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MadMarx (30192 D (G))
03 Apr 12 UTC
ABI Championship Series
Still going:

ABIC-G1: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=76750
ABIC-G2: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=76751
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Lando Calrissian (13 D (S))
30 Mar 12 UTC
Craven Country Jamboree
Anyone ever heard of this thing? Looks like the best thing on earth.
http://www.cravencountryjamboree.com/?s=5
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Sargmacher (0 D X)
05 Apr 12 UTC
Very Good Position 2 Replacements Needed
13 Center Kenya: gameID=82036

7 Center England: gameID=74851
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King Atom (100 D)
04 Apr 12 UTC
I Just Thought I'd Reiterate
From a Picture 2 years old...I present to you, a new meme!

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q592/KingAtom/Thatlldo.png
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Sargmacher (0 D X)
05 Apr 12 UTC
Good Position Replacement Needed
Please can someone replace Near-East in this game: gameID=83780

The position is good and has room for growth. Please don't let our game be ruined by this 1 CD. Thank you in advance, lovely person!
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obiwanobiwan (246 D)
04 Apr 12 UTC
Those Times When Someone's Opinion Is...Just Wrong...(NFL QBs?)
...as I'm sure mine often is? ;) Well, here's a multi-million dollar example:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/joe-flacco-thinks-nfl-best-quarterback-005500221.html
Yeah...I like Flacco as a QB, I honestly do...but in a league with Peyton, Brady, Eli, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees...for starters...no. NOT the best in the NFL. But...who is--rank the QBs?
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ckroberts (2039 D)
04 Apr 12 UTC
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I thought people got over the "Manning chokes" talk after he, you know, won a Super Bowl, and then it became obvious that he carried the team on his back when his 2011 absence made them the worst team in the league.
Celticfox (100 D (B))
04 Apr 12 UTC
So he didn't choke once or twice but on average he chokes more often then not.
krellin (107 D)
04 Apr 12 UTC
Carried the team on his back, sure...until he got to the playoffs. Yes...he won ONE Superbowl, after dominating for how many seasons? I'm NOT saying he isn't a great quarterback...but the GREATEST follows through all the way consistently. He fails on this point. Again..great...not greatest.
Fasces349 (169 D)
04 Apr 12 UTC
I didn't say greatest but to consider Flacco or even Eli in the same league as him is pure stupidity.
Celticfox (100 D (B))
04 Apr 12 UTC
I don't think anyone thinks Flacco is that great.
ckroberts (2039 D)
04 Apr 12 UTC
Let me make a comparison with a quarterback I can't stand, Brett Favre. Favre lost games because he tried to do everything himself even though he had a team around him that could win. He tried to force things when he didn't have to.

Peyton Manning, on the other hand, was by design and necessity the entirety of the Colts offense. He was really the entirety of their team -- the Colts defense and offensive line both kind of sucked the last couple of years he was there. The Colts were good because Manning made them good. That means that when the Colts are losing, he has to force throws and take risks because that's the only way the Colts are going to win. When that doesn't work, it isn't choking; it's just losing because the other guys are better.
Celticfox (100 D (B))
04 Apr 12 UTC
Well this year will be a good test for him then. The Broncos got lucky last year and are a middling team. We'll see how Peyton does with them.
Fasces349 (169 D)
04 Apr 12 UTC
The question can he still play after being out for a year?
krellin (107 D)
04 Apr 12 UTC
Not "after being out for a year"...but "after suffering nerve damage from an operation and having to travel to Europe to get stem-cell treatment that was illegal in the US to try to regenerate his nervous system...."

You have seen the end of Peyton Manning's glory days. Will be a shadow of his once-self. and I say this as a guy who, because of Payton Manning, got his wife and girl-children to watch football with him (they loved his commercials....and stint on Saturday Night Live...whatever....they now watch football with me....because of Peyton...)
Putin33 (100 D)
04 Apr 12 UTC
Flacco is very good. I judge QBs mostly by their ability to throw the ball deep and accurate. Flacco doesn't have the receivers most other top QBs have.

1- Brees
2 - Cutler
3 - Stafford
4 - Rivers
5 - Brady
6 - Worthlessberger (hate him, but guy is good)
7 - Flacco
8 - Schaub
9 - Rodgers
10 - Romo
My current top 5 NFL QBs, generally speaking: 1. Rodgers, 2. Brady, 3. Brees, 4. Stafford, 5. Schaub (if healthy, which is never). Eli is probably 6. I'm disqualifying Peyton until I see him play well again.

My currrent top 5 NFL QBs, based on deep ball accuracy: 1. Brees, 2. Rodgers, 3. Eli Manning, 4. Romo, 5. Schaub

I'd say Flacco is a top-16 QB (upper half of NFL starters). I wouldn't put him top 10. Sometimes he does very nicely, and sometimes he disappears. Flacco had some monster games with Torrey Smith last year. He doesn't have an elite group of receivers, but he also isn't the elite QB to make his receivers seem better than they are. Lots of QBs do very well with one elite WR and a bunch of scrubs. Brady with Welker and scrubs (Branch, Edelman, Ochocinco) since Moss left; Stafford with Megatron and scrubs (Nate Burleson = Seattle and Minnesota reject, Titus Young); Schaub with AJ and scrubs (Kevin Walter, Jacoby Jones). Boldin had a dropoff going from ARI to BAL, maybe if Flacco were better then Q would be putting up bigger numbers.
Putin33 (100 D)
05 Apr 12 UTC
AQ is not a #1 receiver on most teams, and he didn't get that many more yards in Arizona, where he didn't have Rice to hand the ball to.
Putin33 (100 D)
05 Apr 12 UTC
I mean if we're going by wins then I don't see why Flacco doesn't get the same treatment that people are giving Rodgers and Eli Manning. The only reason we aren't talking about Flacco more is because his kicker missed a gimme FG & the refs took back a TD from Evans.
krellin (107 D)
05 Apr 12 UTC
@Putin....that fact that you are talking about what is the ULTIMATE in Capitalist endeavors just PROVES the fact that you are a fucking fraud in your god-damned political bulllshit. Asshole.
Putin33 (100 D)
05 Apr 12 UTC
We've gone over this. NFL is the most socialized sports league ever. They split the tv revenue 32 ways. Jacksonsville gets the same amount as Dallas.
Putin33 (100 D)
05 Apr 12 UTC
And leave it to Krellin to piss on a laid back thread.
krellin (107 D)
05 Apr 12 UTC
<ROLLS EYES,,,> Yeah....the kicker on the NY Giants got paid the EXACT SAME as Eli Manning...TOTALLY SOCIALIST!!!! GOOD GOD....PUTIN IS RIHGT!!!!


Stupid bitch....Putin, you are the ETERNAL MORON. I'll tell you this...if the NFL DOES become socialist, they will be fighting over YOU for their team Court Idiot....
krellin (107 D)
05 Apr 12 UTC
Putin....not pisssing on ANYTHING but YOUR HYPOCRICY, BITCH. Putin....son of the devil...don your badge PROUDLY, bitch......after all, I AM EVIL....you are great, right? So why complain...UNLESSS YOU HAVE A GUILTY CONSCIENCE, BITCH!
Putin33 (100 D)
05 Apr 12 UTC
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Stop drinking so much. It's bad for your health.
Fasces349 (169 D)
05 Apr 12 UTC
"after suffering nerve damage from an operation and having to travel to Europe to get stem-cell treatment that was illegal in the US to try to regenerate his nervous system"
I confess to not knowing that he had to go to Europe because the treatment was illegal in the US...

@Putin: Accurate deep throws is one of the many parts of being a quarterback and I'm sure all of the QBs can throw a half decent 20+ yard throw, if not they wouldn't be in the NFL.

Calling plays, finding whos open, the pressure and awareness. Accuracy not just in long throws, but in short throws. Flacco comes from a stacked team. His defense has his back and the ravens rarely blow leads not because the offense can rack up points, but because the defense can prevent the opponent from catching up.

There is nothing wrong with a good defense, and I generally prefer games that are small scoring, tight defense then ones with touch downs on almost every pass (the irony of being stuck with the Pats as my team).

And as for going by wins, I don't give a shit about wins, Obi is the only one who cares about wins. I don't judge a QB based on his ability to win. The two stats I care for the most is the QB rating (since although I disagree with some of its weightings, its the best 'overall' formula being offered) and the teams reliance on said QB (record with him starting vs him injured/benched, the passing yards per game of team compared to the running yards)

I admit I don't watch enough football to give a good accurate list, so I am going to go with my team and say TOM BRADY # 1!!!

Peyton has done well, and looking at how the colts did with and without him proves that he is an amazing QB, but throwing 7 interceptions in the Colts only superbowl run of the Manning era sorta makes me question if he is worthy.

Rodgers had an amazing year by any standard last year, but looking at Flynn's 480 yards and 6 touchdowns in the 1 game he played for GB last year brings something into question. The fact that it was Rogders backup that holds Greenbays record for most touchdowns in a game and most yards in a game sorta questions whether it was Rodgers that made the team look good, or the team that made Rodgers look good.

Call it blind faith but Tom Brady has proven himself, holds the record of most Superbowl appearances by a QB, most touchdowns in a year etc.
@Fasces: By your reasoning, we should discount Tom Brady's success in NE because when he went down Matt Cassel produced comparable numbers. We see now in KC that Cassel is nothing special, so Brady's success must be all system right?

I don't really believe that. The system and the quality of the players around you definitely are important, but I think Brady and Rodgers both are elite QBs. I watched all of Rodgers' college games and he is very special, and has only gotten better as a pro.

@Putin: If the Ravens had won the Superbowl in the same manner they won most of their games last season, I still don't think people would be talking about Flacco the same way they are talking about Eli now. They'd be talking about the defense and Ray Rice, giving Flacco a little more credit than they gave Trent Dilfer in 2000.

I think we'll never know how Boldin might have been had he gone somewhere else. In Arizona, some people questioned whether he or Fitzgerald was the better WR. Everybody would say Fitzgerald now, but if say Boldin had gone to Green Bay and filled the Greg Jennings role then he might still be in the conversation as an elite WR1. I don't fault Flacco for Boldin's decline in productivity. A lot of it is the system, and it was predicted that Boldin would decline in Baltimore. I'm just saying that if Flacco were an elite QB, Boldin might be doing better.
1. Brees
2. Flynn
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3.-6000000000+. everyone else in the world
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600000000-whatever. Flacco
Fasces349 (169 D)
05 Apr 12 UTC
@The Hanged Man:
2007: 16-0
2008: missed the playoffs

QB rating:
Brady 2007: 117.2
Cassel 2008: 89.4
Brady 2009: 96.2

New England YPG:
2007: 411
2008: 365
2009: 397

New England had a decent year in 2008, but nothing compared to the year before or the year after.

And besides look at 2008:
Record against play-off teams: 2-4
Record against non-play off teams: 9-1
one could make the argument that it was a significantly easier schedule then most of there recent schedules (with exception to the last one)

Rodgers is a good QB and no doubt elite, you'd have to be to hold the record of a best QB rating in a season, but again, is that because he is the best QB ever, or because his team made him look good.

Again, I would still say Rodgers is a top 5, probably top 3, QB. But I don't think hes the best.

There is no way in ever knowing who really is the best, since Football is a team game and there is quite a lot of luck and the QB isn't the only player.


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President Eden (2733 D Mod)
05 Apr 12 UTC
message to all special games hosts who contacted me recently
Apologies in advance for being a prima donna and taking forum space for my personal needs here, but I legitimately let a couple of invitations fall off my messages page without replying in time because of being ridiculously busy.
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abgemacht (407 D Mod (G))
02 Apr 12 UTC
Is there a Chemist in the house?
I made a model for H3++, but I don't know what that's called.
H3+ is a trihydrogen cation, but is there a distinction between how "ionic" a molecule is?
Thanks!
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Chanakya. (645 D)
05 Apr 12 UTC
EOG:gameID=85172
I Personally didnt liked England, older france and New France for leaving the game , Moreover Italy is highly critisized. I think Austria played good and Germany is very good for me or its Non Aggression!
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butterhead (100 D)
05 Apr 12 UTC
ava was right!
Mute thread is being used a lot for me now.
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Hyperion (1065 D)
04 Apr 12 UTC
What does an economic crisis mean to you?
Just curious.. what do you think when you hear the distant term "economic crisis" on television, the news, or from the general population?

I'm just a student getting through my miserable life, searching for motivation in this supposedly upcoming damned world.
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ghug (2731 D (B))
05 Apr 12 UTC
Elites and (Reasonably Highly Rated) Scum Public Press Game
Sarg's thread made me realize that I've never played public press and would rather like to. Anyone in the top 100 GR is welcome to join, though I can increase the limit if we need more, and people in the top 50 should probably join Sarg's first (not trying to poach players here). Details are negotiable.
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King Atom (100 D)
05 Apr 12 UTC
I Thought I Could Handle It...
I thought that there was a small chance that I could simply ignore all of krellin's inane spam posts. But now...I am free. I think we all should join together by muting krellin. It is quite relieving.
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dubmdell (556 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
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Community Story
As the Hobbies thread seems to indicate, we have a few writers among us. Let's compose something together, shall we?

Rules: 1) Limit yourself from 1 to 3 sentences. 2) No double posts. If you make a typo, the next poster just has to roll with it. 3) No digs at other users. If I have to spell this one out explicitly for you, then don't bother posting in my thread. 4) Just have fun with it!
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krellin (107 D)
05 Apr 12 UTC
King Atom's God
The Other day, King Atom professed the salvation of jesus Christ. Since then, he has talked agout fucking men in the ass. I wonder....how many believe in King Atom's ass-fucking God, Jesus Christ, who apparently is an ass-fucking homosexual??? NOT that there is anthing wrong with that....
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ATF (80 D X)
05 Apr 12 UTC
World game needs players
I'm in a game called Fast World Game, as the name implies it has 10 hour turns, and it would be great to get some more players, we have a lot of open spaces and the bet is only 5
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dubmdell (556 D)
03 Apr 12 UTC
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I hate to start the Zimmerman back and forth again
But a friend sent me this news story:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/nbc-to-do-internal-investigation-on-zimmerman-segment/2012/03/31/gIQAc4HhnS_blog.html?hpid=z6
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Draugnar (49 D (G))
04 Apr 12 UTC
Diplomacy is the art of...
<*insert Diplomacy meme here*>
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abgemacht (407 D Mod (G))
01 Apr 12 UTC
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Share Your Hobbies
I'm sure we all have interests besides Diplomacy. What are they?
I've started making lamps out of glass bottles. You can see 2 finished ones here:
https://plus.google.com/photos/112097194861235770883/albums/5726520958325469041?authkey=CNCVuouql4XN8gE
What about the rest of you?
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Thucydides (975 D (B))
04 Apr 12 UTC
High chance I will be an elector to the electoral college
for Americans Elect americanselect.org I encourage you all to support Americans Elect especially if you know the value of compromise.
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Tom Bombadil (1305 D (B))
03 Apr 12 UTC
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In a Diplomacy Slump
What do you guys do to get out of a Diplomacy Slump?
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Thucydides (975 D (B))
04 Apr 12 UTC
Interesting discourse by David Banner on Trayvon Martin
Not endorsing everything, just posting for comment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H_jzYC2DQmY
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Thucydides (975 D (B))
26 Mar 12 UTC
So me and the Dalai Lama and the Congo and KA and the whole krue were going to a bar
And we opened the door and the barman was abgemacht...
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AncientMemories (174 D)
04 Apr 12 UTC
In all honesty
We tried this on vdip a while ago but It never really worked out, I still think its a cool concept though and was wondering if people here would like to try it. The idea is a classic game where you aren't allowed I lie. That doesn't mean you won't misdirect, or mislead people, but you can't outright lie.
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BosephJennett (866 D)
04 Apr 12 UTC
How to get a sitter
My wife has reached full term and could go into labor any day now. So I figured I would go ahead and try and get sitters now while I have time (so that others don't have to wait later). The problem is I have no idea how the process works. What steps do I need to take?
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President Eden (2733 D Mod)
04 Apr 12 UTC
Italian A Tyrolia to Munich has got to be one of the worst early game moves.
Unless this is carefully arranged bilaterally, I cannot possibly see any merit to this whatsoever. Yet I've been hit by it not once but multiple times recently, so clearly someone disagrees... so can someone tell me what the point of this move is?
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Tru Ninja (631 D (S))
04 Apr 12 UTC
A second new WTA Game
I've got one that started up with a low pot (25 D) and I'll be looking to fill a second WTA 2-day phase game. Looking for takers and the buy-in is up for discussion depending on need.
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Invictus (240 D)
04 Apr 12 UTC
China's Future
http://the-diplomat.com/2012/04/04/signs-of-a-new-tiananmen-in-china/?all=true
The title's misleadingly provocative, but this is an interesting analysis of how China's political system is facing real challenges.
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DiploMerlin (245 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
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Do people understand the meaning of diplomacy?
This is a very clever game, but I have to say there is a fine line between being diplomatic and lying your butt off, and I have to say I'm not impressed by the way some players play.
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Dutchy_ (0 D X)
04 Apr 12 UTC
Live Gunboat needs 2!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=85096
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