Germany was on the brink of elimination. If Denmark had equalized they'd have been sitting out. Ditto Spain re: Croatia. You're exaggerating now because you're a homer. Ok, I get it. Sweden & Ukraine are leagues below England & France in talent. Particularly Ukraine. Sweden at least has Zlatan.

" It isn't a conscious attempt to kill a game."

The game versus France was exactly that. Put 8-9 men in the box and give France 75% of the possession. Hodgson makes Allardyce's squads look like Brazil by comparison.

Why would have Germany been out? they had 6 , denmark 3. A tie would have given them 7 and denmark 4, and port 6 and Dutch still 0

Not sure what math we were using there to figure the Germans were going out if the game had tied.

Sorry had Denmark won, Germany would have been out.

I confused Germany w/Spain.

Hey, Germany has more points than Draug!

Ah, okay, makes more sense. I was 100% lost there, as My father is German born, so I watch them close (my mother is from italy, so i watch them also).

Tyrolian?

My father is from Bavaria. My grandmother is from Tyrolia, but Austrian side, but her parents are from Parma, and 100% Italian for at least 9 generations.

My fathers side is almost 100% Bavarian, except for a few baden and Austrian lines, and my mothers dad, is a mix of swiss/austrian, northern italian/bavarian.

So if Italy & Germany meet in the final somehow, which side are you on?

Germany. Even though I am 1/4 italian, my mother roots for Germany usually also.

I am American born though, but I love football (soccer), but our own league is...crap, so I enjoy these type of events, because it is on our regular channels here.

Italy and Germany cant meet in the final i dont think. England is playing Italy now, and winner plays Germany probably I think in semis.