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It's time for the younger players on diplomacy to have their own tournament! Great place to play with Diplomacy players your own age. No offense to the older members of course! If enough people post with intrest I'll set up a tournament.
Error triggered: Division by zero. This was probably caused by a software bug. The details of this error have been successfully logged and will be attended to by a developer. Got this when I tried to go from page 6 to page 7 of the open games.
I'm sending this from a school computer in the lab. Just wanted to apologize to everyone for the crapload of games I CDed out of. I'm not going to be able to pick those up for some time because my laptop is f-f-f-f-fucked and I can't get down here consistently enough to play a good game.
So, there has recently been some confusion/criticism about how mods handle cases. Without talking about any specific cases, I'd like to review how we handle different cases and the reasons for it. Hopefully, this can turn into a productive discussion, since this site is community-driven.
Why the hell can't people press the ready button in gunboat games?????
its not like they are waiting for an answer to a message or anything its ridiculous. If they want to wait because they cant play in the next phase or something, then they shouldn't have agreed to play in the game in the first place with that phase length
If you are incapable of knowing you exist you're not conscious, in my opinion.
I am coming to the conclusion though that this is something that cannot be further discussed without introducing some more scientific evidence which either A) doesn't exist B) I am much too unmotivated and busy to go find.
So I declare this debate a success lol thank you guys for chiming it was interesting.
At least you admit you nor I can determine if an animal know's it exists for certain. Hopefully you realize we must error on the side of caution and assume all animals which display certain attributes (call it anthromorphism if you like) like a full range of emotive responses (not just reproduce the species, hunt for food, and fight or flight survival) may well be in the self-aware category. Lack of communicative ability via language does not mean lack of awareness.
""Only humans can act morally or immorally as that is a construct of society."
Exactly. Human and other conscious animals that is. Hint hint."
Sorry to chime back in, but morality =/= consciousness. You are stating a flase equivalency here. Morality isn't required for conciousness.. Look at Jeffrey Dahlmer. No, all that is required is self-awareness and many animlas have it. Again, I dare say most mammalian and even most reptilian, amphibian, and avian life do. The only real way we have to divide self-aware/sentianet/conscious from non aware life is through perceived emotion and individual response.
If a lone animal does nothing but search for it's next meal or mate and only shows emotion in the form of fight or flight, then it is less likely self-aware (like most sharks). Or if it is of a hive/school mentality and has no individual identity or personality (like most schooling fish and most insects) then it is also likely not self-aware. But even that is an uncertainty. It's fiction, but the aliens in Ender's Game were presented as self-aware with a collective mind. similarly the Borg in Trek. It is possible that there is a colony/collective awareness that makes the group as a whole become a sentient life form even if the individuals aren't. That would make destroying a wasp nest with fire a cruel act.
"Yes there is, you save their lives, and you die, or you save your life, and they die."
This is why analogies are so obnoxious, because you can an invent an absurd analogy that has no relation to real life and give it all these properties that are convenient for your argument.
There is no intrinsic conflict because the fire was not caused by the fact that you yourself are alive. The fire was caused by something else, so it's very possible that the fire could be prevented and everyone lives. It might even be possible, in fact probable that a person rushing into a burning building 100 times without dying would also manage to save himself.
In the other example however there *is* an intrinsic conflict because the very fact that the person is living at all results in the death of microorganisms. It cannot be avoided. A world cannot be constructed in which there is coexistence.Basically you're saying I have to argue species suicide for human beings otherwise my worldview is not consistent, so it's either species suicide or dogs are automatons with no feelings. I reject that false and absurd dichotomy.
And yes I know you're going to keep repeating the point about the fact that you need to philosophize about life in order to really exist, else you're nothing more alive than an airplane that is programmed to beep on contact. The comparison is again silly because airplanes are not organic, they're not alive. They are programmed to respond in certain ways, they're not actually feeling anything because they're not alive. Furthermore airplanes do not act to do whatever it can to avoid pain, unlike animals. To animals the feeling is so unpleasant that they have fear and avoid the cause of pain. Planes can only do what is commanded of them and or what they're programmed to do. That might even involve heading straight into what caused them "pain".
"You seem to be saying that animals can be forgiven for just following their instincts - crocs eat animals, so, there you go."
I doubt very much that getting killed by a crocodile is a very painful process, since their jaws are so strong and they cannot chew. Crocodiles cannot be "designed" in such a way that they aren't carnivorous and don't have powerful jaws. They are what they are. They have the "right" to survive. Humans have nothing to do with it. Crocodiles exist to keep ecosystems in balance. Animals do not act out of balance with their environment, humans do.
"But we humans have been hunters for a very long time, and have also been molding and exploiting our environment for a very long time too, also in an attempt to survive."
What % of humans are hunters today, as in they hunt to live not for sport? Very few. Only the most primitive societies. We have conquered our environment to such a degree that hunting is absolutely unnecessary. We have developed to such an extent that we now know how to feed ourselves in such a way that avoids unnecessary suffering. Our teeth reflect the fact that we no longer need to rely on consumption of meat to live.
Need is defined in a straight forward way. What is imperative for survival. Crocodiles are carnivores, they cannot exist without eating meat. They cannot go to the supermarket to get their daily nutritional intake. They are subject to what is in their immediate environment. They have not conquered the environment. We have. Since we've conquered it, in order maintain balance with it we have to stop using the excuses of "instincts" (which are irrelevant for humans anyway) and be more deliberate about how we interact with it. Use those big brains you keep touting as the reason why we're of "superior intrinsic value" to all other (automaton) lifeforms.
Local idiots are slaughtering shooting to kill 48 escaped exotic animals because they happened to escape a local exotic animal farm (in Ohio). This includes tigers, apes, and lions. Seriously, killing tigers should be a capital offense.
I guess I successfully predicted the future in the October ghost ratings topic
As of Friday, I was in four games. In the last 24 hours (well, 30 technically, but it's close) I received the following message three times: "You were defeated, and lost your bet; better luck next time!" Bye bye, highest GR spot for me to date. I've never been so soundly defeated so often in so short a time.
The United States intervention in World War Two cost 418,000 American lives. And, really, what did the United States gain from it? Hitler was gone and Nazi Germany was destroyed, but much of Eastern Europe running from East Germany to Russia was under the (de jure or de facto) rule of Stalin and the Soviet Union. U.S. intervention fostered the spread of communism by destroying its primary opponent, fascism, thus setting up the Cold War for the next fifty years.