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King Atom (84 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
Almost Gone
In fact, this is my very last game...hopefully you all can spare 50 D
gameID=69666
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Frank (114 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
Open Season on my Heart
gameID=67806
EOGs and rematch
Frank (114 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
EOG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjmUrwaEhUQ
stratagos (3269 D (S))
08 Oct 11 UTC
I think I did a damn good job of holding England back until 1911, when it was obvious Turkey wasn't going to vote draw unless he had no choice, and cranked out a fleet build, which would have let him screw me while my forces were committed in the Atlantic

Rather than just let him solo while I sat there like a chump holding England back, I withdrew to force him to work as part of a team - but he chose to finish Austria off before voting draw in early 1915 - which was too little, too late.

So, it's all on you Turkey. You got greedy; we all paid for it
Frank (114 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
I don't think Turkey ever had a chance to solo, he had no path to 18. St Pete's isn't holdable from the south and he never had a chance at Munich or Marseilles or anything like that. I think if Italy hadn't pulled backed his units in Fall 1911, it would've ended in a three (or four) way draw.

Either way, who's up for another similar game?
rokakoma (18688 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
I was Turkey!

At first, yes, I had zero choice going for solo, especially since STP was england's, which cen be held forever.

On the other hand,
a) I have never made a single attack against italy, NULL, NONE, ZERO
b) I haven't taken Trieste until italy didn't go back to venice, so austria cannot retreat there and force italy to debuild something.

All my slow motion movement were in order not to harm italy at all, so he can keep out england.

I just wanted to eliminate austria, and france, so we can have a 3 way draw.

Anyone who has about a positive IQ knows, the moment italy loses a single SC and has to debuild something we both lose. The only one who didn't know this, was italy himself.
rokakoma (18688 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
And Frank has the point, I wouldn't be able to get marseill, or munich at any chance, and without those it's impossible to win, since I would never be able to get my ships out from the mediterranean.

Sorry Italy, but if you were thinking a bit rational, or even more, if you were thinking at all, you would have known that.
Frank (114 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
I agree with everything you said, Rokakoma, except that maybe you shouldve voted draw earlier to signal your alliance with Italy. You saw that he was doing the wrong thing (giving up Spain, Marseilles, Tunis and Portugal without a fight) so voting draw could've convinced him to turn around and build a stalemate line. Its not like I would've voted to end the game anyway.
rokakoma (18688 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
I was afraid, maybe you would vote a draw earlier, and i wanted to wait, until there are only 3 of us.

Anyway, you might be right on that, but i had so many opportunities to attack italy, and I didn't use any of them, Still, he thought I'm against him. I really do not know how could someone possibly think giving you 3 SCs in 1 round, and debuilding 3 units after can actually help him.
Dan-i-Am 88 (438 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
gg guys. . . I tried goin aggressive early taking Bulgaria and Rumania, although in the end that didn't really work out for me as that was about as far as I got. Italy taking Trieste in 08 or 09 whichever it was really set me back a bit, I had to fight a two front war and couldn't work on either getting another fleet to send southeast or working around the Black Sea.

Turkey, well played, sorry to see you not get a piece of the prize after that fight but that's diplomacy lol.

I'd be game for a rematch
Lando Calrissian (0 D (S))
08 Oct 11 UTC
Very strange behaviour from Italy, agreed. For my part this game did not go so well. I made a misorder and Germany didn't care about my signals for alliance. Congrats Frank.

Yes, next game please?
rokakoma (18688 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
thx Dan-I-am, it was fun fighting with you, and trying not to overtake you too fast, so I can slow down england. That helped a lot, for example when you helped me into moscow by attacking livonia. So I had to take care of you to be able to help me.

Unluckily italy wasn't realizing i'm taking care of him too, to be able to fight with england.

Anyway, was a good game, I'm just really disappointed ;(
stratagos (3269 D (S))
08 Oct 11 UTC
@Frank - Turkey had an easy path to 17 or 18 had I not pulled back and he been inclined that way.

@roka - As I've already stated in PM, your choice to do a fleet build in 1911 was not an indication that you were going to play nice - far from it. There was nowhere for that fleet to go but through me.

Had you been interested in a draw, you should have voted for it prior to finalizing that build. You decided that you didn't want to risk a four way, and instead you got a loss. Perhaps you didn't expect me to pull back, but you had also alternately support-held and attacked Austria, so I had no real trust invested in you.

Ultimately I was playing a losing hand when I committed to hold England back from the solo in 1907 and everyone else didn't get on board. The best I could hope for was a draw, and I saw no indication that the two biggest players were interested - so the best I could do was to force a situation where Turkey *had* to support a draw. I did so, but he decided it was a higher priority to finish Austria.

Did my moves ensure England won the game? Quite possibly - but there were simple moves Turkey could have made to make me rethink my actions, and he did not make them.

Fear caused my errors, greed caused his
rokakoma (18688 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
the word greed is your fixation, despite I had no intention to win this alone whatever you think. It was impossible for me to take 18 SCs before england eats you up far more earlier, and wins.

you have chosen the 100% loss instead of the 50% loss.
by trusting me would have given you some chance, giving the SCs to england gave you zero chance.

It's just the matter of your decision, and you have chosen sure death from fear! Nice ...
stratagos (3269 D (S))
08 Oct 11 UTC
I accept my portion of the blame. You do not. That's the critical difference
jmeyersd (4230 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
I hate gunboat Russia. 'Nuf said.
Sargmacher (0 D X)
08 Oct 11 UTC
Gunboat Russia is always a tough draw and more than most can be highly dependent on the whims of your neighbours.
But rokakoma *didn't* have a part in the blame, stratagos. He never attacked you; you had no reason to assume he would in an expert game, let alone pull everything back AND disband and give up Tunisia (which effectively surrendered the game).
stratagos (3269 D (S))
08 Oct 11 UTC
You are assuming I can read minds in a gunboat, Eden? I could think of no rational reason for him to build a fleet prior to me pulling back, and he refused to vote draw until the very last year.

Again, I accept there may have been other choices available to me, but - IMO - I had no reason to trust him.

Its not my job as a player to believe that everyone has my best interest in mind, its theirs to convince me that working with them is in my interest.

And given the same situation, I would likely *react the same way*

So I would say the lesson here is that if you expect people to believe you're working towards a draw, it would be wise to vote for it. Because if you don't, I may be in the game with you, and you'll end up screwed.

Call me whatever names you want, but if you want a game with no randomness, play chess. If you can't deal with people who don't act like you want them to act, get another hobby.

Granted, Turkey did not act like I wanted him to act, and I took steps to try to change that. It didn't work out, but I accepted that when I started the moves.
stratagos (3269 D (S))
08 Oct 11 UTC
In summary, if you don't like that I act in what I believe to be my best interest, even if you disagree that it *is* in my best interest, tough shit. Password your games, and don't invite me
Sargmacher (0 D X)
08 Oct 11 UTC
"if you don't like that I act in what I believe to be my best interest, even if you disagree that it *is* in my best interest, tough shit. Password your games, and don't invite me"

Wow. Touchy.
stratagos (3269 D (S))
08 Oct 11 UTC
I just had a three year old have a half hour temper tantrum because he's not allowed to watch Batman. Petulant whining is unlikely to move me today ;)
Sargmacher (0 D X)
08 Oct 11 UTC
Odd, I didn't think anyone was doing that in this thread - apart from you in your last message :)
Sargmacher (0 D X)
08 Oct 11 UTC
Three year old temper tantrums don't sound fun at all though - I sympathise.
stratagos (3269 D (S))
08 Oct 11 UTC
I freely admit I have not been having the best day. If I have seemed harsher than necessary in my posts, I duly apologize. roka's first PM to me came at an inopportune time, and it kinda went downhill from there.

I stand by my decision making process, as flawed as it might have been. I understand that people may not agree with it. I would reiterate that in any Diplo game, especially a gunboat, expecting people to do things a certain way is a great way to get heartburn ;)
Sargmacher (0 D X)
08 Oct 11 UTC
Oh definitely - the unpredictable nature of gunboats.


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Timz (100 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
Confusion on move order and resolution
Hello all. I entered my orders and to my suprise, they didnt happen! I had my fleet norway move to st. petersburg with support from moscow,
and England had his army st. petersburg move to Norway with support from Barents Sea fleet.
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Lando Calrissian (0 D (S))
03 Oct 11 UTC
Tripper/Big Dipper
Just ended.... gameID=66941
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gman314 (100 D)
06 Oct 11 UTC
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Tettleton's Chow
I just muted him. I feel as if the world is a much nicer place and all of a sudden the forum seems much emptier, less right-wing, and less insulting.
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jmo1121109 (2431 D Mod)
02 Oct 11 UTC
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October Ghostratings...
I'll be the impatient person to ask this month, haha.
40 replies
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The Mahatma (1195 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
6-handed game
Hi,
Me and 5 others wanted to have a game but it was automatically cancelled due to not having 7 players. How do I start a 6-handed game?
Thanks
14 replies
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Tolstoy (1977 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
Are Democrats and Progressives Really Anti-War, or just Anti-Republican?
Please read and comment
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dD_ShockTrooper (1100 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
Whatever happened to those days...
Where people would be entertained by a 9-year old multi-accounter who gives himself away by using suspiciously similar spelling mistakes on both his accounts, or uses the same crappy translator to let people know that it is time to "ENJOY TO LIVE GAME!!!"...
2 replies
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Ienpw_III (460 D)
13 Sep 11 UTC
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Word Association Thread
Our old one died a few months ago.

I'l start with "elephant".
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Marti the Bruce (209 D)
08 Oct 11 UTC
All In #69596
Why did i not withdraw my vote for a draw?!?!
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kokodarick (319 D (B))
08 Oct 11 UTC
Good Quick game
starts in 10 min
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nudge (284 D)
07 Oct 11 UTC
Fools Rush In: Game 67704
Is this the highest stakes game played? Pot of 7000 D. I notice three players have voted to draw already, how disappointing. This is one game I would like to see played to the death.

Who is your money on?
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Wusti (731 D)
07 Oct 11 UTC
Cheating in WebDiplomacy
I have sent a message to the game mods about a no ingame messaging World XI game Im in days ago without reply - and I think its a clear case of either A) metagaming or B) Multi-account because the level of co-op without any supposed comms is unbelievable.

So far nothing at all from the mods - not even an acknowledgement of the mail - what should I do?
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Draugnar (25 D X)
06 Oct 11 UTC
For a little comparative fun, post your mute list here...
I'll start in the first reply.
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Jamiet99uk (84 D (B))
07 Oct 11 UTC
Muting
Is there any way of knowing if another player has you muted?
4 replies
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Tettleton's Chew (0 D X)
30 Sep 11 UTC
Lunatic Marxists
Supporters of Castro's disastrous regime in Cuba love to blame the United States for Havana's problems, but this article shows everything wrong in Cuba has one cause, Marxism.
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Diplomat33 (232 D (B))
05 Oct 11 UTC
I lost the game!
And so did all of you. Post your reactions here.
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hellalt (76 D)
06 Oct 11 UTC
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Thinking of leaving the site
Indeed. Too many stupid players here and too many stupid people in general. I guess that's because most of you are American.
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Kind.of.slow (746 D)
05 Oct 11 UTC
Steve Jobs has passed away
So many things will not be the same now...
24 replies
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jmo1121109 (2431 D Mod)
07 Oct 11 UTC
Detroit Tigers
Hells Yes!
12 replies
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King Atom (84 D)
27 Sep 11 UTC
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Two Things...
1. This is my last thread.
2. I'll be starting up a WTA Live game next Saturday as my final game. I would love to be able to do the World Map.
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SantaClausowitz (348 D)
28 Sep 11 UTC
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Bullying
While there is no doubt bullying is a major problem, and the suicides caused by it are tragedies, does making the kids who commit suicides tragic heroes encouraging more kidstake that route?
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obiwanobiwan (247 D)
06 Oct 11 UTC
The International TV Exchange Program
Suggest 1 TV show you think absolutely MUST be seen by others--and espeically those who are maybe in another country and not familiar with the show. The NEXT person who comes along must watch an episode of said show, and suggest one for the next person...and so on and so forth, until all shows ever to air on the Tube are watched by the WebDip community. :)
14 replies
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stratagos (3269 D (S))
03 Oct 11 UTC
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Stratagos Challenge: Beat on the rusty old doof
Some of you wanted to beat on me. I think I can kick a single game shortly. Who is in, and what settings are preferred?

I'm going to request 36 hour phases, simply because I expect I'm going to *need* them when I start my new job next week...
62 replies
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DXA (152 D)
06 Oct 11 UTC
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Ancient Med Stalemate Lines
I don't know if anyone is interested in studying or analyzing things like that, but I am. When I was first starting to play diplomacy (back in, oh, February?), I immersed myself in reading all about the strategies and theories that people had written articles on. Since discovering this site (back in, oh, last week?) I've really come to enjoy the Ancient Med variant.
12 replies
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Putin33 (136 D)
06 Oct 11 UTC
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Why Brett Favre is awful
By popular demand.
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goldfinger0303 (657 D)
04 Jul 11 UTC
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SoW Summer 2011 Game 1
gameID=62777

Please follow the thread rules below
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goldfinger0303 (657 D)
05 Oct 11 UTC
What are your thoughts on the Occupy Wall Street movement?
Also, I wonder what you all think of this
http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/
that the NYC general assembly passed
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Agent K (100 D X)
05 Oct 11 UTC
Face to Face
So, i was perusing the ghost ranking site and stumbled upon the Boston face to face tourney this past summer.
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