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Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Oct 11 UTC
Hey guys whats up from fatick, senegal
i wont see your responses but i just want to say i love you guys and im doing good lol
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Raptorfire (100 D)
29 Oct 11 UTC
Balance of Power Live
Anybody for a 5min/phase game?
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phyneo (100 D)
29 Oct 11 UTC
World War-III
Should be a blast...sign up!
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
28 Oct 11 UTC
Considering building a desktop computer, looking for advice.
And is anyone familiar with the new AMD bulldozer 8 core processor? I hope to use it.
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
27 Oct 11 UTC
Game for people with Ghost ratings from 51-722
Si i can play with some good competition that lets me in. Im 722 currently. Will likely be 10 point, anonymous, WTA. unless popular demand requests otherwise. Interested players post here.
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spyman (424 D(G))
28 Oct 11 UTC
What was your Diplomacy experience before Webdiplomacy?
For some people this is where it all started. For others, they had been playing face to face or on other websites, or even here on an earlier account.
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fortknox (2059 D)
27 Oct 11 UTC
Last Dance
Last Dance with Mary Jane by Tom Petty is a song about a guy at the prom wanting a last dance with his girlfriend Mary Jane before they both go to separate colleges.

Discuss.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
28 Oct 11 UTC
The trolls' lair
http://memegenerator.net/instance/10972062

Let's speak in memes.
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
27 Oct 11 UTC
A case study as to why I don't like worker's unions
I'm not saying this happens all the time, but: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45061924/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001#.TqmLd7L2ksI
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
29 Oct 11 UTC
looking for people to join a game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=71043

PM me if interested.
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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
25 Oct 11 UTC
HALP PLZ!!!11!!1!!
I wasentering orders then I accidentally the whole thing, can amny1 HALP?!?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
28 Oct 11 UTC
Conference Realignment
Death blow delivered to my conference when hill billy's left town what next?
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
30 Sep 11 UTC
SoW Summer 2011 Game 1 EoG's
Yup.
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Pete U (293 D)
28 Oct 11 UTC
New France needed
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=70318

pm me for the password - we will unpause when we have a new one
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Geofram (130 D(B))
28 Oct 11 UTC
NaNoWriMo 2011
Anyone here participating? For those that don't know, its National Novel Writing Month. You write a 50,000 word novel by midnight November 30th.This'll be my fourth year and I highly recommend giving it a shot.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
28 Oct 11 UTC
WHAT A GAME IN ST. LOUIS! 10-9 CARDS IN 11 INNINGS!!! GAME 7 TOMORROW!!!
WOW!

THAT certainly has to be up there with the great games all-time in World Series History! Down to their last strike and down by 2 TWICE in the 9th aND 10th, the Cardinals tie it each time, and David Freese wins it in the bottom of the 11th with a HR!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A GAME!
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Hman125 (100 D)
27 Oct 11 UTC
South Africa world dip
Has anyone seen a game were south Africa thrives
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
NFL Pick 'Em: Week 7
Inside the updated totals after Week 6 will be posted...as soo asn I add them (or someone who already has it added up wants to post if, if they're faster.)

As we strive towards the half-way point of the season, and my Niners are 5-1 and on a bye this week, I'll be flipping all around the league...so--who'll win? PICK 'EM!
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HalberMensch (1783 D)
28 Oct 11 UTC
World Map Bug? RIS > Mary Byrd Land offered without
Dear technicians,

we might have found a small bug in world map implementation to be checked:
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hellalt (113 D)
25 Oct 11 UTC
FB
I decided to make a fb profile (after years of pressure).
I consider myself bonded to you and some of you I consider internet friends.
So if you want, send me an add request along with your username here so that I know who is who.
my profile is here http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003086930968
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Scmoo472 (1933 D)
22 Oct 11 UTC
For a win as Austria
gameID=70551
It takes new players, a pretty big shot of luck, a touch of skill, and a PPSC match, and 2 players who give up, and 1 player who quit before it started..

Did I mention I suck as Austria??
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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
19 Oct 11 UTC
Could somebody please explain why FTL neutrinos imply time travel?
I'm just watching "Faster than the Speed of Light" on the BBC with Prof Marcus du Sautoy and they said this (and break cause and effect), but they glossed over the how. I don't get it. How is FTL travel going to break cause and effect let alone time travel?
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
15 Oct 11 UTC
New World Game
Calling all players for a new world game: gameID=70096
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Geofram (130 D(B))
10 Oct 11 UTC
This Map Needs More People
As always, here are the guidelines:
In the name section, put your full WedDip name.
In the message section, put the name of the closest City, State.
In the URL section, put the full link of your webDip profile.
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Geofram (130 D(B))
21 Sep 11 UTC
The Donation Invitation
The gunboat tournament is wrapping up and I've learned a lot.
I want to do a new tournament and this is going to be it.
Preliminary details:
(all is open to discussion)
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Putin33 (111 D)
27 Oct 11 UTC
LOL AGW denier study confirms AGW, will deniers apologize?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-gore/koch-brother-funded-study_b_1032439.html?


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Jacob (2711 D)
25 Oct 11 UTC
On the Proper Usage of Fleets
A question came up in another thread about how fleets should best be deployed. Should they always stay in the ocean? Are they useful in coastal territories? How many fleets should one have? Etc.. Share your thoughts within.
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Nell (100 D)
26 Oct 11 UTC
sitter needed
I'll be off the grid Friday - Tuesday, can anyone help me out? I'm in two games, both as Turkey. I'm not stomping in either of them but I still have a role to play in the game arc.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=69323
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=69867
Thanks!
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
26 Oct 11 UTC
So now that the colonel is dead
Let's all rejoice in how NATO layed the foundations for another islamist country. Or not?
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
25 Oct 11 UTC
American War of Independence: A Patriotic Myth?
See below:
Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
25 Oct 11 UTC
The following appeared today on the BBC website:

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Myth: The American colonists had nothing to lose but their chains

The American War of Independence began as nothing of the sort.

It was essentially an argument between loyalist and radical British subjects over trade and taxes, only gradually acquiring the rhetoric of civil rights and liberties. Even today that argument is mired in chauvinism.

London protested that a derisory £1,400-a-year in revenue was being gathered from the 13 colonies to pay for having been rescued by Britain from French autocracy in the Seven Years War.

To call this rescue "absolute despotism", as the Americans did, was absurd. The protested Stamp Acts were imposed throughout the empire, as were other trade restrictions, while the colonists enjoyed their own assemblies and were for the most part autonomous.

As a colony with self-governing rights, America was far better treated than Ireland.
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What do my US-based counterparts make of this? Has the BBC successfully debunked a major plank of your national mythology, or is the above analysis flawed?
Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
25 Oct 11 UTC
For reference the link is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15428024

The item was written by the historian Simon Jenkins.
stratagos (3269 D(S))
25 Oct 11 UTC
The BBC is substantially correct. The vast majority of the colonists were neutral, and were less than thrilled to be witnessing what was in effect a civil war between the loyalists and the patriots.

Of course, let's not pretend that people on all sides use emotive language when trying to demonize their opponents. Shall I provide some examples from the Napoleonic Wars? The UK wasn't exactly a victim during the wars of the First Coalition, were they?
Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
25 Oct 11 UTC
Oh, I'm not here to fly the flag for the UK, don't worry. I was just interested in how my American chums would react to this one.
I'll post a long winded response when I get off of work, in short, this is hardly revolutionary, nor is it comprehensive. There was much more about American grievances than war taxes, and there was much more about the Seven Years war colonists found objectionable, and finally there were several other causes to the war as well.
stratagos (3269 D(S))
25 Oct 11 UTC
Well, I'm probably not representative - I have a BA in History, so my view may be a more... nuanced one than someone who had little interest in the subject.

Having said that, I knew enough to discount the simplistic explainations I got in elementary school before I graduated high school. It's hardly a *secret* that the Revolution was a bit more complex than it is usually presented....
Zarathustra (3672 D)
25 Oct 11 UTC
Huh? I thought we fought the Revolutionary War to free the slaves and stop communism!?

As has been stated, the article is correct, if a bit ignorant of nuance. The colonies had an array of different reasons for getting into it. However, it is pretty hard to inspire people to the point of rebellion from a pretty cozy life with arguments like, "Trade relations with our mother country are mostly good, but could probably be a little bit better for us if we ignored the other benefits we receive!" and "We only have a large degree of autonomy! We want more!"
semck83 (229 D(B))
25 Oct 11 UTC
I would agree that the actual taxes (etc.) in question were not too extreme, at least until the intolerable acts. But I think the colonists were pretty worked up about the principle of being taxed without the prior forms being recognized. A lot of it was based on respect for the idea that if you allow a government to vastly overstep authority (or violate its structure) for a moderate impingement, there will be nothing left to stop it if it wants to do something truly outrageous.
Onar (131 D)
25 Oct 11 UTC
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't one of the major concerns a lack of representation in parliament?
Putin33 (111 D)
25 Oct 11 UTC
Thanks for posting this Jamie. Yes there is a lot of mythology about the 'tyranny' of British rule, which is complete rubbish. There was no tyranny at all (Britain was most liberal government in the world), but people grow up believing the British were doing everything from seizing colonial lands to repressing their religious liberties and other nonsense. They ignore the fact that a large number of people remained loyal, and these loyalists were terrorized and ultimately expelled.

One of the main grievances of the colonists was the Quebec Act, which gave religious liberty to Catholics and curbed westward expansion. So in essence, the colonists were fighting for expansionism and to prevent increased Catholic influence in their largely Protestant country.

The colonists had no problem with taxation without representation, and consented to a wide variety of external taxes and duties that the British implemented (not to mention criminal and other laws). They agreed with the principle of 'virtual representation', since their own governments were such that only a select group of property owners could vote, not all voters agreed, and yet everybody had to submit to the laws. The right to 'reject' taxation necessarily implied that the Crown had no right to govern at all, since why wouldn't the logic of taxation be applied to other laws?

The colonists wanted English rights without being subject to English laws. They thought by virtue of emigration, that they could enjoy the privileges of both being in England and being a colonist. The colonists voluntarily left a country where they had little in property but perhaps a vote in the parliament, for a place where they had lots of property but little vote. Since their ancestors were subjects to English law, so were the colonists. The fact that they emigrated means that they thought the prospects of prosperity in the new country outweighed whatever privileges they might maintain by remaining in England.
I had a long thing written but then my laptop went off. so ill keep it short. The revolution was not about British tyranny it was about the subservient position of the colonies in the empire. It wasn't about taxes themselves, it was the fact that those taxes went to support british officials in the colonies when Americans felt that the colonies should be administered by the colonists (not necessarily ruled by the colonists). In short they felt they wern't be treated as British subjects, and it wasn't until very late in the game that independence was advocated. Also as been stated above there were many different acts that the colonists saw as provocations.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
27 Oct 11 UTC
Yeah I'm pretty sure we gave old King George multiple opportunities to back off of his bullshit before we rebelled. Most "revolutionaries" only wanted fair treatment while remaining under British rule. It's only when they felt they weren't going to get it that the revolution began.

Also, this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50_iRIcxsz0
Putin33 (111 D)
27 Oct 11 UTC
The fact that colonists sent an Olive branch petition to George demonstrates that their complaint wasn't with him to begin with, it was with parliament's right to rule. The rebellion was against democracy. George refused because letters were intercepted which documented that despite the so-called peace offensive, war preparations were well underway.
General Cool (178 D)
27 Oct 11 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZfRaWAtBVg

I think this song sums it up quite nicely. (not really, but it's really cool)
The colonists didn't blame the King until extremely late in the game (until after a year at war and very soon before the declaration) The Americans saw themselves as British subjects, they blamed corrupt ministers (they were extreme conspiracy theorists) and parliament. I haven't heard that letters were intercepted but Americans certainly thought so.
aplogies misread the part about the letters intercepted.

And the colonists didn't have a problem with parliaments right to rule per se, Colonists originally took their grievances to parliament in the form of Franklin. Their major issue was the perception increasingly direct control of parliament over the colonies and the related perception of Britain itself (which was seen as the worlds bastion of liberty) sinking into tyranny.


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