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To be berated by Draugnar post cheating accusations here!
"Because the best deterrent to crime is strong, public punishment. If everytime I verbally berate the person and keep it at the top for a time, maybe I can keep another cheating accusation from being posted".
Fuck off, Czech. Don't have a go at Draugnar. He's right. People should not post cheating accusations on the forum. And when they do, they should be shouted at and told not to do it again. Draugnar is providing a public service to the users of the forum by shouting at idiots who fill it with cheating accusations when they ought to just email the mods instead.
As long as everyone keeps commenting, this forum will be up at the top. Who would pass up the opportunity to post cheating accusations here? People would be too lazy to start a new thread. Look at how few live game announcements there are now.
well, "peterwiggin" (or should i call you jamie?) you are clearly one of the multi-accounts. and i believe Draugnar is the other one. but i also have a strong suspicion that both "Lando" and "hellalt" are part of this massive cheating ring.
GET THE FUCK OFF MY FORUMS. DJ WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? READ THE MOTHER FUCKING RULES AND EMAIL THE GOD DAMN MODS. THROWING A BITCH FIT ON THE FORUMS BECAUSE YOU'RE BAD AT THIS GAME IS NO WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING THINGS. That being said, you're a tool. GTFO.
The mods have requested that cheating accusations not be posted on the forum. What you are doing is neither clever nor cute, it is just annoying and exacerbating a problem. As I've said, I (or any of the other mods) have no problem with people discussing changes to current policy, but you are knowingly trying to undermine the current rules. I love that this is a free forum and it is one of the reasons I've stayed here so long. It would be a shame if that needed to change because people couldn't have the smallest bit of self control.
"you are knowingly trying to undermine the current rules."
Abe, Czeck is not trying to undermine the site rules. He is making fun of Draug for being too heavy-handed. I think he got the point across. I am fine with not posting accusations in the forum. There are counter arguments, but I have accepted the will of what seems to be the majority and the opinion of the mods. But it is silly to abuse people for this. Sure, repeat offenders, I understand, but newbs and non-forum regulars, the abuse is ridiculous.
"I love that this is a free forum and it is one of the reasons I've stayed here so long. It would be a shame if that needed to change because people couldn't have the smallest bit of self control."
There's never a good reason to berate anyone publicly, particularly online, where there is much less opportunity to fine-tune the message so that it is understood and remains at the appropriate level.
Which is more toxic to an online community? Is it the people who are ignorant of the guidelines (or who choose to disregard them)? Or is it self-appointed enforcers of orthodoxy who berate breaches of etiquette?
More to the specific point, should anyone care about public accusations of cheating? I suppose it's common to wonder whether one's loss is the result of collusion, but most of the time it's not.
My hypothesis is that someone sophisticated enough to detect actual cheating already knows that accusations should be made privately. Therefore, public accusations are made predominantly by those who would not be able to discern actual cheating.
Is there some effect of being accused publicly? I argue that if there is one, it's a positive one! Based on the preceding point, only unsophisticated players would pay any attention to public accusations. Is it a bad thing if unsophisticated players shy away from you? Maybe so if your goal is easy points, less so if you want good games.
Satirical comments which could possibly be interpreted as implying that it is okay to post cheating accusations in the forum will NOT be tolerated. If you come across any posts which subtly imply that such behavior is okay, even if disguised as humor, please denounce the poster to firstname.lastname@example.org.
"What is this China?" You equated moderating the forum to political censorship committed by a repressive government. I pointed out your view was total bullshit and that your attitude sucked donkey dicks. Not you, your attitude.
dear new players. if you post cheating accusations on the forum, you will have to suck donkey dicks. if you are not able to, Draugnar will be forced to do it for you. don't do that to him. so just don't do it.
abe no need to apologize. I am okay with the site rules. I think it would a shame though if people thought it was not okay to even *discuss* the site rules. To your other point, I suppose, I thought it was pretty clear that czeck was joking. If anything I thought his post has the effect of advertising that posting cheating accusations was against the rules. I don't think anyone reading the thread would come away confused. Regardless I think I have come to the view that it is best if only mods handle cheating accusations (although i am still possibly a swinging voter). I don't think abusing newbs is the answer. In fact I fear we might be driving people away from the site. Draug, I have think I have answered your point too. I think it should be okay to *discuss* anything. But if Kestas wants to make it clear that certain topics are a no go zone, he should probably let us know (I am talking about discussion of policies).
@Spyman - do you think we're driving away new players? I'm finding less and less "Hi, I'm new here" posts on the forum. Like is there any way to gauge the retention rate of new players here? Because I agree with your fears that we are driving them away
Our Alexa stats have been falling. Maybe its a cyclical thing? This site is a bit small for Alexa to properly measure, but my impression is that things are bit quieter than they used to be. I do think we should NOT be abusing newbs.
I agree completely. If you notice, my first post said we have no problem with discussing the rules, but that didn't seem to be what this was. And yes, I wish people were more polite, especially to new players.
I'm curious to hear different takes on live game etiquette. If there are no-shows, or players miss the first phase, it seems to be that the game should be cancelled or at least a draw. However, if one player is the benefiary of said no-show, then he or she has little or no incentive to vote for a draw or cancellation, forcing all the other players to participate in a game in which he or she has a distinct starting advantage.
I am playing in "European Crisis-28" at http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=50159 , and I just tried saving my orders. It didn't work, and it gave me an error message. I would like help from one of the admins. Details replied..