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The Diplomancer (0 DX)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Is it just me, or is it dumb that you can retreat into other people's territory?
I know it's the rules of the game and all, but I feel like it would make more sense if you could only retreat into your own territory or neutral territory.
OB_Gyn_Kenobi (888 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Define "your own territory" and "neutral territory" in your assertion.
VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
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It's just you
Zybodia (355 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
It would be dumb if you could retreat into a territory another player is occupying, but fortunately that is not possible.
Well he has a point. In real wars, armies don't retreat behind enemy lines. They retreat back to their own lines.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Jan 17 UTC
I always figured that that's what disbands are - a massive retreat, behind one's own lines, back into the build centers where they can reassemble.
WyattS14 (100 D(B))
12 Jan 17 UTC
Sure, it's frustrating, but that doesn't make it "dumb." I could say the ability for another country to move into MY SC's is dumb because I can't win if they do that, it's equivalent to your saying retreats into SC's are dumb. I'm not bashing you, all I'm saying is that I think if you were on the opposite side, the side that was retreating into enemy territory, you'd find it much less frustrating or "dumb"
Claesar (4665 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
I agree that you should not be able to retreat into an enemy-controlled SC. Everything else is fair game, as far as I'm concerned. This part of the game has always annoyed me.
TrPrado (461 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
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I would call it line building. No real life military would strategically have a gap in their line that enemy can breach as such, so in Diplomacy it's another layer of strategy. Form a line that can't be breached under any circumstance.
Lethologica (203 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
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Picture an army that landed in Apulia, behind enemy lines. Italy swings divisions down from Venice and Rome to mop up the flanking force. Why shouldn't the flanking force be allowed to retreat down the unguarded peninsula to Naples just because they haven't already taken it?

"Well he has a point. In real wars, armies don't retreat behind enemy lines. They retreat back to their own lines."

Which you can't do in Diplomacy. Say you're France with a line of armies from Picardy to Marseilles and an advance squad in Ruhr. If Germany pushes those forces out, in real life they would retreat across the border to rejoin their frog friends. In Dip, they can't do that. Indeed, they can only retreat in that direction if they have *less* backup. That doesn't make any real-life sense.

The retreat rule's suspension of disbelief is quite tame by comparison.
Deeply_Dippy (458 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
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But of course, Diplomacy is not a war-game simulation, it's a political simulation. The board (and by consequence, the units) only exist to provide a context for the actual diplomacy.

In that situation, the original question becomes redundant. It doesn't matter that it's 'dumb' - and it is, a bit. That's just not the real point of the game.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
12 Jan 17 UTC
'Retreats' at a strateguc level are not the same as at the tactical level.

Your army is manouvering into unoccupied territory (not enemy held territory)
slypups (1889 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
It's just another rule in the game. The semblance and accuracy when compared to real war and diplomacy is unimportant. Sure it's silly in chess that a "pawn" can take down a king or that the queen is much more powerful than the king in movement capability given the patriarchal background behind the game, but that's the game.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
12 Jan 17 UTC
The queen is just being married off to other kingdoms, and trying to murder their king... Completely historical! :p


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slypups (1889 D)
04 Jan 17 UTC
So Long World Diplomacy IX
As some of you may have heard, the flawed World Dip IX map is going away. I made a game if you're interested in taking a final swing at this sucker: http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=188080
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breaca (1211 D(G))
12 Jan 17 UTC
Which is more balanced 1-1?
How are the two 1-1s shaping up in terms of balance? The consensus on AvF seems to be that Austria usually wins. What about IvG? Do we have any stats to suggest which is a more balanced match?
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ssorenn (0 DX)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Press between two countries
Is there a way to pull past press between two countries without going through everyone's.
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
11 Jan 17 UTC
Concede button for 1v1
We need a concede button on the 1v1 games.
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DammmmDaniel (100 D)
11 Jan 17 UTC
Call-Me-A-Dirty-So-N-So Legacy Edition!!!
Hey Kiddos someone has to carry Krellin's weight around here! Join up for the greatest So-N-So game yet!!!! No safe spaces,no bitching or crying allowed! Leave your feelings at the sign up button because they will get destroyed!!! We need to continue the legacy of helping bring people closer together via insults!!
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lamson (0 DX)
10 Jan 17 UTC
New game, no join button?
Hello, I have an issue setting up a game for those I work with and was wondering if any of you have experienced it also. Trying to use the KW901 map. More in reply.
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Peregrine Falcon (9010 D(S))
10 Jan 17 UTC
Soloing with less than 18 SC?
I'm curious if the above is possible. More below.
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CptMike (4384 D)
10 Jan 17 UTC
world IX
Hello guys. I have a question about this variant:
* http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/w/world8-2.gif
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CptMike (4384 D)
08 Jan 17 UTC
Convoy to bypass
Hello. I have a technical question.
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
10 Jan 17 UTC
Known World Gunboat
gameID=188752

I've made a Gunboat game for the new map. Tried to make it be 901 point pot, but gotta go with 900, close enough. Let's play this thing.
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
10 Jan 17 UTC
Med game, small pot
Made a Mediterranean game, feel free to join.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=188710
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Ezio (1731 D)
10 Jan 17 UTC
Game analysis
I figured we should have a thread where people who have questions about specific games can post them and ask. I got this idea quite selfishly:
gameID=188647
What could I have done better in this game as Germany?
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glo2018 (1522 D)
09 Jan 17 UTC
opening moves Austra and France 1v1
what do yall think are the best 1st year moves for the 1v1 Austria and France?
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
09 Jan 17 UTC
Split Diplomat
Does anyone know if Split still plays? He's the #1 ranked player, I believe he has over 100,000 points
15 replies
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
09 Jan 17 UTC
unranked??
do unranked count for/against RR??
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ssorenn (0 DX)
04 Jan 17 UTC
gunboat anyone?
1-3 games
dss, 36 hour

please ready if at all possible
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Matticus13 (2844 D)
08 Jan 17 UTC
Known World 901 quirk:
I'm currently participating in two ongoing games on the new world map. 15 different empires to start, so I should have a 1/15 odds of drawing any empire. I drew the same empire twice in a row... That should be a 1/225 occurrence if the draws were random, or even less if it weights other empires higher after I've drawn that specific empire (to increase variety, which I believe mods have confirmed happens, at least in Classic). Should I play the lottery, or is this a bug?
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JEccles (421 D)
05 Jan 17 UTC
A learning experience
I am looking for 6 people with 80%RR or higher to play against me in a "classroom" game of sorts. I'm going to be mentored by an undisclosed mod during the game, and I would like some good competition for this round. Game ID is below.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=188124
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Hellfire Missile (100 D)
09 Jan 17 UTC
How does claiming SC's and territories work
I move over a country and sometimes it claims and sometimes it doesnt

how does it work? It's made me mess up a couple times because i didnt factor this weird thing in
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Ezio (1731 D)
08 Jan 17 UTC
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aaron rodgers is a god
the title is a fact
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
07 Jan 17 UTC
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God banned from Facebook
https://www.good.is/articles/facebook-bans-god

I hope webDip does not follow suit. I am always interested to hear what our almighty creator, the ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority, has to say.
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slypups (1889 D)
09 Jan 17 UTC
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Separate stats on 1v1 games
The 1v1 games have pretty different dynamics from the other games. Would be interesting to see 1v1 stats separate from the rest. What do people think?
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
01 Jan 17 UTC
(+3)
Invitational games by yours truly
Details inside.
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OB_Gyn_Kenobi (888 D)
08 Jan 17 UTC
1v1 practice
gameID=188460
Live
Anyone welcome.
You NMR and I'll send you a rotting fish in the mail.
2 replies
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Matticus13 (2844 D)
07 Jan 17 UTC
Analysis Wanted: gameID=187236
Game summary follows from my perspective (as Russia) in this 7WD. Would enjoy some analysis and nitpicking on my play specifically.
12 replies
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Klaelman23 (100 D)
08 Jan 17 UTC
Chat function apparently crashed...?
Playing this game. http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=187592

For some reason, I can't send messages anymore. Could before, can't now. I've never run into this before. Is this a bug or by design?
2 replies
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Kremmen (3817 D)
08 Jan 17 UTC
New live game not full, but no way to join
There's a live game called "First <1 hour known world GB"
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=188263
It has 11 players. Obviously needs 15 players, but there is no join button!
Anyone know what's up?
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pastoralan (100 D)
07 Jan 17 UTC
Forum rules question
So I have a philosophical question that game up because of a decision in a game that is ongoing. I can ask without revealing the game or having any conversation about the positions. Would that be forbidden conversation about an ongoing game?
12 replies
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
06 Jan 17 UTC
7 minute phase new world map?
Would anybody be interested in doing a gunboat game on the newest world map (15 player variant) with 7 minute phases?
15 replies
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