 1v1. Using FvA as an example, if I see France open to MAO instead of EC, I shift my entire battleplan north, intending on ceding Italy to France and tying up as many of his units in the south as possible, while I secure Germany and Scandinavia for a victory. Germany can have similar flexibility, depending upon if Italy opens to Tyr Sea or to Ionian in GvI.

But I'm still struggling to find a way where Italy can be flexible. I just don't think its possible.


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brainbomb (456 D)
26 Apr 17 UTC
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Girl Scouts
I am having problems selling all my cookies this year.
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
25 Apr 17 UTC
28 pieces of legislation signed by Trump into law
Here's the list:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/signed-legislation
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Jamiet99uk (100 D)
18 Apr 17 UTC
UK General Election, 2017
Well here's a bit of news. There will be a General Election in the UK on 8th June.
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user1981 (58 D)
26 Apr 17 UTC
How to bet 0 not taking over CD
You make two accounts, after one is banned, you ask the moderator to still play in the game with the second, so in effect taking over cd from yourself, it is allowed to do it on this site - example as a france http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=196322
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
22 Apr 17 UTC
Clean wood energy
All this talk about clean coal. Why bother digging up energy when we have so much wood ABOVE ground! As a bonus, we get more farmland. Let's retrain coal miners to be lumberjacks!
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
25 Apr 17 UTC
Where is the Coke ad where...
I want to see a Coke ad where a Kendall Jenner look-a-like tries to stop a riot by presenting a can of Pepsi. After a dramatic pause in the melee, both sides ask her, "You got Coke?" [Then they resume fighting].
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captainmeme (849 D Mod)
20 Apr 17 UTC
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WebDiplomacy Survivor
Roll up, roll up! I got permission to run this game on the site, and since there’s a reasonable time until the next mafia game so this would be the time to do it.
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DRFrazier99 (70 D)
25 Apr 17 UTC
New Game
how do I join a new game?
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Smokey Gem (210 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
Basic D& D where to get moduals and or Immortals set..
Does anyone have any sets they want to off load ?/
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David Ridley (100 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
Allocation of countries
How does the server decide which country you get?
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DammmmDaniel (104 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
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3 Months into Calculus
Things are getting pretty serious. We have all-nighters together, we watch Khan Academy videos together and it even joined my subject study group. I think this one is a hard one. Its thermos are alright too.
Hey BB suck on this
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Handschar (31 D X)
21 Apr 17 UTC
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Reenactors
Are there any other reenactors here? I do both American Civil War and WWII Reenacting and would like to know if there are any others out there like me.
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markradar29 (333 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
1901 Country Assignments
Does anybody else constantly get assigned the same country or countries? I've entered into maybe 15 games and every time but one, have been assigned either England, Germany, or Russia.

(Note: this is not a complaint--I'll never bemoan a free game of Diplomacy!!! Just curious :-)
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swordsman3003 (9921 D Mod (G))
24 Apr 17 UTC
Game Start Date - any way to know?
I know you can see the date a game finished, but is there a way to look and see when it started? I am curious to see how long a game took to finish in real time.

I looked for this for a while, so I'm the dunce if someone immediately points this out...
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bo_sox48 (4271 D Mod (G))
22 Apr 17 UTC
I'm drunk
How is your night going, webdip
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peterwiggin (14677 D (S))
22 Apr 17 UTC
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I'm sober
How is your day going, webdip
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abgemacht (840 D (G))
21 Apr 17 UTC
I also have an oven story
Accidentally hit Clean a few days ago. Cancelled it because there were things in the oven. Haven't been able to open it since. Have had it unplugged for 24 hours, hoping the electromagnet that allegedly locks it loses strength soon. Will update as warranted.
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peterwiggin (14677 D (S))
22 Apr 17 UTC
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Mod team announcement
Please welcome Socrates dissatisfied to the mod team.
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brainbomb (456 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
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3 months into a relationship
Things are getting pretty serious. We have barbeques together, we watch game of thrones and she even joined my dungeouns and dragons group. I think this ones a keeper. Her kids are alright too.
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dargorygel (320 D Mod (G))
23 Apr 17 UTC
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I think I left my Reactor Oven on overnight, and Now want to be a Better Baker.
What should I do?
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fourofswords (400 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
Erector sets
How many Webdippers remember Erector sets? Or for that matter, Lincoln Logs and Tinker Toys? Of course, I expect the usual 90% comedy answers, the real reason I ask.
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brainbomb (456 D)
22 Apr 17 UTC
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Reactors
Are there any other people who work on reactors here? I do both American Civil War and WWII Reactor repairs and would like to know if there are any others out there like me.
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Fletch! (609 D (S))
22 Apr 17 UTC
Two players from one IP?
Is it allowed to have two players playing from the same household - in different games? I know they cannot join games together, and that is fine with me, but can two players from the same household play different games?

Thanks! Don't want to be banned accidentally.
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Jamiet99uk (100 D)
21 Apr 17 UTC
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Turned my oven off safely after using it.
I just thought it was important to let you all know.
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Valis2501 (3672 D (G))
19 Apr 17 UTC
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Ossoff TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
https://redd.it/664s7n
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mitomon (185 D)
22 Apr 17 UTC
Just thought I'd leave this here for someone
http://polandball.cc/comic/international-trade-in-the-16th-century/
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brainbomb (456 D)
21 Apr 17 UTC
Left my oven on all night
Set at 415 after cooking a pizza. I forgot to shut it off. It was on nearly 20 hours. I feel lucky I didnt burn my house down.
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d-rock (650 D)
19 Apr 17 UTC
Colonial Diplomacy
What's the reason for Colonial being deactivated on this server?
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Fluminator (511 D)
18 Apr 17 UTC
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NHL sucks
I honestly challenge anyone who obviously knows nothing about hockey to keep high morale when the refs are literally maliciously trying to throw the game. I've never seen worse reffing in a series, and anyone who doesn't realize these are humans that actually get effected when the ref delibrately tries to blow a series against your team, should realize that it makes your team feel like they are skating though glue.
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