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I was out and about browsing through various Diplomacy pages and came across this site. Quite interesting how many from different ages and skill levels can indeed play here. As an advanced Diplomacy player myself long out of practice, I would like to challenge the best on this website. There is only one way to be the best, it's to play the best. So hello all again, but I challenge you advanced players to a game. Look forward to playing with you.
Hello, I just had the most fun gunboat game, gameID=60001. The adrenaline is still pumping. Would any of the player involved in the game like to comment or give suggestions? Outside observers are welcome as well.
Brought to you by the same fine state behind the "Don't Say Gay" Bill, here "the thrust of the proposed law would elevate creationist theories about human evolution to the same status accorded by most educators to Darwin's research." Good? Bad? Should Creationism/IT be taught?
@Draugnar, I hope you're right. I see some major battles ahead on this one. Textbooks that "teach the controversy" (in the vein of "Of Pandas and People") will no doubt be mandated under this law and what "objective" means will be debated... and all kinds of ugliness will ensue. Despite this, I am also hopeful for the long run...
"Oh, and the why is because teachers don't have peoples lives in their hands and the teachers in question here are primary and secondary through grade 8, so usually only have bachelors anyhow. It's not like a doctor who has gone through 4 years undergrad plus med school plus potentially more plus internship plus residency... Sorry, but equating a 5th grade teacher to a doctor is truly a bad comparison."
OK, fair enough. How about comparing them to engineers? Engineers get a stamp through a similar process that teachers get a credential. Four years of college, a few years of experience and a test or two. Engineers are not micromanaged by legislation like this - and yet they build bridges and buildings and cars and all kinds of things where people's lives (as well as financial investments) are in the balance. ...and I would debate the thought that teachers don't have people's lives in their hands... they certainly hold much of their futures in their hands.
I knew you were going to go there on the futures/lives thing. But I will point out that, regarding engineers, you answrered your own question. Engineers design things with life threatening potential if done wrong. To design a bridge or building, however, does require licensing and an acceptance of potential lawsuits if your design fails and injures or kills someone. Like doctors, engineers of bridges and damns and architects of buildings have a higher level of responsibility and inherent risk involved in their work. So they carry that micromanaging within themselves.
Additionally, the comparison to doctors or engineers isn't fair because you rtypical doctor or engineer is a private sector employee. The teachers here are public sector teachers. This law and most involving teachers beyond licensing doesn't involve private schools and their employees. So, yes, the government can, and does, micromanage their employees. Just as an engineering and design firm may, if they choose, micromanage their engineers and a hospital micromanges it's interns and residents.
Off topic comment but it this way of looking at things makes being a doctor seem like a Sisyphean task. Keep people alive as best you can. No matter how hard you try, and how good a doctor you are, all of your patients are going to die eventually.
"Engineers are not micromanaged by legislation like this - and yet they build bridges and buildings and cars and all kinds of things where people's lives (as well as financial investments) are in the balance"
WOAH WOAH HOLD ON
I challenge you to build a building with just a BS in Civil Engineering. It isn't going to happen. To build a building, you need the approval of a Professional Engineer who specializes in every part of the building (Electrical, Mechanical, Structural, HVAC, etc). Professional Engineers need about 4 years of working experience plus 2 extremely rigorous exams. And, if a PE fucks up, they are personally responsible; they'll lose their license and likely face charges.
Also, have you ever read building codes? I tried once. The Electrical building codes, for a commercial building, was about 10,000 pages. That's just electrical.
"Faith means not wanting to know what is true." "A man is accepted into a church by what he believes, but turned out for what he knows" "Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned."
A more false trio of statement I have never heard...
I'm training to be a teacher after being a professional geologist for 20 years (wherein I worked closely with many engineers) - I know both worlds. Getting in is darn near the same. I have taken 4 exams and an extra year and half of college and unpaid student teaching. I will work a minimum of 2 years with extra responsibilities and tasks (tons of paperwork, projects, and formal observations) before getting my "clear" credential.
Yes, there are consequences in engineering (and doctoring) should you royally and irresponsibly f-up (there is in any field, no?)... but they treat you like adults and don't (not that I've seen) micromanage you from the front end like they do in teaching. Labor is micromanaged. Professions are not. Teaching K-12 is treated like labor in too many ways. My thought as to the reason? It has traditionally been women's work until the last generation or so... it is a remnant of sexism. It is seen as glorified day care by many... when really it is both vitally important and a really hard and constantly demanding job - one that requires incredible management skills (both of time and people) and a thorough command of your subject and a thorough command of language and math and child psychology. It is no walk in the park. Much more demanding than the work I used to do... and at half the pay. But, you know, we're not really professionals.
@dexter: "Consider in particular that it conflates that fact that certain "scientific subjects, including, but not limited to, biological evolution, the chemical origins of life, global warming, and human cloning, can cause controversy" (i.e. social/philosophical controversy) with actual scientific controversy
Nice catch. That is indeed illogical. One would hope that this meaning of controversy would be left for other classes.
Hello fellow gamers, please join my game 'Cricket Diplomacy' which starts in under 4 hours. The game is meant to pay tribute to the cricket diplomacy between India and Pakistan at the recent ICC game in Mohali. The URL is http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=60027.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=55968 This is a request from me and my fellow players to get Oz removed from the game as he continually refuses to ready orders with no other reason than to spite us. Send a reply if you have questions, CaptainPrice.
In speaking of obscure ethnic heritages and lineages...
what percentage of what are you? I'm (roughly--we don't have this exactly on Mom's side) 1/2 German, 1/4 Scottish, 1/8 Irish, and 1/8 English. And for some reason, I always imagine it as a pie chart with German on the right half, Scottish in the upper left quadrant, English sharing a side with Scottish, and Irish sharing a side with German.
Barack Obama and the Homeopathic Theory of Ethnic Heritage
It seems if you take someone who is 100% Irish, and dilute the bloodline again and again and again over many generations until the original blood is pretty much undetectable, the result is someone whose Irishness is so powerful it is attracts the votes of Irish Americans from all over the US.