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hellalt (145 D)
24 Jan 10 UTC
Webdiplomacy World Cup
let's use this new thread from now on so that we avoid getting confused.
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danforth (1446 D)
04 Mar 11 UTC
Wha???
Why didn't Northeast Atlantic get dislodged? It looks like a basic 4 vs. 3 to me.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=41766
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WhiteSammy (105 D)
04 Mar 11 UTC
Messages from Finished Games
Why do you not get notifications from these games?
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givemeguns (100 D)
04 Mar 11 UTC
HEY!!!!!!!
pshhh sup war friends how yall doin? hit me up ;)
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Yonni (208 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Country assignments
A group that I play with are moving our correspondence game to web diplomacy. Normally, we switch country assignments between games so people don't have to play as the same country twice in a row. Is there a way to manually select who plays as what country or can it only be done randomly?
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ginger (183 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Readying orders.
I'm in an anonymous gunboat (might be a tautology, still new-ish) at the moment with someone who saves his orders but never readies them, as there are 24 hour phases where most people are finished after around 10 or so this this could be getting quite annoying if it continues throughout the game. Just wondering if there's any way to communicate that it would be good for them to ready them?
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IKE (3845 D)
04 Mar 11 UTC
New world gunboat on Oli
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=772
20 D 2 day phase 35 people in this game, join & have fun.
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Lando Calrissian (13 D (S))
26 Feb 11 UTC
Toronto, ON, CAN
Anyone from this lovely city?
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Frank (89 D)
01 Mar 11 UTC
Fights do result in penalties and sometimes suspensions. It isn't just a free-for-all. In fact, contact is very regulated in hockey. Lots of legitimate sports involve fighting; you should probably consider expanding your definition of sport.
Putin33 (100 D)
01 Mar 11 UTC
It's only allowed at the professional level. Amateur hockey does not allow it.
Jamiet99uk (58 D (B))
01 Mar 11 UTC
@ Putin: Why is it allowed at the professional level?

@ Frank: I am aware of fighting sports such as boxing and MMA. Ice Hockey is different because, at the professional level (ie in the NHL) fighting is officially against the rules. However, in practice, the league authorities condone it and, in some cases, actively appear to encourage it. This double standard seems odd to me. If fighting is allowed, then the rules should say so.
Darwyn (1744 D)
01 Mar 11 UTC
The rules state that you go to the penalty box after for fighting...so it is against the rules. And in my opinion, it should stay that way. But fighting serves a purpose. It gives players their own way to serve justice when the refs miss something or when a goon gets out of hand.
Putin33 (100 D)
01 Mar 11 UTC
There are two defenses for the anomaly of fighting at the professional level, neither of which I find persuasive.

1 - Allowing an outlet for fighting prevents more dangerous types of penalties during the game, because fighting is said to occur because a player engages in a rough hit or attacks a star player that the referee doesn't see. It's said to protect star players from getting hurt, because you can't go after one without getting your face punched in.

2 - The idea that it's tradition and has always been a part of the game.

The first argument is the only one worth dealing with. The fact is that has been no spike in dangerous hits or stick penalties at the amateur/collegiate level which does not allow fighting.
Darwyn (1744 D)
01 Mar 11 UTC
Anyone who has seen Claude Lemueix take Kris Drapers face and rake it along the boards knows what I mean by justice. that happens to be an outstanding example, but it's also the little things that go on in the game...
Putin33 (100 D)
01 Mar 11 UTC
I don't know if you all follow baseball, but there was once an understanding whereby if your player got beaned by a pitch, the other team would retaliate and the umpires would allow the retaliation so long as it didn't escalate.

That code has largely been eroded, because the league has cracked down on retaliatory beanings due to bench-clearing brawls. Also the damned "DH" rule prevents retaliation as well since pitchers don't bat.

I don't know if it's a good or a bad thing, but a similar phenomenon in baseball has been killed.
Darwyn (1744 D)
01 Mar 11 UTC
2 is bunk, but 1 isn't completely correct. I think it's more about giving teams a way to police themselves in a way that doesn't take punishment to a child-like level...like kicking the player off the team for fighting or garnishing his pay.

Amateur and collegiate level players are kids and they are treated like kids...I don't think you should treat adults like kids.
Darwyn (1744 D)
01 Mar 11 UTC
well, you rarely see bench clearing brawls in hockey. 99% of the time it's a fight between two players...I can see where in baseball, if retaliation involves the entire team, it could get dangerous very fast.
Jamiet99uk (58 D (B))
02 Mar 11 UTC
@ Darwyn: "fighting serves a purpose. It gives players their own way to serve justice when the refs miss something or when a goon gets out of hand."

The professional game only has goons *because* fighting is tolerated.

"Amateur and collegiate level players are kids and they are treated like kids...I don't think you should treat adults like kids."

Erm, no. Many adults play ice hockey at levels below the professional game. They are not children.

"Anyone who has seen Claude Lemueix take Kris Drapers face and rake it along the boards knows what I mean by justice."

An incident like that should be dealt with by suspending or fining Lemueix after the game, if the referee did not spot it during the game. Fighting is not the way to deal with infractions the referee does not spot.
Darwyn (1744 D)
02 Mar 11 UTC
Jamie, clearly you have never played nor can appreciate the nuances of ice hockey.

Hockey, unlike any other sport is a free flowing, highly physical game, regularly lasting many minutes between stoppages of play. Using your body to knock another player out of the way is a requisite. And because it is free flowing and so physical, infractions/cheap shots happen all the time...but every tiny little infraction cannot be called without hindering the flow of the game.

Maybe someone gets tripped, or elbowed, or gets their face raked into the boards. If they are lucky, the refs see it and dole out a two minute minor penalty. Not a huge deal. But if you are a goon and have a reputation for taking these kind of penalties and possibly causing career ending injuries, the two minute penalty is fair trade.

As I said, fighting keeps goons honest. You take a cheap shot, you costs your team two minutes...but you'll also get a target on your back, as you should. Without fighting, the two minutes that you cost your team was well worth taking out an opposing teams player. With fighting, you'll think twice about what that may cost you.

"The professional game only has goons *because* fighting is tolerated."

Wrong. Goons are inherent to the game because of the highly physical, free flowing play. When you have someone rapping their stick against your shin pad constantly (perfectly legal by the way), tempers will flare. Its the nature of the game, my friend.

"Many adults play ice hockey at levels below the professional game. They are not children."

Indeed. I play and I am no professional by any means. Yet fights exist in MY beer league. You get suspended for a game and receive a $25 fine. It's against the rules, but it happens because of the reasons I just described.

"An incident like that should be dealt with by suspending or fining Lemueix after the game, if the referee did not spot it during the game. "

He was suspended AND fined. But suspension and being fined won't stop that sort of cheap shot. Being threatened with getting your ass kicked on the ice however, will.

"Fighting is not the way to deal with infractions the referee does not spot."

Again, you don't know hockey then. I'd urge you to lace up the skates, grab a stick and try it out. You'll find out fairly soon why fighting is allowed.

Just curious, what is boxing or MMA to you? And how is this form of fighting different than what goes on on the ice?
Darwyn (1744 D)
02 Mar 11 UTC
In fact, why not just take a run at the goalie while he's in a vulnerable position and take the ensuing two minute penalty?

Two minutes is worth knocking out a hot goalie, isn't it?

Without fighting, the goon takes out the second goalie. With fighting, his ass is getting handed to him as soon as he sets foot back on the ice and he will never ever do that again.
Jamiet99uk (58 D (B))
03 Mar 11 UTC
@ Darwyn: "Maybe someone gets tripped, or elbowed, or gets their face raked into the boards. If they are lucky, the refs see it and dole out a two minute minor penalty. Not a huge deal. But if you are a goon and have a reputation for taking these kind of penalties and possibly causing career ending injuries, the two minute penalty is fair trade."

Clearly, then, the actual problem is that violent players, whose violent play risks ending the careers of their opponents, are only recieving minor penalties. If you deliberately try to seriously injure an opponent, you shouldn't get a two minute penalty, you should face a large fine and a lengthy ban from the game, and your team should be fined and penalised heavily too, for failing to control their players' discipline.

That would put a stop to the fighting pretty quickly.



ME: ""An incident like that should be dealt with by suspending or fining Lemueix after the game, if the referee did not spot it during the game."

YOU: "He was suspended AND fined. But suspension and being fined won't stop that sort of cheap shot."

Then clearly the suspension was not long enough, and the fine was not large enough.


What you're basically saying is that ice hockey is a sport where a large proportion of the players are unscrupulous, violent cheats, whose cheating can only be stopped by punching them repeatedly. Not exactly a great advertisement for a sportsmanlike game, is it?
Darwyn (1744 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
That's not what I'm saying at all...firstly, I'm saying is that you don't know hockey.

Secondly, hockey is a fast sport with 10 - 200+ lb. guys skating at high speeds colliding into each other...something will give eventually, sometimes it happens accidentally, sometimes on purpose. Due to the nature of the game, there are goons...and goons need to be policed more than the game itself can offer, else the game becomes too slow.

What's your beef with fighting anyway? Because you see a contradiction between the rules and the actuality? I don't get it.

Thirdly, go lace 'em up, hit the ice and play a competitive game to win. You'll figure it out...
Darwyn (1744 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
"Clearly, then, the actual problem is that violent players, whose violent play risks ending the careers of their opponents, are only recieving minor penalties."

Hockey is a violent sport, dude. There are risks. Everyone knows this.
Geofram (245 D (B))
03 Mar 11 UTC
Can we go back to Toronto? =)
Putin33 (100 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Toronto keeps the damned Albertans from messing up the country.

I didn't realize Canada blocks Fox News. That's hilarious and fantastic.

Mafialligator (239 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Yeah, we have laws in Canada that make it illegal for news outlets to lie to us, so Fox news can't come here. One of my favourite facts about Canada and Fox News.
Graeme01 (100 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
@Putin33, I would actually say Ottawa has a bigger role in that than does Toronto.
Mafialligator (239 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Debatable. Parliament are the ones who make decisions like that, but the plurality of MPs who actually vote in favour of bills like that are elected in ridings located in places like the GTA.
Jamiet99uk (58 D (B))
03 Mar 11 UTC
@ Darwyn: If everything you're saying is true, why are there no fights in Olympic ice hockey?
Darwyn (1744 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
They play on much larger rinks where speed and finesse trumps physical play.
Putin33 (100 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Players are ejected from the game for fighting in Olympic hockey. Olympic hockey also prohibits checking to the head, NHL does not.

There is nothing intrinsically barbaric about ice hockey, the NHL has rules which make it that way.
Jamiet99uk (58 D (B))
03 Mar 11 UTC
So they favour skill over violence? Sounds good to me,.
Jamiet99uk (58 D (B))
03 Mar 11 UTC
(Sorry that was in response to Darwyn's last comment, not you Putin)
Mack Eye (119 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Re: a FTF game in Toronto, I'm holding a 'Board Game Day' on March 27th (a Sunday) in the West End. If anyone is interested, please respond to this thread on the Meetup site:

http://www.torontoareagamers.com/messages/boards/thread/10515934/#40017725
That's the same weekend as the mini con I mentioned, so I won't be in. Sorry.


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jc (2766 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
High stakes live gunboat
Starts 7pm EST 101 D
gameID=52287
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met (100 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
A game now!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=52265

it's alive game starting in 14 minutes. If someone would come............we are 3 now. Need 4 guys to start. Do you want a different evening instead of the obviuos film? come here!
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DimmyK (108 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Please join game, Classic diplomacy - 3 people needed
gameID=51964 pls join, password "dagger"
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Ges (272 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Fear or greed?
The Sage of Omaha once said that investors should try to be "fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful." Which tendency, if either, tends to govern your Dip play, especially when you divert from a long-range plan (i.e. to stab earlier than you had hoped)?
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obiwanobiwan (246 D)
07 Feb 11 UTC
This Time On Philosiophy Weekly: "What Do YOU Think Heaven And Hell Are Like, Then?"
That's a question I got on the bus this week, and it's been on my mind ever since, sort of simmering there...just when I think I'm happily ready to watch a movie, on comes Hamlet and instantly he's talking about this and that about death and there the question is again, so I put it to you as well, WebDip members--play Dante. If YOU could have your perfect, 100% version of what the two "afterlives" are, what would each be like? Is it anything to be excited about?
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help pel
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=52240
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helpp pleaseeee
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=52231


please comeeee
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spyman (424 D (G))
17 Feb 11 UTC
Favorite Televison Shows
What is your favourite television show?
1. Over the last year
2. Decade
3. All time
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KPopRoxMySox (131 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Help! Tips on Starting?
Tomorrow at school we are playing diplomacy as a class(not webdiplomacy, actual diplomacy) and everyone thinks that because I play webdiplomacy, that I am a big threat. Although I have made alliances, I do not know who will actually live up to that and I'm afraid that if I get targeted by everyone, I will lose and then I'll get a C for the grade. I'm playing as Austria-Hungry so does anyone have any tips on how I should start out?
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Stripy (2759 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Earthquake
To er "celebrate" the fact I've suddenly got lots of spare time after having my business wiped out by an earthquake for the second time in 6 months I've started a new game. It's 101 point buy in and anon. The location is:

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=52198
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Curious_George (134 D)
02 Mar 11 UTC
Why is the game not progressing?
I am in a game, and all the players show up with the green 'ready' tick, but the deadline ticker is still counting down. Is this normal?
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mapleleaf (377 D)
02 Mar 11 UTC
New Game....
Dr. Seuss Birthday Game!
5 minutes /phase (live) Ante: 35 - Spring, 1901,
No in-game messaging, Anonymous players, Winner-takes-all
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obiwanobiwan (246 D)
02 Mar 11 UTC
Anyone Need A Tutor? (Or Know Someone That Does? Or A Good Tutoring Site?)
I don't want to, but as the only thing I can do REALLY well is literature and theatre and philosophy and all that jazz, I'm trying to get a tutoring job now, along with applying to all the regular places, retail and restaurants and all that...trying to find some folks in my school, but I need to get going, and I could care less if it's online, if that be the preference...so does anyone know someone who needs an English tutor, or else know a site that's hiring (or anything?)
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mr.crispy (0 D X)
02 Mar 11 UTC
quickie game
just having a little fun here while being bored in class...join join join!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=52158
2 minutes left!!!
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terry32smith (68 D)
27 Feb 11 UTC
Moderators please look at this!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=51778#gamePanel
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help please
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=52152

1 people come
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Calmon (674 D)
02 Mar 11 UTC
Statistics of Winning Nations from all Finished Games
Because I don't know all hidden places on this website -took ages until I found the rankinglist- I just want to know:
Are there statistics of winning nations from all finished games? It would be really interested to look into, maybe filtered by gunboat, normal, etc.
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mr.crispy (0 D X)
02 Mar 11 UTC
New threaaadddsss
hey hey hey. I see you. Yes you, aimlessly looking around on diplomacy trying to find a good game to join...well let me tell ya ladies and gents, if you wana play a quick game :) 5 min phase with only 7 minutes to join...well...this is your game...winner takes all!!! (not like the pot is big, we're not here to get rich just have fun and die trying) so if you're bored...got some time on the hands...well

gameID=52143 is the place to be
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Iceray0 (266 D (B))
27 Feb 11 UTC
Draugnar/Iceray0
Making a match to play with Draugnar, a few of you have received invites as it is but I'm looking to add more that want to play with the two of us. Password protected game, pm for invite to the game, invites are given at my discretion.
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WhiteSammy (105 D)
01 Mar 11 UTC
Do points = Clout?
Just a topic i was curious about. Since my return here to the site it seems that since i have over 100 D that my allies are more easily won by show of total games played/won/return on investment rather than the actual diplomacy aspect. I know that we are a easily persuaded race but what are your thoughts on the matter?
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Fasces349 (169 D)
27 Feb 11 UTC
The Second Metagames sign up thread
The first Metagame series just ended, and congrats to LanGaidin for winning it.

This is the sign up thread for the new one.
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Shusaku (230 D)
01 Mar 11 UTC
Clock problems...
Hi guys, I don't know how it happened, but my clock somehow got delayed. I mean, in the game window, you see a timer before the next phase. Well... mine is 5 minutes BEFORE the real time. It's pretty annoying for the live games...
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