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EOG Gunboat Means Never Having to Say You're Sorry-12
Game Link: gameID=68341 Hey guys, thought I'd create a thread for anyone to offer their thoughts. For my part, I think my play as France highlights the importance of sticking with a game even if things look really tough - I was fighting off 3 countries for the first half of the game but still came out on top. To get such a stiff competition situation was great fun! Thanks for the interesting game all and I look forward to no. 13.
I think I did a damn good job of holding England back until 1911, when it was obvious Turkey wasn't going to vote draw unless he had no choice, and cranked out a fleet build, which would have let him screw me while my forces were committed in the Atlantic
Rather than just let him solo while I sat there like a chump holding England back, I withdrew to force him to work as part of a team - but he chose to finish Austria off before voting draw in early 1915 - which was too little, too late.
So, it's all on you Turkey. You got greedy; we all paid for it
I don't think Turkey ever had a chance to solo, he had no path to 18. St Pete's isn't holdable from the south and he never had a chance at Munich or Marseilles or anything like that. I think if Italy hadn't pulled backed his units in Fall 1911, it would've ended in a three (or four) way draw.
At first, yes, I had zero choice going for solo, especially since STP was england's, which cen be held forever.
On the other hand, a) I have never made a single attack against italy, NULL, NONE, ZERO b) I haven't taken Trieste until italy didn't go back to venice, so austria cannot retreat there and force italy to debuild something.
All my slow motion movement were in order not to harm italy at all, so he can keep out england.
I just wanted to eliminate austria, and france, so we can have a 3 way draw.
Anyone who has about a positive IQ knows, the moment italy loses a single SC and has to debuild something we both lose. The only one who didn't know this, was italy himself.
I agree with everything you said, Rokakoma, except that maybe you shouldve voted draw earlier to signal your alliance with Italy. You saw that he was doing the wrong thing (giving up Spain, Marseilles, Tunis and Portugal without a fight) so voting draw could've convinced him to turn around and build a stalemate line. Its not like I would've voted to end the game anyway.
I was afraid, maybe you would vote a draw earlier, and i wanted to wait, until there are only 3 of us.
Anyway, you might be right on that, but i had so many opportunities to attack italy, and I didn't use any of them, Still, he thought I'm against him. I really do not know how could someone possibly think giving you 3 SCs in 1 round, and debuilding 3 units after can actually help him.
gg guys. . . I tried goin aggressive early taking Bulgaria and Rumania, although in the end that didn't really work out for me as that was about as far as I got. Italy taking Trieste in 08 or 09 whichever it was really set me back a bit, I had to fight a two front war and couldn't work on either getting another fleet to send southeast or working around the Black Sea.
Turkey, well played, sorry to see you not get a piece of the prize after that fight but that's diplomacy lol.
thx Dan-I-am, it was fun fighting with you, and trying not to overtake you too fast, so I can slow down england. That helped a lot, for example when you helped me into moscow by attacking livonia. So I had to take care of you to be able to help me.
Unluckily italy wasn't realizing i'm taking care of him too, to be able to fight with england.
Anyway, was a good game, I'm just really disappointed ;(
@Frank - Turkey had an easy path to 17 or 18 had I not pulled back and he been inclined that way.
@roka - As I've already stated in PM, your choice to do a fleet build in 1911 was not an indication that you were going to play nice - far from it. There was nowhere for that fleet to go but through me.
Had you been interested in a draw, you should have voted for it prior to finalizing that build. You decided that you didn't want to risk a four way, and instead you got a loss. Perhaps you didn't expect me to pull back, but you had also alternately support-held and attacked Austria, so I had no real trust invested in you.
Ultimately I was playing a losing hand when I committed to hold England back from the solo in 1907 and everyone else didn't get on board. The best I could hope for was a draw, and I saw no indication that the two biggest players were interested - so the best I could do was to force a situation where Turkey *had* to support a draw. I did so, but he decided it was a higher priority to finish Austria.
Did my moves ensure England won the game? Quite possibly - but there were simple moves Turkey could have made to make me rethink my actions, and he did not make them.
But rokakoma *didn't* have a part in the blame, stratagos. He never attacked you; you had no reason to assume he would in an expert game, let alone pull everything back AND disband and give up Tunisia (which effectively surrendered the game).
You are assuming I can read minds in a gunboat, Eden? I could think of no rational reason for him to build a fleet prior to me pulling back, and he refused to vote draw until the very last year.
Again, I accept there may have been other choices available to me, but - IMO - I had no reason to trust him.
Its not my job as a player to believe that everyone has my best interest in mind, its theirs to convince me that working with them is in my interest.
And given the same situation, I would likely *react the same way*
So I would say the lesson here is that if you expect people to believe you're working towards a draw, it would be wise to vote for it. Because if you don't, I may be in the game with you, and you'll end up screwed.
Call me whatever names you want, but if you want a game with no randomness, play chess. If you can't deal with people who don't act like you want them to act, get another hobby.
Granted, Turkey did not act like I wanted him to act, and I took steps to try to change that. It didn't work out, but I accepted that when I started the moves.
I freely admit I have not been having the best day. If I have seemed harsher than necessary in my posts, I duly apologize. roka's first PM to me came at an inopportune time, and it kinda went downhill from there.
I stand by my decision making process, as flawed as it might have been. I understand that people may not agree with it. I would reiterate that in any Diplo game, especially a gunboat, expecting people to do things a certain way is a great way to get heartburn ;)
Hello all. I entered my orders and to my suprise, they didnt happen! I had my fleet norway move to st. petersburg with support from moscow, and England had his army st. petersburg move to Norway with support from Barents Sea fleet.
Where people would be entertained by a 9-year old multi-accounter who gives himself away by using suspiciously similar spelling mistakes on both his accounts, or uses the same crappy translator to let people know that it is time to "ENJOY TO LIVE GAME!!!"...
I have sent a message to the game mods about a no ingame messaging World XI game Im in days ago without reply - and I think its a clear case of either A) metagaming or B) Multi-account because the level of co-op without any supposed comms is unbelievable.
So far nothing at all from the mods - not even an acknowledgement of the mail - what should I do?