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Before anybody is banned can we get a list of all the charity work they do. You may find that they are valuable members of society and the world would be a much worse place without them. Can we also find out if they are on any kind of medication, it might just be the dosage that needs adjusting !!
Democracy does not work like this. I genuinely hope that, if every member of the site signed this thread, the mods would still be unmoved. There's a reason /you/ have a mute button. The mods do not have to be involved.
@Dubmdell that is fine for us established members but new visitors come to the site and see his homophobic, racist, sexist attacks that contribute nothing and they may be driven away. Silencing him from the forums is the only way to solve the problem that he presents to site harmony.
@ava - Really? No harm in running around calling people homophobic nicknames? He can't even refer to me by name and is what the unfamiliar with silencing newcomer sees as the face of this site. Additionally, he contributes absolutely nothing to this site in any post ever. Do you honestly think I contribute nothing in my posts? Sorry you feel that way. And if you do, go ahead and mute me then. My feelings won't be hurt and i will just return the favor.
Really Zultar, I mean mapleleaf is crude as hell, and we've all got guys we'd like to see just STFU finally, but why don't you just mute him? No need to ban him just because you feel he's not contributing. I felt the same way about Bolshoi, but despite my comments didn't REALLY feel he should be banned (not that I'm not THRILLED he is).
I find maple's B.S. entertaining at best, and blase at worst. Just let him be.
@Dubmdell and YJ, If you read my previous posts, you know that I am not for a draconian police state and that I think the individual should monitor himself and we all should be held to some standards. When an individual repeatedly spews hateful speech, the community has a charge to do something about it. I can mute him of course, but that does nothing for the community. So if we as a whole do not think that racist or homophobic or whatever else is acceptable, then we should try to change their minds through civil discourse, but what happens when the individual does not engage in any meaningful conversation and continue his tirade in what is essentially a public space? It is not like someone says an epithet and boom, we ban him. As advocated by me in another thread, we should talk to them individually, as a group, and so forth.
To do nothing -and that's what muting or ignoring essentially does- is not going to stop these individuals.
Here is an example of a real life situation: what should people do in a public setting when there are people who are being racists by either their words or their actions? Should we not speak up? Should we not try to stop the actions from taking place? To do nothing is to passively condone their actions.
@Draug, "Attempting to incite others to violence is also a federal crime (hate speech)."
Well, that's very narrowly defined. If you say words that are calculated to get somebody so angry right then that they'll leap into action and start fighting, then that would be "fighting words," and would not be protected. But I could write an article, or make a speech, about how hairstylists were ruining this country and all deserved to be shot, and that would be protected speech.
Um, yeah, putting money on somebody's head is a little different and definitely illegal.
You're right, though, the line's a little fine. If I got up and got a crowd to go murder somebody, I'd be in pretty hot water. I guess the point I wanted to make is that "hate speech" is NOT illegal, generally, nor would it be constitutional to make it so. See Westboro Baptist Church.
Plus, can you blame the guy? I think we're the only team that hasn't made the playoffs since the 05 lockout. And we've not been in the finals since colour television. If I didn't take my anger out in writing and boxing, I'd probably have a mapleleaf mouth too.
And the Bad News Just Keeps Marching In For Eden...
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/nflpa-warns-players-may-face-criminal-charges-bounty-155246283.html Even if charges aren't brought against any players...wow, now they need lawyers? More and more, the Raiders are seriously in jeopardy of losing that "dirtiest team" mantle, fair or not, to the Saints...that SB win isn't looking as clean anymore (which is a shame, to be fair...)
A former researcher at Amgen Inc has found that many basic studies on cancer -- a high proportion of them from university labs -- are unreliable. C. Glenn Begley identified 53 "landmark" publications -- papers in top journals, from reputable labs -- for his team to reproduce. 47 were frauds.
At what point does it become bad form to not draw or cancel because of NMRs/CDs? It seems like it is almost inevitable to have at least one cd in live games, but is it bad to profit because of that and push on for a solo despite all the other players voting for a draw/cancel?
WebDiplomacy and The Final Crusade? (Game Proposal/Invite)
I think it's safe to say one of our most discussed/popular/maddening discussion topics here on the threads has been religion--one vs. another, atheism vs. theism, discrepancies between definitions of those identities (see: SC and I having a near-Jewish Civil War) so...anyone up for a game? Represent your denomination/branch of agnosticism/branch of atheism, we'll chat...have some wine...last players standing "win" The Last Crusade...? ;)
Looks like a player in our game got kicked out and someone took their place. The game is here: http://webdiplomacy.net/map.php?gameID=84494 The player in question is India, who was eighnjel or something like that, and is now timgard. India didn't log in all weekend but Argentina has never logged in and has not been kicked out. Is there any way to reverse this? Why did it happen? How do we replace Argentina?
How would you all like to be in on an experiment? How about I mod the forum. Any hate, trolling, etc... I see I silence. If the op posts it again because I silenced the thread, I ban. Maybe then you guys will appreciate the freedom and stop trolling and crapping up the forum. Thoughts?
In Defense of mapleleaf, krellin, and All the Rest...
We've created them. They have as much right to speak their mind and spew as much vitriol as I spew Shakespeare...the same way we've made me into the seeming embodiment of the long-winded pseudo-intellectual Ivory Tower elitist, we've created these trolls, too...you pay them heed, and you lend credence to their creed. Respond, mute them, ignore them...but they have their right to speak, too...
After listening to your suggestions about self-moderation, we've decided to try something new. Basically, we will give a user with a reasonable record mod privileges for one day to help keep order in the forum. We hope this will prevent any one person from going crazy with power, as it will only be for 24 hours. If you're interested, please post here.