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brainbomb (325 D)
12 Mar 17 UTC
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY VALIS
You old biotch! This thread plz dont lock. Happy Birthday bro
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Deeply_Dippy (458 D)
13 Mar 17 UTC
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Please reconsider your re-considerations.
Considering your considerable considered service to this site, please consider re-considering your considerations considerably.
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Ogion (4280 D)
11 Mar 17 UTC
What news sources do you read?
In this political era, I'm wondering what news sources you read
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brainbomb (325 D)
13 Mar 17 UTC
Bi, i'm larping
Hey guys, I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some high quality depression meds; or a larping experience which also incorporates back rubs.
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
12 Mar 17 UTC
What is the best way to reduce the amount of disinformation?
Call it fake news or whatever you want, but the dissemination of factually incorrect statements is a disservice to the electorate. We all like the first amendment and free speech, but once you have enough viewers/followers etc, should you be held to a higher standard of accuracy?
Zmaj (215 D (B))
12 Mar 17 UTC
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By whom? The keepers of truth?
Hauta (1618 D (S))
12 Mar 17 UTC
Could be by a basket of organizations like politifact. There could be an appeal process if denied the label of "truth". Remember, since the rule would apply only to the big boys with lots of viewers/followers, the burden of appealing is not undue.
TheRealMaestro (190 D)
12 Mar 17 UTC
Scientific progress thrives on free statements and observations that appear false or even absurd but are claimed as plausible, and commonly are soon discredited. Any attempt to stifle errors would, ignoring any political consequences, lead to technological stagnation.
TheRealMaestro (190 D)
12 Mar 17 UTC
Science and politics are different, yes, though the principle holds: I pre-emptively answer my critic.
Hauta (1618 D (S))
12 Mar 17 UTC
Sadly, scientific publications are not widely read. They would be exempt. However, if a news outlet with lots of viewers referred to an exempt scientific publication improperly, they would run the risk of whatever penalty is determined by a court of law.
Zmaj (215 D (B))
12 Mar 17 UTC
I was a Wikipedia administrator for a while, and I noticed that lies weren't a big problem. They were easily dealt with. The most frequent and insidious problems, which required an enormous amount of energy to be resolved, were when some facts were given undue weight at the expense of others.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
12 Mar 17 UTC
You know? You never know.
TheRealMaestro (190 D)
12 Mar 17 UTC
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Indeed, I have noted that several organisations that report on 'false information' mark works poorly for a perceived imbalance, even if they contain no objectively false material. Such abuses are infinitely too easy. It is unreasonable to insist all authors adopt a 'neutral point of view', that would surely be false, but rather to let the individual discern it from any and all available sources.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
12 Mar 17 UTC
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And what is "truth"? Is truth unchanging law?

“You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
Ogion (4280 D)
12 Mar 17 UTC
It will only happen if people care about the truth. As long as people prefer whatever supports their views over the truth, this isn't going to be a fruitful exercise
Hauta (1618 D (S))
13 Mar 17 UTC
Ogion, isn't there a natural morality that arises from absolute truth?
Zmaj, thanks for the add. It's nice to hear that absolute truths can exist even in controversial topics.

I have no problem with people weighing facts differently (persuasive arguments). Hell, that's what lawyers do all the time to win a case. It'd be nice if persuasion was clearly distinguished from neutral reporting of facts, but at this point, I'm willing to settle for absolute truths in the hope that they lead to inexorable conclusions of good public policy.
Zmaj (215 D (B))
13 Mar 17 UTC
Absolute truth... I wonder if any of you have seen this little gem: http://bit.ly/2mYbE29
Hauta (1618 D (S))
13 Mar 17 UTC
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that vid pretty much sums it up. oh well, let's enjoy the journey anyway.
Zmaj (215 D (B))
13 Mar 17 UTC
Lol now that's optimism.
Lethologica (203 D)
13 Mar 17 UTC
"I was a Wikipedia administrator for a while, and I noticed that lies weren't a big problem. They were easily dealt with."

That's a pretty strong sampling bias, though--volunteer editors by and large care about accurate and verifiable information. Naturally the problems that persist (as opposed to fake-info trolls that get repelled by the ingroup) will stem from exploiting accurate and verifiable information to tell a skewed narrative.

Other groups may not be so resistant to outright bullshit. Consider the absurdly high percentage of Republicans who, in numerous independent polls, doubted Obama's citizenship or his religion or both. A lot of voters (at a first pass, older voters) get information by mailing lists, and a lot of those mailing lists are chock full of echo chamber nonsense.
MajorMitchell (1168 D)
13 Mar 17 UTC
I can't see how it would work in a practical way Hauta. It'd get too complicated to easily administer and enforce. For example you create at least two classes of "information dissemination " entities, those below the threshold, and those above. So any organisation could decide to hold itself just below the threshold and create a defacto second, third etc form of itself to continue growing in a way to "avoid the rules"
There's the obvious problems of who becomes the "arbiter of truth" and corruption, manipulation of that body.

I'd suggest a better way to deal with this is not on the "supply side" but on the "consumption side". In other words, work towards having the consumers of news take responsibility for analysis, critiquing, assessing of what they read and hear.. So better education of consumers.. And ensuring a competitive, multi sourced " market", lots of sources of information. Responsibility also lies with those who work in the information suppliers, eg journalists have professional associations that set commonly agreed ethical standards etc, they recognise excellence with professional awards.
Hauta (1618 D (S))
13 Mar 17 UTC
MM, if FauxNews wants to break itself up into various entities to evade the threshold, that's a lot of pieces. Let's say the threshold were 25,000 followers/viewers, they'd have to create 20 channels per million viewers. Just try and getting cable to give you that many channels!

The arbiter of truth is appealable to the courts, much the way that administrative law works now. If you don't like how the Sosec Administration treated you, you can go through their process and when it's done, file a lawsuit in court.

Leaving it up to the demand side is a non-starter. The American people have no interest in doing the research to determine the truth. If they did, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. Instead, truth seeking needs to be done by professionals who have the time to do it.
Deeply_Dippy (458 D)
13 Mar 17 UTC
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Oh the irony; expressing unhappiness at 'disinformation' on a Diplomacy site.
MajorMitchell (1168 D)
13 Mar 17 UTC
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Hauta, that last paragraph of yours is interesting, but take it a step further.
If I might paraphrase it.. You say the American population is largely intellectually lazy ..they won't put any serious effort into researching news sources..so your answer is not to give them the kick in the rear vestibule, shake them up and get them to put in the effort, but instead ..get a team of professionals to do the job for them....which only rewards the laziness..and if you take it a step further, well let's get a team of "approved experts" to do their thinking for them. Maybe set up a "drive through" that serves up prepared "approved thinking" with burgers & fries.
I'm suggesting it's a "cultural problem" and that it has to be attacked there.. Lazy news consumers shouldn't be encouraged to stay lazy.. So the culture has to be changed, and it's not just with news..include advertising, which is an even more dominant force than straight news..the distinction between news and advertising is increasingly blurred..infomercials etc
So I see it as a need to change a "cultural way of looking at, thinking about a range of influences"
If you want a "conspiracy theory" consider this.. A population that is largely intellectually lazy, doesn't have a culture of "critical thinking", enquiry etc is vulnerable to manipulation by a small, exclusive, well resourced "power elite". The irony is that there's a propaganda campaign to portray "elites" as "interfering liberals", whereas the recent evidence would suggest that the " elite groups" who are most successful at manipulation are extremely Conservative groups.


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Chaqa (4046 D (B))
13 Mar 17 UTC
Reply to "Hi, I'm Staying"
Please reconsider. You've been an active member for 2 years (in 4 weeks from now) and it'd be a shame to see you stay.
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jmo1121109 (3817 D Mod)
12 Mar 17 UTC
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Reply to "Bye-I'm leaving"
Please reconsider. You've been an active member for 7 years (in 4 days from now) and it'd be a shame to see you go.
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abgemacht (1076 D (G))
12 Mar 17 UTC
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Reply to 'Reply to "Bye-I'm leaving"'
In anticipation of the aforementioned thread also being locked, I wanted to create this thread to also express my hope that jamiet doesn't leave webDip.
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
13 Mar 17 UTC
Ivanka Trump perfume
Yeah, I hear that it's number 1 on Amazon. But are the orders real? Are individuals buying it, or are there bulk orders from the Russians coming in? -- orders that will never be delivered (and even if they were, it takes only pennies to make perfume in China).
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Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
13 Mar 17 UTC
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Hi, I'm Staying
Just in case anyone cared, I wanted to reaffirm this.
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Chaqa (4046 D (B))
12 Mar 17 UTC
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Buy
Hey guys, I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can buy some high quality passports or IDs?
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c0dyz (100 D)
07 Mar 17 UTC
New Game
I wanna get a game started, classic diplomacy, good old fashioned gunboat. Who is down?
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6letters (100 D)
12 Mar 17 UTC
What is the best way to refresh game pages?
a simple browser refresh has the added problem of reposting the last message you sent over and over

also what is the point of 5 minute games if it takes 3 minutes for the server to actually change the page contents after orders have been processed.
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cspieker (18223 D)
11 Mar 17 UTC
Reliability Rating?
Why do people make games with RR of like 25% or even 50%? Do you really want someone in a game who misses 75% of their moves, or even 50%? I don't know what the usual reliability ratings are of players, but I'd hope they are basically all greater than 80%.
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pastoralan (100 D)
09 Mar 17 UTC
Question for Trump Supporters
This is a serious question for those of you who are supporting Trump. Back in January 2016, Trump said, "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters." And it certainly looks that way from the outside. So I'm curious...what things would Trump to do lose your support?

If you're not a Trump supporter, please refrain from telling the Trump supporters who respond about why they are wrong.
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Jamiet99uk (443 D)
12 Mar 17 UTC
Bye.
I'm leaving.
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Smokey Gem (184 D)
28 Feb 17 UTC
Who wins Between . Burgers, Pizza, Fried Chicken, Chips ( Fries)
Burgers :
Pizza :
Fried Chicken :
Chips( Fries) : 1.
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
11 Mar 17 UTC
Hey lawyers, why the 18th Amendment?
Why was alcohol prohibited by federal amendment, when a mere federal LAW is sufficient to make marijuana illegal (notwithstanding the federal government's refusal to enforce it).
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jmo1121109 (3817 D Mod)
11 Mar 17 UTC
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Could a Rebellious Sun Fighting Lion Win a Minor Election?
Discuss.
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Zollern (150 D)
11 Mar 17 UTC
Timezone selection
I am wondering how the game knows your timezone to give you the correct times, as it seems the times have been incorrect for me for several deadlines.
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Ogion (4280 D)
04 Mar 17 UTC
Daily Trump News Thread II
Can't find the old one and Trump news is creeping out of its cage again.
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brainbomb (325 D)
11 Mar 17 UTC
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Could a cactus win a major election?
If a cactus was branded as being pro limited govt and it ran for a major office in any of the Southern states-- could a candidate that literally doesnt talk and is prickly still win?
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WyattS14 (100 D (B))
08 Mar 17 UTC
Is beurocracy and greed holding back the technological pioneer dream?
In the movie Tomorrowland, the character by the name of Hugo said, "Have you ever wondered what would happen, if all the geniuses, the artists, the scientists, the smartest, most creative people in the world decided to actually change it? Where, where could they even do such a thing? They'd need a place free from politics and bureaucracy, distractions, greed - a secret place where they could build whatever they were crazy enough to imagine..." read below
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
10 Mar 17 UTC
If Jeff Sessions is disbarred by Alabama Bar Assoc, does that mean he must resign as AG?
The ACLU is trying to get Sessions disbarred from the Alabama Bar Association, citing his "testimony" in Congress. What happens in the unlikely event that Sessions is disbarred? Seems that to be an *Attorney* General, you got to be an *attorney*.
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Carebear (100 D)
10 Mar 17 UTC
ODC @ PDET 2017: Reserves Wanted
We need a few reserves to potentially take up positions where players cannot continue. Coming in as a reserve qualifies you for later rounds. Looking for reliable players, no NMRs and no surrendering. If you play predominately through mobile, the interface is not friendly and maybe not for you. http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=797&t=54813

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c0dyz (100 D)
11 Mar 17 UTC
live game
join now for a good time
gameID=193663

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JoJoReference (35 D X)
10 Mar 17 UTC
Death Battle
Who would win in a fight: One trillion lions or the sun
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slypups (1889 D)
07 Mar 17 UTC
Fall of American Empire - Liberals vs Conservatives
Looking for a good team game, 5 on 5 (because Classic with 7 players just doesn't work well for this). Figure Liberals vs Conservatives could be fun. Sign up, and I'll PM a password to all of you.
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steephie22 (182 D (S))
10 Mar 17 UTC
Am I rebellious?
People often seem to think of me as rebelling against a status quo, but I see that differently. I do what I can to follow the path that I perceive to be right and this path happens to lead away from where most paths lead. I happen to cross boundaries, breaking unwritten rules as I go. Rebellion, to me, is about removing and destroying things you disagree with. I don't destroy, I just follow my own rules without seeking conflict. Discuss..
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steephie22 (182 D (S))
05 Mar 17 UTC
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Can we harvest energy from dus storms?
What it says on the tin, basically. I wonder if dust storms could be a viable source of green energy.
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