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Those Times When Someone's Opinion Is...Just Wrong...(NFL QBs?)
...as I'm sure mine often is? ;) Well, here's a multi-million dollar example: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/joe-flacco-thinks-nfl-best-quarterback-005500221.html Yeah...I like Flacco as a QB, I honestly do...but in a league with Peyton, Brady, Eli, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees...for starters...no. NOT the best in the NFL. But...who is--rank the QBs?
I thought people got over the "Manning chokes" talk after he, you know, won a Super Bowl, and then it became obvious that he carried the team on his back when his 2011 absence made them the worst team in the league.
Carried the team on his back, sure...until he got to the playoffs. Yes...he won ONE Superbowl, after dominating for how many seasons? I'm NOT saying he isn't a great quarterback...but the GREATEST follows through all the way consistently. He fails on this point. Again..great...not greatest.
Let me make a comparison with a quarterback I can't stand, Brett Favre. Favre lost games because he tried to do everything himself even though he had a team around him that could win. He tried to force things when he didn't have to.
Peyton Manning, on the other hand, was by design and necessity the entirety of the Colts offense. He was really the entirety of their team -- the Colts defense and offensive line both kind of sucked the last couple of years he was there. The Colts were good because Manning made them good. That means that when the Colts are losing, he has to force throws and take risks because that's the only way the Colts are going to win. When that doesn't work, it isn't choking; it's just losing because the other guys are better.
Not "after being out for a year"...but "after suffering nerve damage from an operation and having to travel to Europe to get stem-cell treatment that was illegal in the US to try to regenerate his nervous system...."
You have seen the end of Peyton Manning's glory days. Will be a shadow of his once-self. and I say this as a guy who, because of Payton Manning, got his wife and girl-children to watch football with him (they loved his commercials....and stint on Saturday Night Live...whatever....they now watch football with me....because of Peyton...)
My current top 5 NFL QBs, generally speaking: 1. Rodgers, 2. Brady, 3. Brees, 4. Stafford, 5. Schaub (if healthy, which is never). Eli is probably 6. I'm disqualifying Peyton until I see him play well again.
My currrent top 5 NFL QBs, based on deep ball accuracy: 1. Brees, 2. Rodgers, 3. Eli Manning, 4. Romo, 5. Schaub
I'd say Flacco is a top-16 QB (upper half of NFL starters). I wouldn't put him top 10. Sometimes he does very nicely, and sometimes he disappears. Flacco had some monster games with Torrey Smith last year. He doesn't have an elite group of receivers, but he also isn't the elite QB to make his receivers seem better than they are. Lots of QBs do very well with one elite WR and a bunch of scrubs. Brady with Welker and scrubs (Branch, Edelman, Ochocinco) since Moss left; Stafford with Megatron and scrubs (Nate Burleson = Seattle and Minnesota reject, Titus Young); Schaub with AJ and scrubs (Kevin Walter, Jacoby Jones). Boldin had a dropoff going from ARI to BAL, maybe if Flacco were better then Q would be putting up bigger numbers.
I mean if we're going by wins then I don't see why Flacco doesn't get the same treatment that people are giving Rodgers and Eli Manning. The only reason we aren't talking about Flacco more is because his kicker missed a gimme FG & the refs took back a TD from Evans.
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"after suffering nerve damage from an operation and having to travel to Europe to get stem-cell treatment that was illegal in the US to try to regenerate his nervous system" I confess to not knowing that he had to go to Europe because the treatment was illegal in the US...
@Putin: Accurate deep throws is one of the many parts of being a quarterback and I'm sure all of the QBs can throw a half decent 20+ yard throw, if not they wouldn't be in the NFL.
Calling plays, finding whos open, the pressure and awareness. Accuracy not just in long throws, but in short throws. Flacco comes from a stacked team. His defense has his back and the ravens rarely blow leads not because the offense can rack up points, but because the defense can prevent the opponent from catching up.
There is nothing wrong with a good defense, and I generally prefer games that are small scoring, tight defense then ones with touch downs on almost every pass (the irony of being stuck with the Pats as my team).
And as for going by wins, I don't give a shit about wins, Obi is the only one who cares about wins. I don't judge a QB based on his ability to win. The two stats I care for the most is the QB rating (since although I disagree with some of its weightings, its the best 'overall' formula being offered) and the teams reliance on said QB (record with him starting vs him injured/benched, the passing yards per game of team compared to the running yards)
I admit I don't watch enough football to give a good accurate list, so I am going to go with my team and say TOM BRADY # 1!!!
Peyton has done well, and looking at how the colts did with and without him proves that he is an amazing QB, but throwing 7 interceptions in the Colts only superbowl run of the Manning era sorta makes me question if he is worthy.
Rodgers had an amazing year by any standard last year, but looking at Flynn's 480 yards and 6 touchdowns in the 1 game he played for GB last year brings something into question. The fact that it was Rogders backup that holds Greenbays record for most touchdowns in a game and most yards in a game sorta questions whether it was Rodgers that made the team look good, or the team that made Rodgers look good.
Call it blind faith but Tom Brady has proven himself, holds the record of most Superbowl appearances by a QB, most touchdowns in a year etc.
@Fasces: By your reasoning, we should discount Tom Brady's success in NE because when he went down Matt Cassel produced comparable numbers. We see now in KC that Cassel is nothing special, so Brady's success must be all system right?
I don't really believe that. The system and the quality of the players around you definitely are important, but I think Brady and Rodgers both are elite QBs. I watched all of Rodgers' college games and he is very special, and has only gotten better as a pro.
@Putin: If the Ravens had won the Superbowl in the same manner they won most of their games last season, I still don't think people would be talking about Flacco the same way they are talking about Eli now. They'd be talking about the defense and Ray Rice, giving Flacco a little more credit than they gave Trent Dilfer in 2000.
I think we'll never know how Boldin might have been had he gone somewhere else. In Arizona, some people questioned whether he or Fitzgerald was the better WR. Everybody would say Fitzgerald now, but if say Boldin had gone to Green Bay and filled the Greg Jennings role then he might still be in the conversation as an elite WR1. I don't fault Flacco for Boldin's decline in productivity. A lot of it is the system, and it was predicted that Boldin would decline in Baltimore. I'm just saying that if Flacco were an elite QB, Boldin might be doing better.
New England had a decent year in 2008, but nothing compared to the year before or the year after.
And besides look at 2008: Record against play-off teams: 2-4 Record against non-play off teams: 9-1 one could make the argument that it was a significantly easier schedule then most of there recent schedules (with exception to the last one)
Rodgers is a good QB and no doubt elite, you'd have to be to hold the record of a best QB rating in a season, but again, is that because he is the best QB ever, or because his team made him look good.
Again, I would still say Rodgers is a top 5, probably top 3, QB. But I don't think hes the best.
There is no way in ever knowing who really is the best, since Football is a team game and there is quite a lot of luck and the QB isn't the only player.
message to all special games hosts who contacted me recently
Apologies in advance for being a prima donna and taking forum space for my personal needs here, but I legitimately let a couple of invitations fall off my messages page without replying in time because of being ridiculously busy.
I Personally didnt liked England, older france and New France for leaving the game , Moreover Italy is highly critisized. I think Austria played good and Germany is very good for me or its Non Aggression!
Elites and (Reasonably Highly Rated) Scum Public Press Game
Sarg's thread made me realize that I've never played public press and would rather like to. Anyone in the top 100 GR is welcome to join, though I can increase the limit if we need more, and people in the top 50 should probably join Sarg's first (not trying to poach players here). Details are negotiable.
As the Hobbies thread seems to indicate, we have a few writers among us. Let's compose something together, shall we?
Rules: 1) Limit yourself from 1 to 3 sentences. 2) No double posts. If you make a typo, the next poster just has to roll with it. 3) No digs at other users. If I have to spell this one out explicitly for you, then don't bother posting in my thread. 4) Just have fun with it!
The Other day, King Atom professed the salvation of jesus Christ. Since then, he has talked agout fucking men in the ass. I wonder....how many believe in King Atom's ass-fucking God, Jesus Christ, who apparently is an ass-fucking homosexual??? NOT that there is anthing wrong with that....
I'm sure we all have interests besides Diplomacy. What are they? I've started making lamps out of glass bottles. You can see 2 finished ones here: https://plus.google.com/photos/112097194861235770883/albums/5726520958325469041?authkey=CNCVuouql4XN8gE What about the rest of you?
We tried this on vdip a while ago but It never really worked out, I still think its a cool concept though and was wondering if people here would like to try it. The idea is a classic game where you aren't allowed I lie. That doesn't mean you won't misdirect, or mislead people, but you can't outright lie.
My wife has reached full term and could go into labor any day now. So I figured I would go ahead and try and get sitters now while I have time (so that others don't have to wait later). The problem is I have no idea how the process works. What steps do I need to take?