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Bob Genghiskhan (1258 D)
23 Jun 12 UTC
A proposal:
Anyone with over 100 games completed and a 25%+ resignation rate gets their account revoked. That's simply a ludicrous amount of contempt for the other players on this site. I'd rather play against multis than someone who resigns that damn often.
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Bob Genghiskhan (1258 D)
15 Jun 12 UTC
Dick moves
What's the most dickish thing a player on this site can do in a game that isn't cheating, in your opinion?
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rpzrz (417 D)
24 Jun 12 UTC
How do I find a Mod?
I suspect someone of cheating how do I report this?
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achillies27 (100 D)
23 Jun 12 UTC
Trieste-Venice
In my last few games, I have seen a LOT of Austria's open like that... why?
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krellin (80 DX)
23 Jun 12 UTC
Diablo 3 Issues
FUCK THIS GAME!

Owned it for a week, and have only had it start successfully 2 times. WHAT THE FUCK!!!
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homer (103 D)
23 Jun 12 UTC
Possibly stupid newbie question?
I joined last week, I've signed up for 5 or 6 games, and every time except 1 I've been England. What determines that? Coincidence?
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iris.may (0 DX)
24 Jun 12 UTC
Need one more person for ancient med!
Need one more person for our game "Taking back the ancient med"
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=92554
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Yonni (136 D(S))
13 Jun 12 UTC
Triathlon Thread
Tournament tracking thread, take II
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terry32smith (0 DX)
23 Jun 12 UTC
Need One more for a classic live battle starts in 4 minutes!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=92568
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King Atom (100 D)
23 Jun 12 UTC
KingDIP on WebDip...
KingDIP! on WebDip!

Coming Soon!
(More info to follow...)
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brainbomb (295 D)
23 Jun 12 UTC
EOG: Live Gunboat-228
gameID=92587

Whoever the jackasses were who kept leaving the game and then coming back just to prolong it only to drop back off again, seriously, what the hell is your problem?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
23 Jun 12 UTC
The Future of Higher Education
Discussing changing views on higher education in generalities.
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brainbomb (295 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
The Great Debate: Steak vs.Shrimp vs. Chicken
Gonna have to say Shrimp but yea. this is pretty important.
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
23 Jun 12 UTC
Debate: Boys or girls?
Discuss.
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TheWizard (5364 D(S))
18 Jun 12 UTC
Boston Massacre FtF Tourament This weekend !!!
Who else is coming?
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WhiteSammy (100 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
Religious Threads
Open to Unleash Rant...
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
20 Jun 12 UTC
Too Rich for my Blood?
Hey. It seems like a lot of players are disinterested in playing matches where larger point values are at stake. I'm trying to understand this. Until I do, I'm curious what everyone views as an acceptable upper limit for betting? Obviously, most players would probably be okay with a 4-point buy in. But how about 24? 64? What do you feel is a comfortable betting range for an Anonymous match?
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
18 Jun 12 UTC
American Presidential Election Webdip Straw Poll
Please +1 your pick.
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tendmote (100 D(B))
18 Jun 12 UTC
Resorting to pure chaos when the game is lost for you?
Leaving names out so it doesn't turn into a grudge battle, what do people think of simply unbalancing the game when your own position is unwinnable? This occurred in a match I played recently, and to me seems like a viable strategy, particularly in non-anonymous games. If a player has a reputation for being purely vindictive in defeat, that seems like a credible deterrent. Your thoughts?
CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
18 Jun 12 UTC
I think it depends upon what you mean by unwinnable. I definitely believe you should die kicking and screaming, not quietly. My personal strategy is generally to try and make sure that only one of the people attacking me gets my centers, and the others are shut out, mainly because this strategy can, if done right, end up resulting in a stab, because alliances where everybody is gaining make everybody happy, but alliances where only one person is gaining makes only one person happy.
Randomizer (722 D)
18 Jun 12 UTC
Even when it's anonymous I don't mind suiciding against someone that stabs me in the back. I spent most of one game taking away the homeland of the junior partner in an alliance even though it eventually was useless. Watching him beg for his ally's help in knocking me out was worth it. When the game is over and all the names are revealed he will know better than to do it to me again.
emfries (0 DX)
18 Jun 12 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I
fortknox (2059 D)
18 Jun 12 UTC
I don't know if this is the unexperienced, unstable, or just not understanding a vet that does this, but 'resorting to pure chaos' is probably the best strategy for someone almost gone and can see his own grave, but it isn't entirely what you think it is.

Suppose you are getting eaten alive by the biggest player who is becoming a solo threat, but also being picked on by a few other players. You are going to die, you are surrounded by enemies... so I'd work a deal with the biggest person: Give your SCs away freely, but use my current units to cause chaos, first... So you push back at the little guys without fear of being eliminated by the big guy (yet), because he'll wait for you to cause chaos.
That's your time to convince the others that the big guy WILL solo, and you'll help because it is better than elimination. Only if those little guys work with you to push him back will the ending of the game possibly change.

It's a way to keep you in the game. Sure, if you play with morons, they'll not care and you have to make due on your wishes. Sure, sometimes the moron if the big guy and he'll take your centers without waiting and will run into a wall of the other players, but when you are playing with smart veterans, they'll start realizing the game and you'll get to stay in it...
Pete U (293 D)
18 Jun 12 UTC
Coupled with some suitably chainsaw diplomacy, especially in Global, it can be a real blast
> what do people think of simply unbalancing the game when your own position is unwinnable
That's far far better than NMR/CDing.

If I've been stabbed I do whatever I can to harm the stabber - join an alliance against him - even if I'd been fighting one of my new allies; a balls out attack on him regardless of the risk; supporting his enemies without thought of gains or losses for me; even offering up my SCs to his enemies. If it harms him, it'll do. Of course, I expect to get the same back myself when I stab someone. Even when I'm down to my last SC I never give in.
Yonni (136 D(S))
18 Jun 12 UTC
I think it's only viable if there's an exit strategy. I.e. if you are workin your way towards the stalemate line.
If you're just sitting in turkey handing your centres over to Russia, then I see no advantage.

Rather, there's always a diplomatic route (well, almost). Try becoming a merc. Cuss ad scream. Anything rather than just rolling over because things look bleak.
emfries (0 DX)
18 Jun 12 UTC
Giving away centers or just making the game interesting are not viable strategies. The point of the game is to win. If you can't win, try to draw. If you can't draw, try to survive. If you can't survive, survive as long as you can. That's how you play the game.
emfries (0 DX)
18 Jun 12 UTC
^ How you do this is up to debate, but the answer is not to try and abandon all of your SCs and let the rest of the nations have a free-for-all over them, like Austria did in the game this thread was brought about by.
Fortress Door (1837 D)
18 Jun 12 UTC
can you give support for your idea on Diplomacy?

Sometimes, threatenting (and beginning) to throw a game IS a plan to get in the draw
emfries (0 DX)
18 Jun 12 UTC
I don't think there is a way to explain my point; you should always try and do the best you can. How you do this -- "conventionally", by unbalancing the game, appeasing the nation attacking you by whatever means necessarily -- depends on the situation. All three can be used. But announcing to the world that you realize you have no chance to win and want to abandon your SCs to let people eliminate you as quickly as possible because you want to leave is not a viable strategy, as in gameID=92031 (check Austria's public press from Autumn '02 to Spring '03).
fortknox (2059 D)
20 Jun 12 UTC
Maybe I didn't explain my point earlier better enough.
If you say "I'll screw over my stabber with extreme prejudice, even if I have to give my SCs to his enemy!!" You are either a newbie, ignorant, or too emotionally unstable to play this game.

Stabbing is part of the game. You should expect it every turn and be able to applaud good stabs and, most of all, DEAL WITH IT.

If you quit the first time you are stabbed, you aren't able to play this game. Period.
There are good strategies that APPEAR like what some of you are saying, but the end goal is the same. Stay in the game, prevent a solo, try to win.

If you throw the game, regardless of how you justify it, you are a piss-poor diplomacy player (unless you are playing with idiots unwilling to try and attempt to stop a solo attempt because they are concerned about little things around them).
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
20 Jun 12 UTC
Unless it has strategic value - which it sometimes does - throwing a game is a useless idea. I've done it in order to cause wars between other nations and I've done it to earn a draw before, but I haven't done it because I felt like throwing away my land. That doesn't happen.
spyman (424 D(G))
20 Jun 12 UTC
I have threatened to throw a game before, and made moves in that direction. My stabber pretty quickly made amends however and we still stopped the solo, but I was in the draw instead of being defeated.
In this game I was Germany. England stabbed me in 1906, and I immediately offered to help Russia win.
gameID=69938
If England had not have backed off I would have gone through with it too. I feel no obligation to stop the solo if I am going to be dead anyway. Was my play unethical?
fortknox (2059 D)
20 Jun 12 UTC
Yes, that's what I mean... spyman has a good example... threaten to throw the game, even start in that direction... but the real motivation is to get back into the game, not an angry grudge revenge tactic.
spyman (424 D(G))
21 Jun 12 UTC
That's good to hear you think that tactic is okay, fortknox. Sometimes I see posts (by some people) that seem to say the strategy that I used here is not okay - that it is *never* okay to threaten to throw the game, which is silly because it can be a very good tactic.

I certainly don't do it in anger as I never get angry about diplomacy. Its purely a tactic.

Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
21 Jun 12 UTC
If you're on the ropes then its definitely viable to screw one other guy over. For me its a last resort, but as has been mentioned, there is real diplomatic power in uneven defense.
There's a difference between being defeated in battle by an enemy and being stabbed in the back by an erstwhile ally. Yes, stabbing is part of the game (the tag-line for this game is "Who do you trust?") I appreciate a good stab. I've even congratulated the stabber when it's a particularly good stab whether I'm the victim or not.

If it's a really good stab the victim will be killed out of the game so fast he wont have time to do much of anything. however, a poor stab allows for punishment. A poor stab allows for vengeance. Vengeance is also part of the game. Vengeance is often entertaining and can be very satisfying.

And I never ever ever quit. I always go down fighting. I may die, but I'll have my teeth in your neck when I do. "... to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."

fortknox (2059 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
spyman, it has been used enough that most people won't believe you until you show them. Usually after some proof, they change their tune, though ;)
fortknox (2059 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Speaker, Vengeance isn't part of the game. Vengeance is an emotion that makes you do irrational things that will lose you the game. Games aren't won by vengeance, they are won by smart, cool heads.

That isn't to say you don't go against the stabber when you have two people you can attack and both are pretty even other than the stab... I'm saying that if you are angry and emotion is steering your comm and moves, then you've already lost.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
21 Jun 12 UTC
fortknox: I disagree. I mean I am EXTREMELY vengeful in game - while maintaining a cool head outside (well, most times) and considering it a lesson in gamesmanship for the one I mean to ruin.

If a person stabs me and I feel I can't recover - in my opinion it's my duty to ensure that the one responsible dies with me. Survival is no longer priority #1 (as I've said, by this point I don't even believe it is a viable option).

Now, as I've said before, you have to be careful not to enter that mentality too soon or you won't be a good player. Most things have a path to recovery.
fortknox (2059 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
If you can't return from a stab to help your former stabber when the time is necessary, you aren't a good player. Heavy vet games have multiple stabs (sometimes 2 or 3 in a turn... in the high level leagues, I've seen 1 or 2 stabs every YEAR). If you can't brush them off and forgive former stabbers when it is necessary, you'll get eaten alive.
You stabbed me! Me! Your loyal ally! We could have had it all! We could have swept the board and destroyed the others. We could have made it! But you stabbed me! It wasn't like we were down to just the two of us. It wasn't as if you needed the builds to defend your home SCs, You just stabbed me because you could. You Bastard! You destroyed our chances and our game plan. You broke our agreement. I TRUSTED YOU! Well now I've had it with you. I want to punish you! I want to hurt you! I want vengeance! I've changed my definition of a win. Harming you is a win! If I can turn your Solo into a Draw or your Draw into a Survived or your Survived into a Defeated then I will. Have a nice death!

Not aimed at anyone at all, honest. But it is the way I feel sometimes, especially when Austria stabs Italy (me) ... AGAIN!
Sandgoose (0 DX)
21 Jun 12 UTC
^^^ Copies to use in future games*
Fortress Door (1837 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
@Speaker

i am so copying this :p.

Soon no one will stab me beacuse they know how insane I might get if they do :P
fortknox (2059 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
Speaker... quit allying with austria when you are italy. Or ally with him for a turn of two, then stab him before he gets a chance. Or.... what I prefer to do.... don't ever leave yourself open for a stab!
FieryPhoenix (227 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
Yeah right, how is that possible? At some point you have to leave yourself open to someone.
@Sandgoose + Fortress Door: Glad you like it. B-)
Ven+Tri are the only adjacent home SCs. Because of that both must immediately defend or attack. This ties up at least one unit each, which is a big disadvantage to both this early in the game. They could agree a NAP, but the urge to break it is strong, very strong because, if you can take the other guy's SC that's a big advantage to you, not only have you gained an SC *and* removed an enemies SC (and unit), but by removing the immediate threat you've freed up your unit. It's almost like you got 2 extra units instead of one. Therefore I believe Ven and Tri are more valuable in 1901 than any other SCs on the board.

That is why I say that a NAP or better still, an alliance between Italy and Austria, one that is stuck to, can be very powerful for both because it frees up the two units that would otherwise be tied up - making both countries more powerful than the other countries on the board are expecting you to be. But you have to stick to it and when it comes down to Italy and Austria such agreements almost always end in one of them stabbing the other, to the detriment of both, which I find somewhat annoying.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
23 Jun 12 UTC
I think your missing my point, FK. I'm only speaking of the stab that makes recovery impossible. Naturally if you think you have a chance to recover you should be cool about it. Our respective points aren't really at odds, I think. The only stab that I couldn't forgive was just this scenario. Sadly I failed to punish Zultar for his insolence.


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Baskineli (100 D(B))
17 Jun 12 UTC
Long time
So, how things are going on here? Anything new and exciting? :)
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brainbomb (295 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
Eugenics
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/WomensHealth/north-carolina-senate-blocks-compensation-sterilization-victims-eugenics/story?id=16628515
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Sock (0 DX)
22 Jun 12 UTC
statistics of Ancient Med
Does anyone know if there are/where i can get the statistics for Ancient Med?
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Victorious (768 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
This looks like it could be a high GR game
How is it possible this gameID=92178 ancient med game hasnt filled yet?
Look at the quality inside, with players with GR ratings of 118, 131 and 180. Looks like a lot of fun, starting within 5 hours. 2 vip places left......
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rhingley (164 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
How does the Pause Option Work.?
I'm in a game and one player has been called away unexpectedly. He has asked us to pause the game until his return. He selected Pause. As far as I can tell the clock on the game is still ticking and the FAQ is not too clear on the complete run-down.

Can one player pause the game or do a majority of players in the game have to select it as an option? I;ve issued orders in case the game does not pause for this movement phase.
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Dipwind (0 DX)
22 Jun 12 UTC
Autorefresh when turn is complete
Just got myself in trouble wacthing the clock going backwords to do my builds after a retreatment from Austria, The page didn't refresh when the retreat was ready, so, when I try to put my orders in I had only three seconds left.
Is there any way for we have a automatic refresh, otherwise we need to pass all the time clicking on teh refresh buttun? which make a 5 minute gunboat not fun.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
Where do I download "Diplomacy" by Henry Kissinger?
There's this site http://download.express-files.com/?wmid=001&q=Henry+Kissinger+-+Diplomacy+%281994%29.pdf&subwmid=98803 that tells me I have to install an executable. Should I?
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CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
21 Jun 12 UTC
Ethical Question
Looking for advice from others on webDip
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worm (161 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
The problem of NMRs
What can be done to reduce the problem of NMRs and abandoning players?
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flc64 (1963 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
Extra Time Added
I am in several games that are 24 hour periods that now have greater than 24 hours until the next phase.

What's up with that?
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Tyran (914 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
World diplomacy match needs players!
gameID=92149 it's a full press world diplomacy match. Needs 3 players in as many hours. Join now please!
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