By the way. Please forgive any typos. I just spent the last hour carving on a pipe and I'm posting from the phone with my right thumb sore from all the carving.

@Draug - "carving on a pipe" I don't even want to know what that means, but it sounds sexual.

No. I am a pipe and cigar smoker and I carve my own from briar and meerschaum when I can get it. Carving briar is just lile carving any other figurine our of wood except.briar wood is a lot tougher and it's grain.is kind.of twisted and stuff having come.from the root ball of a bush.

So here is what I will attempt to do. I had planned on trying to keep my language clean beyond Lent when I took on that choice for a the fasting discipline (along with no poker and no pipes or cigars). It was the only one I intended to carry on throughout my life (not giving.up poker or pipes and.cigars) so I shall endeavor to keep my swearing to a minimum and never post it in the title or OP text on the fprum. That is me.choosing to.do it mostly.because I had made the commitment and am.failing.at it. So here goes...

@ Draug - Perhaps Matthew 12:33-37 could be a source of strength and guidance for you as you work towards living up to your commitment....and it might be what Paul had in mind when he wrote Colossians ;-)

I would love to throw in my two cents. The topic of language and religion is of great interst to me, but I'm tired.

But I'll give it a shot...

"Fuck" wasn't a word when the Bible was written. In fact, there was not such thing as English when the Bible was written. More to the point, the authors of the good book wrote in different languages.

So what? you say.

So this. "Fuck" is either four letters on a page, or it is a particular pattern of sound produced by human vocal chords that strike your ear drum and send a bio-electric signal to your brain pod.

Fuck is a fairly recent invention in human history, actually.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=fuck
By this account, perhaps earliest derivation was 1503? Opinions vary...it's not really the point. The point is that when God created the world he did not write "fuck" upon a stone and say "thou shalt not utter *this* one..."

When i was a child, "crap" was a bad word, worthy of a good glare from old Mom. I think I can say with confidence my mother will not utter, "Crap!" with proper vehemence upon some displeasing event occurring, say the dropping of an egg, or news that my annoying cousin is coming over for the holidays.

The *only* thing that gives a word power to offend, the power to be a "curse" word, is the hearer/reader *giving* it that power.

Walk on to any construction site and you will hear a different version of the English language than that you hear in the class room. What you will not see on the construction site is a bunch of blushing construction worker either muffing their ears from the "foul" language, not getting in to fights; the language they use (such a "fuck") is cultural, it is part of their universe and it is unoffensive to them.

Mujus came to a construction site. FUCK, CUNT, DOUCHE BAG and all sorts of words that other segments of society *give* the power to offend are freely used here.

Mujus needs to grasp the concept that these are not curse words in this context -- we're not in his church -- and he's out of line suggesting that other must curb their speech to meet the *self-imposed* restriction and offenses of his life.

Word don't offend. People choose to be offended by words.

@FlemGem - I think the words yo offer to Draugnar are appropriate, despite what I just wrote, because you are offering him assistance to curb something Draug has acknowledge is a *personal* problem with himself.

Mujus, on the other hand, is out of line suggesting Draugnar should curb his speech because Mujus himself didn't like reading it, even though he voluntarily comes to a site and participates in forums in which such language is freely used, AND since there are plenty of other sites in which he could catch a game if he choose to. the FACT is, he comes here *specifically* because of the forums...thus making him all the more the hypocrite in his feigned offense.

My problem with the word "fuck" being posted here is that any web page with that word on it is automatically blocked by filter programs where I work, so when someone posts it in a thread or an in-game message to one of my games or they put it in a PM to me, I suddenly can't get to this website. It's annoying.

Speaker - welllll...since this site is already FULL of FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK I guess you won't be playing at work, or you will become wise in the ways of the internet and find yourself and alternate method to log on when and where you choose.

FUCK.

Speaker, check your PM's...heh heh....

Well done Krellin, I actually expected Draug to be the first to send a reply with "fuck" in it, but I see you beat him to it. B-)

I've virtually given up trying to log on at work - I'm sick of seeing a bright yellow banner page reading "The web site you attempted to reach has been blocked - content."

I completely agree with krellin.

Shouldn't a mod only restrict things that affect the site and community as a whole, not themselves? There are plenty of things on the forums that players or their families might find offensive. It is not for a mod to mute or control these things because they or their individual family do not like it.

Draugnar, of course I'm a sinner, like you. In Luke 5:32, Jesus says "I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent." I'm one of those sinners; I need God, and I admit it. But you are totally overreacting.
In James 5:16a, we see "Confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed." I confessed; I apologized to you. Now let's both pray that you can calm yourself down before you burst something.

New Living Translation (©2007)

Hereward, I'm not a mod. If you look at the original request and you'll see that it was just a simple request.

Mujus - Please rrad the rest of my posts here. I think toy will find you are a little late to the game with the calm.down comment.

You not toy...

And read not rrad... I hate cellphone soft keyboards.

Draug, telling you to STFU doesn't impinge on your freedom of speech. People try all sorts of tactics to convince people to change their speech or behavior. But unless I'm locking you away or Tazing you there's nothing wrong with it. Mutejus loves his mute and hates swearing, what can we say?

You could quote something from the Bble that promotes cursing in some abstract way and that will solve things for you.

Guys. Get over it already.

Apologies Muju - I'll read more closely next time!