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This game is a good example of being able to look ahead and see where a game was heading. It was clear that France was dealing with little opposition and poised for a solo. Turkey, while despite havign a similar amount of units, made the mistake of thinking he had an equal shot of soloing. Consequently, he ended up with an excess of fleets compared to armies and was not able to secure any stalemate line.
" Turkey, while despite havign a similar amount of units, made the mistake of thinking he had an equal shot of soloing. Consequently, he ended up with an excess of fleets compared to armies and was not able to secure any stalemate line."
Bullshit. I held my line and gave you support holds but you swung round and attacked me. You attacked me first. I built to defend myself against your pointless attack.
I don't really want to wade into what seems like it might be a longer-running argument.
However, I'd point out that the reason the stalemate line didn't hold wasn't the Turkish fleet-army distribution. It was that Italy had three fleets and one army, and needed two armies; Turkey wasn't able to help cover from Venice without taking the center, so either a Turkish army needed to be in Piedmont or Tyrolia would eventually be overtasked.
Or, to put it another way, the Italian position required six units to defend, but only had four centers. That wasn't impossible to fix, and you two did everything possible to repair it; if the Turkish army gets into Piedmont, it's drawn. But getting a Turkish army on the line was the key point tactically, and I don't think either of you made a mistake trying to make that happen. It seemed to me that you both played it very well and just ended up one tiny move short after several years of fighting over whether you could gain that tiny move back or not.
I was trying to balance the power, I had little solo threat and you were still in m territories not me in yours. The choice to build a fleet was a mistake. I do not regret my decisions, I would have made them any time. It was my mistake to have confidence in my neighbour.
Yeah, CS, the problem became that when you had a full borderline of armies, I would not have been able to keep bouncing Piedmont whilst also securing Bohemia-Galicia-Warsaw.
As for Lando's vitriolic criticism - I really do not see how his move against me in Autumn 1907 was supposed to encourage me to build armies. Of course I had to defend myself. I had no way of knowing what his intentions were - if it had been a lesser player, he may have just thrown his units at me (for reasons I had no idea) and this is what I had expected.
" I had little solo threat and you were still in m territories not me in yours."
What territories? My units were still and offered you support holds the entire time.
You said you were mistaken to have confidence in me but what exactly do you think I should have done when all your units turned round against me? What should I have done? Moved away? Please enlighten me.
I turned to be ready to fight Turkey, as with France retreating he was my biggest threat. I believe this moment was a turning point. I posed no threat to Turkey whatsoever and the fact that he attacked me in my centres implied to me he was trying for a solo, when it was clear that France had a huge advantage and the inside track. Turkey never retreated and continued to fight over the Ionian Sea, which in my opinion, was the direct cause of he and I being out of position to the extent of not being able to find a stalemate line.
I think my mistake was not being more creative with the southern line. I sh9ould have tried to shift Turkey into TYR and a fleet of mine to TUS to shore things up. I don't know if this would have been possible.
I believe that Turkey taking my moves on ION and my own green centres in TRI and VIE as a sign of attack and the fact that he is trying to pin the game on thes emoves is a good example of scapegoating. He clearly wanted the conflict in this situation, as he had solo ambitions, and now that it did not work out he conveniently attempts to blame me.
A question for him would likely be, how could I have played it any different, and have been left with a better draw opportunity. Turkey's willingness to move through a CDed country and then remove a draw vote did not leave me much faith in him. Fuirther, the fact that he needed to move right to my borders to "help" me deal with France imnpied he was not so much trying to help as selfishly gaining his own position.
Likely, he was bitter about the lepanto attempt and could not let it go, and when I move one turn in an eastward direction, he justified to himself an extremely poorly advised stab.
1. You switched from talking to me directly to talking generally and about me as if we were not having a conversation. Your use of the pronouns "he" and "Turkey" struck me as odd and slightly rude - you know who I am and if you don't want to address me then I think that is odd behaviour as well. 2. You say that I am "conveniently trying to blame you" for the game when it was you who started this thread with a massive attack on my character. I merely pointed out that it takes two of us and I have already admitted that my strategy was not perfect, unlike you. 3. I moved through a CDed country but only in the same way that you appropriated centers from the CDed country as well - I'm unsure why you're leaving out these details in your tirade against me. I removed my draw vote for 2 minutes when I considered removing Russia before reinstating it, however, I decided against that and quickly put it back up again - if that's a problem for you that I had temptations and doubts well "let he without sin cast the first stone", Lando. 4. I also think it is strange that you would think that I would hold a grudge over Italy trying to Lepanto. That's a standard opening. I am an experienced player. I have no reason to hold a grudge or feel bitter about that. I think, or thought, you know me better than that. 5. I'm sorry that you feel so upset about this game but I find your vitriolic attack on my playmanship odd. It was one game. You have made mistakes in games, you are not perfect. Ok fine, tell me where you think I may have went wrong - but please, don't speak in such a hateful manner, there's no need for it and I I find it very odd coming from you.
I'm sure some of you recall the embarrassing moments thread we had a few weeks ago? Well I have searched by google and by rote reading, page by page, and not found it. Neither did abgemacht, the sweetheart that he is, when he went searching. Any help locating it would be appreciated. I do not recall who started the thread.