This forum is controlled by radical conservatives you fucking retard. capitalism is the worst system you can have!!!

Well, now that we know the 2004 US election was likely rigged, I'm all for supporting a liberal point of view.

"conservative ideas will be deleted"

LOL

President Eden + 1

Well I think there's a silent majority on this site that is liberal. A majority of the Internet community and younger generation is liberal. I don't know if that applies here since there's a lot of people older than 35 on the site.

I'm over 35, I believe in social & economic justice, grassroots local democracy, non-violence and ecological wisdom. I am a Green. But I am here to play Diplomacy.

Well so far it's 4 liberals on this thread

Everyone likes to feel victimised.

I like to feel myself. :P

The way I see it, the forum is extremely left-wing. It's just that the right-wingers are very loud and annoying.

Yeah, this is definitely a left-wing forum. In fact, the right-wing posters only very recently showed up in any force whatsoever...

I think that by being sort of centrist left, I'm actually right-wing by the board's definition.

Sometimes I am just simple, but don't you need two wings to fly?
Total emphasis on any one wing is bound to fail.

I'm conservative when it comes to economic matters, but I'm extremely liberal socially. Also a pragmatist when it comes to environmental matters and feel that carbon taxation and government subsidized "green energy" do nothing to impact the consequences of climate change, anthropogenic or not. I also support GM crops and cloned meat, which I feel all liberals should especially given hunger problems and the high environmental toll "normal" crops and farms have.

Well... I don't fly. No wings.

thelevite: By and large that sounds fairly libertarian.

Cloned meat isn't a liberal cause?

I am very much liberally oriented except on Mondays, on Mondays I a fascist ;)

thelevite: so what do you think can mitigate climate change? Geoengineering? In my opinion, it's too expensive and risky for governments or the private sector to even think about using. Or do you think there's no way to stop 2 to 3 degrees of warming? I agree about the GM food though. It's definitely the best way to increase crop yields, and crop breeders have been doing something similar for thousands of years. There is no reason to be scared of them.

So are we ready for a new party, with a platform of stricter rules about conflicts of interest, the revolving door between government and industry, coherent fiscal and spending policies, yet one that fully supports infrastructure, medicare, social security, college funding?

Genetically modified crops / seeds = high potential for ecological apocalypse. The seed corps are designing their seeds to grow plants that can NOT produce fertile seed. Why? Because they want the farmers to have to continue to buy the genetically modified seeds instead of setting aside a portion of their crop for seed. Why is this a potential ecological apocalypse? When all crops grown are incapable of natural reproduction... think about it.

As for world hunger, there is plenty of food production, the problem is distribution and the desire for someone to make a buck on it. "For-profit Charity" will not feed the world.

"Genetically modified crops / seeds = high potential for ecological apocalypse. The seed corps are designing their seeds to grow plants that can NOT produce fertile seed. Why? Because they want the farmers to have to continue to buy the genetically modified seeds instead of setting aside a portion of their crop for seed. Why is this a potential ecological apocalypse? When all crops grown are incapable of natural reproduction... think about it."

I LOLed. Good one. I laughed almost as much as I did when I read "conservative ideas will be deleted".

Glad you enjoyed the joke, funny symbol person. A question - if all humans were incapable of reproduction, how long would it take before there were no more humans?

It depends on your definition of human, whether or not we develop medical nanotechnology that can defeat aging, whether or not we discover a way to download consciousness, oh an *whether or not there were other people intentionally breeding us*.

*and

Actually, speaking as a former farmer, I know that some seed companies sell seed that reproduces all too well. You buy a contract with them for x years, and in those x years, you have license to keep growing their corn. And they come and make sure you're plowing it over at the end, et cetera.

The hook comes in that corn seed travels by birds and by wind. So they then check out your neighbors and start hitting them with patent infringement suits.

I'm a left winger (though not necessarily a liberal) so I'll post an idea of mine here:
Mute Tettleton's Chew and krellin.

mafialligator that is the best idea ive heard today

@mafia - yes -- mute people that you don't agree with. Very open-minded of you. that way you can sit in a circle-jerk with all your intellectual clones and pretend to be smart, instead of actually exposing yourself to different ideas. Bravo.

Besides....uh....when were these forums NOT dominated by liberalism? Because **two** whole people have different ideas, you think you need to "take them back"? thank for the clear demonstration of just how afraid you are of different ideas.

Yo Mafia, I'm really happy for you and imma let you finish, but relativity was the best idea OF ALL TIME!

@krellin you conservative scum have no place to argue with us. You dont even think for yourselves! you simply repeat what the rich and powerful tell you too! you should start thinking and realise that all that money they have, should be rightfully yours!!! you work for it and they take it!!! they dont work any harder than you! yet you insist on helping them and screwing this country!!!

@1brucben -- thank you for once again demonstrating you narrow minded ignorance. I'm sure many dictators over the course of history would have loved to have had a good sheep like you in the flock. Keep NOT thinking for yourself. Keep your mind closed to other thoughts and philosophies. Bahhhhh!!!! Good sheep..... <pet, pet...>

And, we don't argue with you; we disprove you. That is why you fear us so much....might shatter your comfortable ignorance...

hipocrit you hardly think for you self. you obviously just listen to whoever bribes you. you are a fool and are wasting your time.

<sigh....> Bahhhhh.....Bahhhhhhh. What a good little sheep you are. You claim I listen to whoever bribes me....and you claim that YOUR DESIRE is to never be confronted with a contradictory thought that might challenge you.

If any of your liberal friends have *any* integrity....they will quietly correct you on just how foolish you sound. If you actually the courage of your intellectual convictions, you would *welcome* dissenting arguments, not fear them as you do.

i fear no arguement. you sir are hardly prooving yourself to not be some puppet of the rich!!!

Eat the Rich. See the movie. You won't regret it.

Eat the Rich. Listen to the song. You'll certainly regret it.

Eat the Rich. Throw up. You'll definitely regret it.

Eat the Rich. Get fat. You'll absolutely regret it.

Yes, Motorhead is on the sound track. Seriously, has anyone seen the movie or are you on crack? It's high-larious.

@1brucben: <sigh...> sad little sheep. Try this: SUPPORT your argument....just once. I claim you fear alternate points of view *specifically* because you want alternate viewpoints eliminated. I used the evidence of your own words against you. So...you want to make some shrill, asinine claim against me: SUPPORT IT with proof. Otherwise, you prove yourself to be just another shrill, leftist troglodyte... At least Putin and friends can support what they say. You? bahhhhh.....you just follow along and run away whenever your intellect is challenged.

I think of myself as center-right. I'm a pretty conservative guy, but like to back up my arguments. I just have to say though, that krellin sometimes makes logical arguments, Tettle almost never does, and 1brucben almost never does.

Now, 1brucben, can you post something that is level-headed and is not merely an emotional over-reactive response to some slight that you think someone made on your person? I would like to hear a logical argument (no caps please...very annoying) on why conservatism has taken over this forum while, as far as I've seen, we have one annoying person who even conservatives reject, and krellin