it works well if Russia and Turkey keep true to it, there has to be a lot of trust, because then the backside (East edge of the board) is completely immune from attack. As long as Russia can dominate the northern waters and Scandinavia the juggernaut just pushes forward like a steamroller

I find it's a lot more successful in live games where people have less time to spot and react to it than in normal games where people figure it out and counter it very quickly.

I think in general that fear of a juggernaut > strength of a juggernaut. And that fear of a juggernaut gives France a direct pass to the endgame.

A "western" juggernaut of England/France is usually much more successful if they keep to it anyway because it's much less feared.

The fear of a Juggernaut is certainly equal to its strength...

I've seen it pulled off, but at least on a 1:1 or even 3:2 ration against, it causes Italy, France, and England to unite and push the other way...

Summarily causing Germany and Austria to wonder why the hell they even joined this game. ;)

*ratio

I think only one of my wins/successful draws was due to a successful juggernaut, whereas 2 or 3 are from AngloFranco alliances.

Indeed, on vdip I play a FoW in which all people concentrate on the jug which practically forces R/T to do.a juggernaut since they are the targets, meanwhile I as France stab all countries 1 by 1 and now I probably have more SCs as jug (I have 10 and still they fear the jug, though now some people start to think...

FoW is fun. Wish it could be an option here.

fow is not fun when you are austria

@Hellenic Riot:

Actually, now that you mention it, albeit perhaps inadvertently, I HAVE seen a lot more Anglo-Franco alliances succeed than Juggernauts...I wonder why...easier to mask?

anglo-franco works like a charm

@obiwan

a) There's not too much paranoia about it. If it starts to beat Germany then Russia, Turkey, Austria and Italy don't suddenly turn around and charge into them.
b) It's easier to keep going in the long term because they tend not to get in each others way until they reach Austria/Turkey in the east (England goes through Russia, France through Italy, share Germany) whereas in a Juggernaut there is immediate competition in the Balkans.
c) Stabbing is less likely because the first move will not get you lots of SC's usually, maybe one or two, and it is easier to then defend against it. Whereas if either Russia or Turkey open a large attack on the other, they will have a pretty good chance of steaming to a win.