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Putin33 (111 D)
08 Dec 11 UTC
Awesome
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/12/07/384272/hillary-clintons-landmark-lgbt-equality-speechin-4-minutes/
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
08 Dec 11 UTC
Could a moderator please look at my email
Thanks
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delanceydirect (104 D)
08 Dec 11 UTC
its bloody cold in bavaria
looking for 5 additional players - is anyone there?
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
19 Nov 11 UTC
Teach a group of high school students to play Diplomacy, akin to SoW
I am a high school teacher, and we have a Diplomacy club. We are going to start an online game, and I was wondering if there are people interested in walking them through the game.
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Hominidae (67 D)
07 Dec 11 UTC
vdiplomacy.com: what is it?
I found a mysterious website called vdiplomacy.com. It claims to be webdiplomacy and has a similar format, but it's not exactly the same, and it has lots of variants available. Anyone know what this is all about?
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Frank (100 D)
07 Dec 11 UTC
The Conservationist series
Why were these games paused? Will they be automatically unpaused?
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
02 Dec 11 UTC
MadMarx ABI-48 EoG's
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=69815
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rokakoma (19138 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
You Got To Be Kidding, Austria Again? - EOG
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
What is Donald Trump's Base?
I'm confused
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LordShaper (100 D)
07 Dec 11 UTC
"New Game" dosn't work.
When I go to games, I can't access the new games tab, forcing me to make my own game everytime I want to play. Is there a fix? It says "New game~28" And then it says no new games avaidable.
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
06 Dec 11 UTC
EOG: Rematch of doooooom
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=71224

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krellin (80 DX)
07 Dec 11 UTC
The Art of the Deal...
So here's what I learned from WebDiplomacy: It isn't about the deal...it's about what comes AFTER the deal.

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President Eden (2750 D)
07 Dec 11 UTC
What happened to DiplomacyCast?
http://diplomacycast.com/
Everything since mid-August is gone...
Paging DipCastGuys, Babak, et al - what happened to my favorite cast? D:
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Maniac (189 D(B))
07 Dec 11 UTC
Real life maths problem
Please see inside (but give me a minute or two)
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HalberMensch (1783 D)
07 Dec 11 UTC
World Gunboat-Game: Player
Dear forum readers, i'm wondering about this game:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=72817
Russia has "left" the game (or was banned?), according to the players list.
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HaroonRiaz (249 D)
07 Dec 11 UTC
Happy 80th Birthday Allan B. Calhamer and Thank You!
Today, on his 80th birthday, let us celebrate the man who made it possible for us to enjoy one of the most remarkable strategy games ever created. None other than Allan B. Calhamer of course.

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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
07 Dec 11 UTC
Big East Survives
And gets better?
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Yonni (136 D(S))
05 Dec 11 UTC
Baseball offseason
So, there seems to be a lot of football fans on here but is anyone following the MLB off-seaso?
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MichiganMan (5121 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Cheating
Before anyone bites my head off, I am not naming names nor a particular game -- just wanted to tell the members of the site about an alarming trend, and how two incidents have been handled in divergent ways.

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jpgredsox (104 D)
04 Dec 11 UTC
Alabama or Oklahoma St.?
Which one deserves to get the second spot in the nat'l championship? Both are 1-1, oklahoma state has a conference title and more wins against ranked opponents, but alabama plays in a tougher division and had only lost to the no. 1 team, LSU. What do you guys think?
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cujo8400 (300 D)
07 Dec 11 UTC
Live Game // Gunboat // WTA
gameID=74179 // 50 D // WTA // Anon // Gunboat
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Yonni (136 D(S))
07 Dec 11 UTC
New 'variant' suggestion
A gunboat variant where you could see who had joined but did not know who played each country. That would allow you to screen who you played with and could avoid obvious cheating red flags. Just a thought.
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Mafialligator (239 D)
05 Dec 11 UTC
So Hermain Cain has been quoting Pokemon in his speeches
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/03/herman-cain-quotes-pokemon_n_1127221.html?ref=mostpopular

Yeah. Apparently this is a thing now. I have no idea how to react. Seriously, just what?
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
06 Dec 11 UTC
Face to Face game via webcam
I thought of a good idea, arrange a face to face game via Skype or gmail chat. It would be fun and ann another dimension to the game and make it close to a real face to face except yo arn't next to one another. Post about ideas thoughts or interest.
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Flameofarnor (306 D)
07 Dec 11 UTC
Normal Diplomacy like played in real life
gameID=74163 Cheap and easy 5 minutes left
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Jacob (2711 D)
07 Dec 11 UTC
gameID=73595 needs 3 more in the next 2 hours
500 pt wta game. You know you want in. I'm in it, and you want to beat me don't you?

gameID=73595
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Flameofarnor (306 D)
07 Dec 11 UTC
Open, Cheap, Traditional Diplomacy
Join up gameID=74163
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Putin33 (111 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Who will win the Heisman?
Statistically, Griffin III should be a shoe-in.

Richardson would be the #2, but he isn't even in the top 5 in rushing this season.
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
06 Dec 11 UTC
Its interesting this year because I think a legitimate case can be made for all of the finalists (except maybe Matthieu) I would put them in this order:

1. Ball
2. Griffin III
3. Richardson
4. Luck
5. Matthieu
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
06 Dec 11 UTC
And I know lots of people won't like the Ball pick at 1, but I can't ignore the stats. And sure the Big 10 isn't spectacular, but they aren't pushovers either.
hammac (100 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
What is a Heisman?
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
06 Dec 11 UTC
I suspect that Richardson will win it though, because of the undying love the SEC gets.
SuperSteve (894 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Griffin gets it as an apology to the big 12.
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
06 Dec 11 UTC
@hammac: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisman_Trophy

It is a trophy that goes to the most outstanding player in collegiate football
Putin33 (111 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
My thinking about Ball is colored by the Ohio State game, in which he was boxed in by our defense which wasn't very good all year against the run. Of course in the aggregate his numbers are phenomenal and he has 200 more yards than Richardson off a dozen more carries.

My 5 would be:

1 - RGIII
2 - Richardson
3 - Ball

4 & 5 don't even deserve invitations. Barkley & Weeden deserve spots over Luck and Mathieu's invitation is a joke.
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
06 Dec 11 UTC
"4 & 5 don't even deserve invitations. Barkley & Weeden deserve spots over Luck and Mathieu's invitation is a joke."

I sort of agree. I don't think Matthieu should be in. Haven't seen enough of Barkley to rate his performance. I can definitely see Weeden having a spot instead of Luck, but I do think Luck is deserving of nomination.

And I don't have any real problems with your rating either. The top 3, to me, are all very close. Ball certainly won't get it, but I think it may be hard for some voters to justify putting Richardson ahead of Ball. Which only helps the chances of Griffin III
Who will, or who should?

If will, the major sports outlets are reporting that Griffin is rockin' the #1 votes right now. I would go, for "will":

1. Robert Griffin III, Baylor QB
2. Trent Richardson, Alabama HB
3. Andrew Luck, Stanford QB
4. Tyrann Mathieu, LSU DB
5. Montee Ball, Wisconsin HB

Should, on the other hand... "most outstanding" is really subjective, of course, and the criteria never seems to be consistent. I'm judging based on 3 factors:
(a) What the player has done to set himself apart from the others at his position;
(b) What kind of success has the team had as a direct result of the player's performance;
(c) How many plays has the player made which immediately changed the tempo/momentum/etc. of a game

Based on those criteria:

1. Griffin III
2. Ball
3. Mathieu
4. Luck
5. Richardson

And I'm not being a homer with #3, despite what people are bound to claim. Mathieu played the decisive role in LSU's wins over Oregon, Arkansas and Georgia and was a major part of the win over Alabama.
Putin33 (111 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Barkley passed for something like 400 more yards than Luck and had a better TD/INT ratio. When it came to their best mutual opponent, USC beat Oregon while Stanford got blown out (Barkley threw for 4 TDs/1 INT while Luck had 3 TDs and 2 INTs a quite a bit less yardage). Oregon's coach certainly thought Barkley was better. In the head-to-head the stats were pretty close, although Luck had a better game there (mainly I think because Woods had a terrible game vs Stanford). There's a general sense though that Luck underachieved in a year where he was the unanimous pick to be god's gift to football whereas USC under Barkley surpassed expectations.
Yeah, Barkley not getting invited while Luck did was unfortunate. I'd put Barkley in Luck's spot easily.
Putin33 (111 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Mathieu at #3 is pure homerism. The guy had 2 INTs and 2 punt returns for TDs. How does that qualify you to be ahead of Montee Ball, who almost broke the single season record for TDs and led the country is rushing?
Putin33 (111 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Sorry I conflated your lists.
2 INTs, 2 punt return TDs, 6 forced fumbles and 4 fumble recoveries. How do you ignore the fumbles? That's been his primary big-play contribution... hell, he's already broken the career forced fumbles mark at LSU. He's having a season that's statistically very similar to Charles Woodson's 1997 Heisman season.

And I put Ball at 2, Mathieu at 3.
Ahh, gotcha, last sentence redacted then.
Putin33 (111 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Mattieu is no shut down corner and he played in a weak passing conference. If you're not even the best at your position why should you be a heisman finalist?
Putin33 (111 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Heck, Mattieu isn't even the best DB on his team.
Mathieu doesn't play one set position, which is why I listed him as a DB instead of a CB/S/etc. It's his ridiculous versatility - and the number of game-changing plays he's made as a consequence - which have him in the Heisman discussion; pigeonholing him into being a corner is like saying Sam Bradford shouldn't have won the Heisman in 2008 because he only had 47 rushing yards.

In any one game, Mathieu will play:

* in the nickel slot, which in LSU's scheme is equivalent to playing as an undersized outside linebacker
* primary or secondary cornerback
* free safety
* punt returner
* kick returner
* gunner

And make big plays at all of those spots.
Cachimbo (1181 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Mathieu.

I know nothing of College American Football, but I know a real good name when I see it! That's a French name, and it's mine on top of it! So I'm all for him making my name famous until I do so.
Muhammad Sanu on a write in ballot
Griffin for the win.
fortknox (2059 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Don't give me stats. Players play in different systems in different conferences and against different types of competitions. If you want to talk stats, please vote Case Keenum and sit over in the corner with the stats guys to be ignored, k?

Barkley has a better line and WRs than Luck. Luck had a better year last year. Griffin played against poor competition (most of the big-12 are poor this year) and is in a spread system similar to Houston's, so it gives him inflated stats. Ball is a wisconsin back, and after Dayne we know this is because the badgers have superior lines, not because of the back. Richardson is in the SEC, so he hasn't shown a ton of amazing plays because of the still defenses he needs to face. Mathieu is a wildcard, but the Heisman has a long standing tradition of ignoring defensive players, even if they are as big a playmaker as Mathieu.

If you ask me, I say Luck or Griffin with Mathieu a wildcard. If I had to pick, it'd be between Mathieu and Griffin with Mathieu probably taking it.
Putin33 (111 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Tebow played in a spread offense, oh but he played against the SEC, blah blah blah.

"And make big plays at all of those spots."

Except if those big plays involve covering receivers.

Woodson had 8 INTs and nobody wanted to throw his way.
Frank (100 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Montee Ball is the most deserving candidate. Led the country in rushing yards, will probably break Barry Sanders' TD record, and had some of his best games against very good defenses (for example, 151 vs nebraska and 156 vs penn st). He also had a much better yards per carry average than Richardson, and Ball's numbers over the last five games have been ridiculous. Plus, he plays for a BCS bowl team.

Barkley should've been invited instead of Matheiu. USC got hosed in general this year.
MichiganMan (5121 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
The Heisman's mission statement is to reward the "Most outstanding college football player..."

This year I've watched a great deal of college football -- more than almost any other year. Without a doubt in my mind, RGIII is the "most outstanding" player in the nation. I always look at the "without him" test -- i.e., how is his team without him.

Alabama is just as good without Richardson -- they have a pretty dull offense anyway and behind that OLine, most decent backs are going to get 1000 yards. He's a great RB, no doubt, but he's not the reason Alabama is playing for the NC.

LSU isn't going to lose any games without the Honey Badger. In fact, the games he sat out were still victories for LSU. He's a game changer for sure. But, as a Michigan Man, I can tell you 100% unequivocally that without Charles Woodson in 1997, Michigan doesn't go undefeated and does not win the NC -- he near singlehandedly won several games with INT's and kick returns for TD's. Mathieu has done similar things, but not to the extent that Woodson did.

I would say that Stanford isn't anywhere near as successful as they were this season without Luck. But, in the biggest of game vs. USC and Oregon, to me, he didn't get it down. By contrast, Baylor is nothing without RGIII and in the biggest games, he came up HUGE.

Easy choice, but I am sure the voters will mess it up.
fortknox (2059 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Frank, please see my comment on stats... then about wisconsin backs.

a game against neb and against pennst (while under major controversy) isn't the same as all the games against SEC opponents. I would have loved to see Balls 25 yard game against alabama or lsu...
MichiganMan (5121 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
I think Montee Ball should be included in the discussion, and possibly be #2 behind RGIII. But again, Wisconsin wasn't winning games because of Ball, he was a big part of their success this year, but Wisconsin is still a good team without him. For a RB to win the Heisman, IMO, they have to not only put on a dominating display, but it has to be obvious that they were the reason that their team was successful. When Ricky Williams won it, it was obvious. When Barry Sanders won it, it was obvious. That was why I disagreed with Reggie Bush winning, and thought that it should have gone to Vince Young -- USC was not winning because of Bush, while Texas relied almost entirely upon Young's brilliance.
Frank (100 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
@fortknox: How else do you judge players if not stats? The SEC is a good conference, but I won't just take your word that Alabama's opponents were better at run defense than Wisconsin's. In fact, Wisconsin played more top 30 opponents than Alabama. And other than LSU, what great defenses did Alabama play? (Richardson didnt score a touchdown and averaged less than 4 yards a carry against lsu)

Also, I don't buy your argument about Ball's success being a product of his o-line but that not being true for Richardson. 4 of Alabama's starting o linemen are projected draft picks and they obviously blocked well for Ingram. Bringing up a wisconsin RB from more than 10 years ago who played under a different head coach and who then didnt pan out in the nfl is irrelevant

@MichiganMan: that is a good point. Although in that case why did Tebow win when his team was only 9-4? But yeah, if its an award for most valuable, then it would be Griffin or Luck.
MichiganMan (5121 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
I don't remember the other players in the discussion when 9-4 Tebow won the award. There are some years when there just isn't as much competition, and the choice is relatively obvious. That year the finalists were Brennan, Daniel, McFadden, and Tebow -- that's a QB from Hawaii, a QB from Mizzu, RB from Arkansas, and a QB from Florida. No real competition.

Also, as we're now seeing in the NFL, Tebow has something unexplainable that seems to captivate people and make them swoon over him. Michigan kicked the shit of Tebow and the Gators that year, and to be honest I wasn't too impressed with him.
fortknox (2059 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
I don't think richardson is deserving either, Frank.

And there's a saying in football (maybe more sports): "Stats are for losers."
This means that people more concerned with breaking records instead of doing what is needed to win tend to lose games.

So a RB may sit once a game is out of hand, without getting a TD because WRs have been breaking short pass plays for TDs. QBs may not have a great game because the opponents run defense is so porous that they are getting 20 yards per play on the ground. Stats is something I don't mind looking at, but when someone says "Barkley had a better game against Oregon than Luck" or "Ball has so many more rushing yards than Richardson", I balk. I'd rather watch multiple games and see who shines when they are asked to shine. I take into account opponent defenses, situation, personnel that assist the star (like o-line for RB, WRs for QB, etc...).

Stats are something you look at, but never a good measuring stick in a comparison.
Houston's Case Keenum broke countless passing records, yet isn't getting much talk. Why aren't we talking about Keenum being sooo much better than Luck? If you can't make that comparison (which is a good thing), you shouldn't do it with other players.
Putin33 (111 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
And based on all of that, you give it to Matthieu even though he's on LSU's defense top rated defense and played in a conference with few top rated QBs? Ok...
Putin33 (111 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
If all I concerned myself with was stats, I would have Ball over Richardson. The reason I don't is because of Russell Wilson (and because I wasn't impressed when he played OSU). Even though Richardson is helped by Alabama's defense.
Putin33 (111 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
"a game against neb and against pennst (while under major controversy) isn't the same as all the games against SEC opponents. I would have loved to see Balls 25 yard game against alabama or lsu..."

And yet Penn State did a much better job vs Richardson than most of the SEC. Funny, that.
Cachimbo (1181 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
I gotta say: it's really cool seeing you all discuss a guy who shares my family name!
Frank (100 D)
07 Dec 11 UTC
@fortknox: OK, I agree with you that players shouldn't be concerned about their own stats. But statistics are still a way to compare players. Obviously its tough in college because of the varying schemes, levels of competition, etc. But it still plays a role. Who has your Heisman vote and why?

@Putin: I feel like Wilson benefits more from the running game than vice versa. He wasn't an amazing QB while he was at NC State.
☺ (1304 D)
07 Dec 11 UTC
It may not be Mathieu (But I do think he's a legitimate contender) but it's ridiculous that Defensive players are always overlooked for the Heisman. There's no way that an offensive player is the most outstanding player *every year*. It happened with Eric Berry several years ago, and it will happen with Matthieu, even though he'll improve in years to come. Stopping a touchdown is one hell of a lot bigger feat than scoring one, but defensive players never get recognized for it because statistics don't summarize them as easily.


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Agent K (0 DX)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Rules question
Reading Madmarx's EOG thread raised a question i had.

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Rascal (100 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Sitter?
I need a sitter. I'm in two games, both of them at least 1 and a half days per phase.

I apologize to the people I am playing against. Real life has become too hectic for me to continue to play here.
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