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I would like to remind people that self-moderation is not the same thing as no moderation. You are responsible for the content you post here. Please keep in mind that this is a site for Diplomacy and we would like to attract new members and keep veterans. Recently, there has been a lot of bile on Forum and we don't like it. So, please, consider what you post. It would be a shame if we started losing members. It would be more of a shame if we were forced to actually moderate the Forum.
I am painfully aware of the slippery slope that is censorship, which is why I made this thread, so it should be discussed. I should mention that mod intervention isn't even on the table atm, as Kestas and I are still strong believers in self-moderation.
Everyone would agree not to interact with that person, something on the list gets posted, it cheeses off one person, they go and respond, then the thread gets full of people defending the "victim", or bitching that they shouldn't respond (even though they are making it worse by responding), and the discussion devolves into a shitstorm.
Why do I know this will happen? Cause every damn person on the site knows how not to feed the trolls, yet half this forum is trolls with 100+ replies.
The only way self moderation would truly work is for every member to upvote and downvote forum posts. But, as krellin has said, this could cause corruption of the majority. Because if 80% of the members are pro-scub, and 20% are anti-scub, any anti-scub post will get downvoted along with stuff like ethnic slurs. Corruption.
The one thing I want to avoid is scaring away new players because our forum resembles 4chan. Kestas's idea (from my understanding) was to give people tools to mute the idiots... the problem is, most new users have to deal with EVERYTHING before even understanding how muting works. So it isn't tough for a new user to come on, see the ethnic slurs and personal attacks on the forum and decide this isn't the place for them.
I suspect one of 3 things happening, from most likely to least likely: 1.) The forum becomes a discussion of diplomacy related subjects, only. 2.) The forum becomes heavily moderated, which everyone will hate (because heavy moderation is biased and a lot of 'gray area' calls) 3.) The forum devolves into 4chan 4.) The forum cleans itself up on its own
LOL! Well, the replies to krellin and maple don't quote them so one has to either hit ESC as the page loads to read the original or just scratch their head and wonder what the hell they said this time. :-)
I would certainly be sad to see knox's #1. I'd probably drift away from the site, because I'd never get to know anybody (playing diplomacy is fun, but talking about it all the time? Yuck!) and thus would not get enticed into further games.
Oh, and one other thing -- knox makes a good point. Why not make it clearer, in the introductory email or something, say, that the community has a strong tradition of self-moderation, but one might want to use mute heavily if one is offended?
You are just as likely to lose new players by them receiving abusive messages directly from other players for reasons such as 'they didn't follow website etiquette' when playing gumboat games. Maybe you can ask people to agree to a general code of conduct requiring them to act with a bit more class and maturity and ask them to take their hate and their bile to Facebook.
I can think of a few other quick options 1. Everyone on the site is given a button on their profile with a counter set at some number, 10, 15 whatever. You can go on anyone's profile and vote. If their counter reaches 10 they are muted for a day, every post/thread/comment. Yes I realize the problem of abuse so there would have to be some way for the mods to remove other members voting option if they repeatedly voted for no reason.
Option 2: Some person continuously trolls the forum, the mods receive complaints, other members whine about this person. At the point where the mods become fed up they make a new thread titled "Permanently mute XXXX?" Vote yes or no, leave said thread open for a week. If there are more yes votes then no, then permanently mute said person. Maybe give them a second chance in a month or so if they promise to stop trolling. This option would be a measure less sever then banning, but still a rarity.
Option 3: Kidnap annoying trolls and drop them in the congo...this option is a joke.
Not that this will get through because he has me muted but...
@Mujus - Reducing the extremely vile communication isn't going to eliminate the use of swear words. Most of us agree the hate speech has to go, but the use of words like fucktard and calling people fucking idiots will still remain. So you are still going to see shit your overreactive hypersensitive self will be forced to mute.
Considering the witch hunts that would arise in the past against "cheaters" based on no evidence at all, I cannot support solutions that allow individual members to directly affect another player's account.
You know....thre are rules on this site, one of which is "NO CHEATING ACCUSATIONS IN FORUMS"....Which individuals like Draugnar violate REPEATEDLY, even to the extent of accusing MODS of cheating...and Draugnar isn't yet banned. So...until we can follow the PUBLISHED rules, isn't this conversation, again, a little ridiculous?
TC doesn't post nearly as much as he used to. Why? He muted everyone, and everyone muted him...and maybe he got tired of it. Like all things, the hostility of threads goes up and down, ebbs and flows...in part this happens in pace WITH SOCIETY and the issues on the public's mind. I think this is s A GOOD THING...
When I *first* started playing on this site, I can not tell you how many times I read threads that were overflowing with brutal, anti-Semitic HATRED. It was like a bunch of neo-Nazis had been let loose on this site....it repulsed me...and yet I stayed. Maybe some of the vile manners that some display is because they see it, and they feel free here to sometimes fly off the handle and vent, knowing that this is a site about truly having free discussions, where so often there is truly no other place where these discussions can be had.
Does that mean "hate speech" (whatever that is...I'm still waiting for a definition. a *word* is not hate speech...hate to tell you that...).
Forgot to finish my thoughts... Anyway....if you can't handle "hate speech" from some anonymous forum post....then I kind of pity you in real life, which is *full* of hate, whether you like it or not...Maybe this is just a good training ground for people to grow a little thicker skin, and learn to deal with reality, with the real thoughts of real people in the world around you instead of being so naive as to think you can "clean things up" and live in some thought-controlled Utopia...
Looking for a new game. Passworded to keep out the CDers. Who wants to join me? I'll be a good sport even when losing. Lord knows I got plenty of experience in that. Hah! Small pot, 2 day phases, WTA of course. I was thinking 10 to 20 (d)?
I have not played a good (or any) public press game for a long time. I wonder if it is possible to have 7 out of the top 50 GR players join such a game. This can be anon or non-anon and it should be 36 or 48 hours. WTA only. Indicate your interest inside (please sign up only if your April GR rating is between 1 to 50)
Oh my...I knew it was coming but...WOW, does that Stooges film just look awful! Larry's a mess! Moe's just not right! Even Curly isn't funny, and...an iPhone joke? Really? An iPhone joke in a Stooges movie?! Hollywood...why must you steal from the past...and ruin it...???