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pjmansfield99 (100 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
300 Point Gunboat
WTA 25hr, semi-anon gunboat
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
13 Apr 12 UTC
Interesting quiz, relates to white privilege thread
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/03/white-educated-and-wealthy-congratulations-you-live-in-a-bubble.html

I scored 40.
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Bob Genghiskhan (1258 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
What's your favorite country for gunboat and why?
I'm curious which if any countries people prefer.
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Pacifier (100 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
votes
Hello all. Call me stupid but I have not found anything about it on the rulebook. What are the votes for and what do they mean ? Tks a lot.
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AncientMemories (635 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Replacement needed desperately
Pretty decent position of you come this turn,
gameID=84655
Well, okay not that amazon but the game is sunk unless someone comes
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Apr 12 UTC
LoL
So, I've asked this before, but I thought I'd try again:
Anyone play LoL? If so, add me (same username).
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Lopt (102 D)
13 Apr 12 UTC
How the fuck did you know?!
I got ruined again, by SplitDiplomat, how the fuck he knows?!
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
14 Apr 12 UTC
gameID=86042
EOG
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Here we go.
This game is a good example of being able to look ahead and see where a game was heading. It was clear that France was dealing with little opposition and poised for a solo. Turkey, while despite havign a similar amount of units, made the mistake of thinking he had an equal shot of soloing. Consequently, he ended up with an excess of fleets compared to armies and was not able to secure any stalemate line.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
I feel someone about to lash out to blame everyone else.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
" Turkey, while despite havign a similar amount of units, made the mistake of thinking he had an equal shot of soloing. Consequently, he ended up with an excess of fleets compared to armies and was not able to secure any stalemate line."

Bullshit. I held my line and gave you support holds but you swung round and attacked me. You attacked me first. I built to defend myself against your pointless attack.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Look at the map Lando.

You made a mistake to swing round and attack me. I never threatened you. For whatever reason you swung back to attack me - I defended myself. Look at the map and give me any date that is not true.
I did not attack you all game after I moved away from the lepanto. I held my ground while you continued to try and out-man me in the area.
Congratulations Csteinhardt for taking full advantage
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
That is bullshit.
I fail tosee me attacking you in any way shape or form, and if you are referring to me moving on TUN and NAP and TRI, my own centres, than that hardly seems like justification to throw a game.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Autumn 1907. I sat and held my position. You swung round to attack me. Why?

My fleet build came after you did that. Before your attack, I did nothing against you.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
I just presumed you were going to carry on in that direction and attack me - what else was I to think with those moves Lando?

Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
I wasn't going to keep building armies and let you outnumber me in the south.

Please - don't throw this all on me when your strategy was not perfect in this game either. This is a gunboat - your perfect amazing strategy was, unfortunately, not an obvious one.
CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
14 Apr 12 UTC
I don't really want to wade into what seems like it might be a longer-running argument.

However, I'd point out that the reason the stalemate line didn't hold wasn't the Turkish fleet-army distribution. It was that Italy had three fleets and one army, and needed two armies; Turkey wasn't able to help cover from Venice without taking the center, so either a Turkish army needed to be in Piedmont or Tyrolia would eventually be overtasked.

Or, to put it another way, the Italian position required six units to defend, but only had four centers. That wasn't impossible to fix, and you two did everything possible to repair it; if the Turkish army gets into Piedmont, it's drawn. But getting a Turkish army on the line was the key point tactically, and I don't think either of you made a mistake trying to make that happen. It seemed to me that you both played it very well and just ended up one tiny move short after several years of fighting over whether you could gain that tiny move back or not.
CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
14 Apr 12 UTC
Anyway, well played both of you, and hopefully we'll play again!
I was trying to balance the power, I had little solo threat and you were still in m territories not me in yours. The choice to build a fleet was a mistake. I do not regret my decisions, I would have made them any time. It was my mistake to have confidence in my neighbour.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Yeah, CS, the problem became that when you had a full borderline of armies, I would not have been able to keep bouncing Piedmont whilst also securing Bohemia-Galicia-Warsaw.

As for Lando's vitriolic criticism - I really do not see how his move against me in Autumn 1907 was supposed to encourage me to build armies. Of course I had to defend myself. I had no way of knowing what his intentions were - if it had been a lesser player, he may have just thrown his units at me (for reasons I had no idea) and this is what I had expected.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
" I had little solo threat and you were still in m territories not me in yours."

What territories? My units were still and offered you support holds the entire time.

You said you were mistaken to have confidence in me but what exactly do you think I should have done when all your units turned round against me? What should I have done? Moved away? Please enlighten me.
Right, we both made mistakes.

The bigger issue is that Putin has been online this whole time but still managed to CD that game.
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
14 Apr 12 UTC
That's Communist internet for you.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Lando, do you see my point of view?

You haven't said what I should have done? And I just want to know if you at least see that your moves could have been perceived my way.

I accept that you might have had more peaceful intentions - but I just wanted to offer my reasoning that I didn't necessarily feel I could trust you not to carry on and attack me.
I turned to be ready to fight Turkey, as with France retreating he was my biggest threat. I believe this moment was a turning point. I posed no threat to Turkey whatsoever and the fact that he attacked me in my centres implied to me he was trying for a solo, when it was clear that France had a huge advantage and the inside track. Turkey never retreated and continued to fight over the Ionian Sea, which in my opinion, was the direct cause of he and I being out of position to the extent of not being able to find a stalemate line.

I think my mistake was not being more creative with the southern line. I sh9ould have tried to shift Turkey into TYR and a fleet of mine to TUS to shore things up. I don't know if this would have been possible.

I believe that Turkey taking my moves on ION and my own green centres in TRI and VIE as a sign of attack and the fact that he is trying to pin the game on thes emoves is a good example of scapegoating. He clearly wanted the conflict in this situation, as he had solo ambitions, and now that it did not work out he conveniently attempts to blame me.

A question for him would likely be, how could I have played it any different, and have been left with a better draw opportunity. Turkey's willingness to move through a CDed country and then remove a draw vote did not leave me much faith in him. Fuirther, the fact that he needed to move right to my borders to "help" me deal with France imnpied he was not so much trying to help as selfishly gaining his own position.

Likely, he was bitter about the lepanto attempt and could not let it go, and when I move one turn in an eastward direction, he justified to himself an extremely poorly advised stab.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Strange response.
In what way?
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
1. You switched from talking to me directly to talking generally and about me as if we were not having a conversation. Your use of the pronouns "he" and "Turkey" struck me as odd and slightly rude - you know who I am and if you don't want to address me then I think that is odd behaviour as well.
2. You say that I am "conveniently trying to blame you" for the game when it was you who started this thread with a massive attack on my character. I merely pointed out that it takes two of us and I have already admitted that my strategy was not perfect, unlike you.
3. I moved through a CDed country but only in the same way that you appropriated centers from the CDed country as well - I'm unsure why you're leaving out these details in your tirade against me. I removed my draw vote for 2 minutes when I considered removing Russia before reinstating it, however, I decided against that and quickly put it back up again - if that's a problem for you that I had temptations and doubts well "let he without sin cast the first stone", Lando.
4. I also think it is strange that you would think that I would hold a grudge over Italy trying to Lepanto. That's a standard opening. I am an experienced player. I have no reason to hold a grudge or feel bitter about that. I think, or thought, you know me better than that.
5. I'm sorry that you feel so upset about this game but I find your vitriolic attack on my playmanship odd. It was one game. You have made mistakes in games, you are not perfect. Ok fine, tell me where you think I may have went wrong - but please, don't speak in such a hateful manner, there's no need for it and I I find it very odd coming from you.
"it was you who started this thread with a massive attack on my character."

I think you are confusing threads.

I have been talking to "Turkey" this whole time. I am trying to seperate the person from the power.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Confusing threads? Why, where else have you badmouthed me?

As for this thread, well I was Turkey in the game concerned here - so we both know that when you criticise Turkey, you are criticising me.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Never mind. I'm done with this.


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jichen (282 D)
11 Apr 12 UTC
Best convoys?
Wondering which games have had convoys that stood out for being either extremely long, decisive/critical in terms of gameplay, or unexpected. Would be interested in seeing!
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Chanakya. (703 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
EOG: gameID=86096 live anc med game.
I played very cautiously and allied to Egypt since the start of game and he was good towards me..I liked the game of Greece very mch..He was unpredictable..at some times...:)

In all a good game..
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ormi (100 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
game invitation
we need 12 more players here:http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=86025
if you want you can join us.
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dubmdell (556 D)
12 Apr 12 UTC
Help finding a thread
I'm sure some of you recall the embarrassing moments thread we had a few weeks ago? Well I have searched by google and by rote reading, page by page, and not found it. Neither did abgemacht, the sweetheart that he is, when he went searching. Any help locating it would be appreciated. I do not recall who started the thread.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
14 Apr 12 UTC
Rule #34 Violation
Could it be?
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Love Shine a Light
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovD1ZY4XKy4

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redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Apr 12 UTC
I hate redhouse
Discuss
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
14 Apr 12 UTC
EOG: theta hat
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=86034

EOGs below. A very interesting game.
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Bob Genghiskhan (1258 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
What are the mods' email again?
I'm curious.
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Pacifier (100 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
impossible to build
Hello. I have currently 3 centers and 2 units but I get "No orders to fill" during the "Builds" phase. Any idea please ?
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
13 Apr 12 UTC
EOG gameID=86017
gameID=86017

EOG thoughts?
And a chance to gloat shamelessly :P
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
13 Apr 12 UTC
SB 510
http://www.earth-matters.nl/17/1124/wetgeving/senate-bill-510-bevolking-vs-mag-zelf-geen-groente-en-fruit-meer-verbouwen.html

anyone have any pro-side propoganda?
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yebellz (729 D(G))
30 Mar 12 UTC
*** Ladder Signup and Rules ***
http://tinyurl.com/WebDipLadderRules
http://tinyurl.com/WebDipLadderSignup

See inside for general discussion. More details in the rules.
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2ndWhiteLine (2736 D(B))
13 Apr 12 UTC
Caine's Arcade
http://cainesarcade.com/

Anybody see this, particularly anybody on the west coast/SoCal?
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rokakoma (19138 D)
13 Apr 12 UTC
Ceasars, Cleopatras and Alexanders
I would like to start the 7000 D tradition on Ancient map, but first let's start with a smaller one (still the highest ever, by a lot).
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fortknox (2059 D)
03 Apr 12 UTC
FtF Cincinnati
OK, formal dates and how to sign up inside.
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dubmdell (556 D)
13 Apr 12 UTC
"abgemacht" = "it is settled" =(?) "it is finished"
abgemacht = Jesus?
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
12 Apr 12 UTC
1103 Point Gunboat
gameID=85925

If you're interested, add your name to the list below.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
10 Apr 12 UTC
Look, Foreigners, I don't hate you guys, but
Like seriously, you all have no culture. Most of you don't even make good movies. Many of you talk funny, and don't eat enough meat. Try driving an SUV, it makes you feel powerful. And seriously, what do you do for role models? I mean you don't have ANYTHING that compares to Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian. Also, why can't you afford designer clothes like a real person? USA, baby. USA.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
12 Apr 12 UTC
Sending screenshots of diplomatic conversations to other players
More information follows.
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
13 Apr 12 UTC
Any interest for a 101D gunboat?
WTA anon gunboat, 24 hours, 101 D, passworded.

Any takers?
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Leif_Syverson (271 D)
11 Apr 12 UTC
High Effort Thought is Required to Hold to Liberalism as it is Unnatural
http://psp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/03/16/0146167212439213.abstract?rss=1
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