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Favio (476 D)
16 Jun 12 UTC
EOG Live WTA-GB-31
gameID=91818

Speak if you guys want. I know my first comment is: I have no idea how the hell I made this happen by pissing off all 3 of my initial enemies. This is a perfect example of how you CAN make something happen without allies...lol
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Bitemenow10 (100 D)
13 Jun 12 UTC
no messaging games are not diplomacy
diplomacy is the art and practice of conducting negotiations between representatives of groups or states. you cant do that without contact. so why the hell are there so many anon no messaging games these days?
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JECE (638 D)
14 Jun 12 UTC
BrownPaperTiger: Um, that was supposed to read "live", not "on-line".
it is personal preference - my two pennies worth is that gunboat is a pale shadow of the fully fledged game. It lacks the bit of diplomatic tanglements - it is risk without the die.....
Draugnar (25 D X)
14 Jun 12 UTC
Then, Hannibel, you aren't playing gunboat right. Seriously, I suck at it, but even I know that you can read a lot and communicate alot with the moves alone. It's just like Russia build F StP(nc). It tells England "The Russians are coming!" in full press despite Russia assuring England they have a solid alliance. Well, Russia may have supported England somewhere the previous turn (Nwy perhaps) but then turned around and did that build. It's a good indicator of Russia's real intent and that the support was a convenience of the moment to tell a tale hiding his true intent.

The only issue I really have is you only have one shot to tell your tale and can't continually chat and reassure the guy you are about to wipe off the map that you really are his friend.
brainbomb (249 D)
14 Jun 12 UTC
There are players who are average at chess but masterful at speed chess, bughouse, and variant games. There are players who play the traditional game and revel in being at a high skill level in that game, they then seem to find it offensive when someone else claims to be good at the game by playing a completely different set of rules.

were comparing a sledgehammer to a fine Merlot and trying to compare them and say which is superior and which is inferior. the argument is invalid, there is not much comparison because full press requires tactics based solely on negotiations, gunboat is the absence of negotiation. end of story.
fortknox (2059 D)
14 Jun 12 UTC
To quote my own profile (Octavious orifinally said it):
"Gunboat is a truly dire varient of the game that takes the soul of Diplomacy and pisses all over it. The moves are painfully formulaic, the style of play is so different from the true game that most of what you learn in one form is useless or, even worse, highly misleading when applied to the other, and at the end of the day almost every game is decided by someone who doesn't know a damned thing about gunboat doing something really stupid.
The Gunboat varient is only one step more enjoyable that the infamous Pacifist varient, in which speaking is allowed but moving units is forbidden and the winner is the last player to lose the will to live."

Most people play gunboat because it can be done quickly, but is only one half of the game. Yes, you can use the 'hidden diplomacy' of looking at the moves, but once EVERYONE knows that you can view the moves, then it becomes public press without the talking.
But if you look at the true setup of diplomacy: there is no dice, there is no cards, it is straight up math (higher numbers beat lower numbers). The reason? Because the game is in the discussion and diplomacy you make with the other players.

Gunboat isn't diplomacy. It is another game. Some people enjoy it, while I think it takes the heart of the game it was based on.
I honestly think it is for people that just don't want to do the 'important' part of communicating. They want a fast game they can just zip through and get their win or loss. It is for people without patience... people that want results now. Because of this, it is full of frumpy, emotional people that will NMR and CD once they see things not go their way. It is rife with corruption in that form (NMR and CD), and in anon live games, it is also rife with cheating, as no communication and straight attacking makes it harder to check for meta and multi (or so they think).

I'd not be upset if it wasn't on the site tomorrow.

Having said that, I do understand people enjoy it, so I'd never take it from them. I do, however, wished it was ranked and awarded points different than full press games, because it isn't the same game and shouldn't be ranked with those that take their time and play the game normally...
Fortress Door (318 D)
14 Jun 12 UTC
^ i play gunboats simply because that is really all i can find recently -_-.

but i agree with that post. Well worded
JECE (638 D)
14 Jun 12 UTC
Of all 16 Diplomacy games I have played, I've only been defeated once, and it was a no press (gunboat) game. I'm not a fan either. But it is far less of a time commitment.
i agree with fortknox and his university essay response :-)
just because its quick...... would you prefer sex with an average girl very quickly or many hours with a beautiful girl....
brainbomb (249 D)
14 Jun 12 UTC
I dunno I tend to last about as long regardless of what they look like. It all feels the same in the dark anyways
SergeantCitrus (245 D)
14 Jun 12 UTC
When I play full press, I realize that my real-life Charisma stat must be somewhere around 1.

But when I play gunboat, I realize that my INT isn't all that much higher ...
Emac (0 D X)
14 Jun 12 UTC
The relationship of Gunboat diplomacy to full press diplomacy is like the relationship of Bridge to Solitaire. The use the same medium, but at unrelated games.
To paraphrase Clausewitz "Gunboat is just diplomacy by other means." I really like Gunboat, though I couldn't tell you why.
Draugnar (25 D X)
15 Jun 12 UTC
That's odd, Jece, cause your record shows 6 defeats, not just 1 as you claim.
jmo1121109 (2431 D Mod)
15 Jun 12 UTC
not only that but you've played 34 games, not 16...
Indybroughton (3407 D (G))
15 Jun 12 UTC
and Hannibal has had sex not with one beautiful woman but with many little elephants..
brainbomb (249 D)
15 Jun 12 UTC
So all this talk about gunboat makes me wonder about something. Is it the lack of Press that makes gunboat so unnerving for people, is it the high amounts of CD's, or is it the live fast paced nature of it? Maybe all of the above.

I noticed that press games, Live 5 minute games are a rarity except for with noobs, and I couldn't figure out why the live games tend to be mostly gunboats, because in theory there is nothing wrong with a quick game with press that would be speed diplomacy which is entirely different. And yet so few quality players seem to play full press live.
Al Swearengen (1623 D)
15 Jun 12 UTC
I agree with what Fortknock said. Gunboat is not Diplomacy, or a Diplomacy variant. It is a different game.
Zmaj (1688 D (B))
15 Jun 12 UTC
Fortknox wrote a great description of gunboat players. Not true for everyone, but compelling.

"Gunboat isn't diplomacy. It is another game."

True. I found WebDiplomacy after googling the phrase "pure strategy".
Perhaps people like Gunboat because lying (to their intended victim) makes them feel uncomfortable, whereas simply confusing or outwitting their intended victim (by supporting his moves, etc. before the stab) is simply cunning game play.
JECE (638 D)
15 Jun 12 UTC
Draugnar and jmo1121109: You could read a little further and find that I joined about 17 games in progress, most of those as microstates.
jmo1121109 (2431 D Mod)
16 Jun 12 UTC
Why bother? Other people join open games too, it doesn't mean those games don't count.
achillies27 (100 D)
16 Jun 12 UTC
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Brainbomb, I play live FP... In fact, I always join them if there is one, but unfortunately there aren't very many... Zestythelemon started a lot a whole ago, but he hasn't started any for a while.
Draugnar (25 D X)
16 Jun 12 UTC
@JECE - And how could we know that. You are the player of record on the games. It woild take hours of analysis to determine which were take overs and which you staryed and even then there would be false positives based on yoi buy in potentially being the same unless we looked into the press for notices about nations going CD and stuff. I sure as hell ain't spending that kind of time on it.
ghug (2734 D (B))
16 Jun 12 UTC
@Draug, he never asked you to. He's merely giving the stats that he wants to give, do whatever you want with him, but don't bitch him out.
Alex987 (174 D)
16 Jun 12 UTC
So have we reached a consensus to create more live FP games? I too only join gunboats because they are available, and I'm quite bad at them :/
Draugnar (25 D X)
16 Jun 12 UTC
@ghug - He told us tobread further which, considering he had not clarified the stats at that time, would require researching his games. So he did tell us to do that.
ghug (2734 D (B))
16 Jun 12 UTC
He was referring to the rest of his profile message, in which he lists games that he joined while in progress.
NigeeBaby (0 D (G))
16 Jun 12 UTC
After months of careful deliberation and analysis I've come to the conclusion that ghug is a geezer
JECE (638 D)
16 Jun 12 UTC
jmo1121109: Ha ha, no, of course they count. That's why I've noted down how I did in each of those games. If I join as a 1-SC "Great Power" and manage to gain a couple points I'm happy with my performance. But what matters is points, then, because those statistics you see, and my GR, are completely messed up because I join those types of games.

Draugnar: Exactly, it's all listed, and at the top of my Profile Page. If you don't want to check out those games that's your problem. I'm only concerned with reporting the truth, not with troll like you believing me. ;-)


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dubmdell (556 D)
08 Jun 12 UTC
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Daily +1 pyramid scheme
The rule is simple and laid out by zultar, our esteemed mod: you must +1 everyone who posts before you. Enjoy!
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obiwanobiwan (250 D)
15 Jun 12 UTC
Do You Hear the People Sing...Egypt Sung For *This?*
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-egypt-court-elections-20120615,0,511695.story
LA Times, BBC News, and other outlets reporting Egypt's parliament has been dissolved by their high court while keeping a Mubarak supporter on the ballot for the Presidential Election. Thoughts?
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Sargmacher (0 D X)
15 Jun 12 UTC
Crazy Tom Cruise on Youtube
Have most people seen this set of videos with Tom Cruise talking about Scientology? It makes me feel slightly sorry for him...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWgUPHVEcl0&feature=relmfu
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Zmaj (1688 D (B))
15 Jun 12 UTC
EoG: Live WTA-GB-32
gameID=91715 Game of shame.
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Sock (0 D X)
15 Jun 12 UTC
pretending to CD
Ive tried this in a recent gunboat game, and it actually ended up working out fairly well. Is pretending to CD a valid strategy?
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DiploMerlin (245 D)
15 Jun 12 UTC
kettő
I'm sorry, but I can't keep this game going. I wanted to draw months ago, but my schedule does not allow me to keep this going. Sorry again.
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Crazy Anglican (1704 D)
15 Jun 12 UTC
Need replacement Russia
Five sc's and in pretty good shape. http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=90605&msgCountryID=0
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dubmdell (556 D)
14 Jun 12 UTC
Apples and oranges
I've seen a number of discussions on the forums recently comparing two positions or ideas that are too different to reach a valid conclusion about which is better. Since invalid comparisons are in vogue right now, I thought we might discuss the classic: apples vs oranges. Go!
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Crazy Anglican (1704 D)
15 Jun 12 UTC
A repost
becuase I'm kinda tipsy and haven't anything really original to post.
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jmbostwick (2593 D)
15 Jun 12 UTC
One more for world gunboat!
gameID=91597

24-hour phases, 5pt buy-in, anon PPSC gunboat. Just one spot left!
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MadMarx (31092 D (G))
13 Jun 12 UTC
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Congrats SplitDiplomat!!!!
Not sure when you'll pass me up in points, but it's a foregone conclusion it will happen any day, so I wanted to officially pretend to be a good sport about it...
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Vaftrudner (2533 D)
15 Jun 12 UTC
Sitter required
So I have a lot to take care of the following days. I need a sitter for about five days or so. I'd appreciate if someone could sit in for me. Please PM me and I'll check if you're in any of my games. Thank you!
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Al Swearengen (1623 D)
14 Jun 12 UTC
For debate: When is a gunboat not really a gunboat?
Hey gang: I accidentally clicked onto a gunboat game and now have no real way of backing out. Others are not really being acquiescent about a Cancel, so it looks like I'm (more or less) stuck. So instead, I'm setting up this thread as a potential discussion spot for gameID=91706. If players are talking here, is it still gunboat?
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Thucydides (869 D (B))
09 Jun 12 UTC
Did anyone see Prometheus?
I am still trying to understand the opening scene. Anyone know what it meant?
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King Atom (100 D)
14 Jun 12 UTC
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I'm Really In the Mood to Lose in a Game.
Can any of you help me out?
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thatwasawkward (3611 D (B))
14 Jun 12 UTC
Full Press for Gunboaters
In light of recent forum discussions, I'd like to start a FP game for those of us that typically only play gunboats.
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Fortress Door (318 D)
14 Jun 12 UTC
Blitzkrieg Reboot
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=91667

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brainbomb (249 D)
14 Jun 12 UTC
EOG: gunboat-318
gameID=91682

Really dirty game, way too many CD's. A bunch of noobs evidently, kinda sad really, I guess I will take it as an earned win with Austria of all positions.
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Speed Game with messages.......
Plse join
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Gunfighter06 (222 D)
13 Jun 12 UTC
Question for the Top 100 Players
I was bored and looking through your player information pages while going through the Top 100, and I noticed that most of you have your P/W/D/S/D stats for each country posted. Is there a reason for that?
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brainbomb (249 D)
12 Jun 12 UTC
Government to release software designed to identify Web Trolls
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18404621

Not making this up, beware Webdip community, your days of calling someone a faggot after an NMR/CD may soon come back to haunt you. Or perhaps your anti government rants on the forum wouldn't help either ;)
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brainbomb (249 D)
14 Jun 12 UTC
Extremely unethical victory
gameID=91629

you be the judge, did Austria basically mop up on a bunch of CD'ers
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eskel96 (478 D)
11 Jun 12 UTC
Slayer
talk about slayer
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SpeakerToAliens (147 D (S))
14 Jun 12 UTC
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There aren't enough lifeboats on the EU-Titanic
http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/2690-not-enough-lifeboats-on-eu-titanic
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obiwanobiwan (250 D)
12 Jun 12 UTC
My NHL Nightmare Season Is Complete--Kings Win the Cup
First the Ducks play up and down and then completely bottom out to 13th place...
Then the Rangers blow it...
And now...now, the worst team possible to win the Cup for a Ducks fan...great win for the Kings, they deserved it, though.
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Tru Ninja (611 D (S))
14 Jun 12 UTC
Have you ever...
Opened a random game you're not in, looked at the board and gotten that tingley feeling like a very brutal stab is about to happen?

Its sorta like watchimg a horror movie and seeimg the killer and wanting to shout "TURN AROUND IDIOT!"
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smcbride1983 (517 D)
13 Jun 12 UTC
EoG: For Beginners Only-2
This is my first attempt at an EoG. I hoping to get the reasoning from Egypt for why they played the way they did.
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Zmaj (1688 D (B))
14 Jun 12 UTC
EoG: Gunboat-317
gameID=91590 Phew...
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