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baron von weber (549 D)
26 Dec 09 UTC
Stand Offs
If DEN attacks KIEL suported by BER is it a stand-off if KIEL is attacking BER supported by MUN?
IKE (3845 D)
26 Dec 09 UTC
No, Kiel will move to Berlin & Den will move to Kiel. Assuming neither is support held.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
26 Dec 09 UTC
( Support moves on Kiel won't have an effect as it is moving )
orathaic (1009 D(B))
26 Dec 09 UTC
Berlin is beaten 2 versus 1, and then while kiel is empty Denmark marches in unopposed.
ottovanbis (150 DX)
26 Dec 09 UTC
hold the horses, i thought that a unit couldn't cut the support of a unit supporting an attack on that unit ("that unit" being kiel in this case)???? therefore kiel is taken, berlin is safe?
I think in this case as KIEL is moving out the only support that can be cut is the support from BER. If KIEL were supporting MUN attacking BER it would be a stand off? (As MUN cuts supppport from BER)?
gjdip (977 D)
26 Dec 09 UTC
ottovanbis, you'd be right if Munich weren't supporting Kie - Ber.

What baron von weber describes is correct. In the scenario he describes no units would be dislodged as Mun cuts Ber and Den cuts Kie.
However if KIEL support MUN to BER, and KIEL is supported by RUHR, an attack from BER supported by DEN, (or an attack from DEN supported by BER) can not succeed, and BER will be taken. Correct?
orathaic (1009 D(B))
26 Dec 09 UTC
the other two possible outcomes are:
Ber > Kiel (denmark supporting)
Kiel > Ber (Munich supporting)

Result: Bounce 2 vs 2 (not supports cut)

Den > Kiel (Ber supporting)
Mun > Ber (Kiel supporting)

Result: 2 bounces, 1 vs 1 as both supports were cut.

The original being
Den > Kiel (Ber supporting)
Kiel > Ber (Mun supporting)

Kiel take Ber (with the successful support from Mun)
Den takes Kiel (unopposed because Kiel is now in Berlin) - the fact that Kiel doesn't usually cut the support from Berlin is immaterial - and the rules also stipulate that a unit which is forced to retreat can have no effect on the territory is was attacked from, in this case meaning Berlins support is cut. (and Denmark enters Kiel with a strenght of 1, so could have been bounced out by a single unit in ruhr.)
Orathaic thanks for the above

You do agree that following works:

If KIEL supports MUN to BER, and KIEL is supported by RUHR, an attack from BER supported by DEN, (or an attack from DEN supported by BER) can not succeed, and BER will be taken ? This is on the basis that KIEL support is not cut because KIEL is supported? Also KIEL is not dislodged?
orathaic (1009 D(B))
26 Dec 09 UTC
yes, those are all correct.
Kiel S Mun > Ber
Ruhr S Kiel H
Den S Ber > Kiel (fails 2vs2)
or
Ber S Den > Kiel (fails 2vs1 Ruhr plus Kiel versus Denmark, as Berlon's support is cut by munich)
Many thanks Orathaic
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
27 Dec 09 UTC
On the second scenario: Kiel support Mun to Ber, Ruhr support Kiel to hold and Ber suppport Den to Kiel, nothing will happen, because Den cuts Kiel support for Mun to move to Ber.
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
27 Dec 09 UTC
So, just another case where you should use a simple rule: if you have a unit which support can be cut (Kie) and another unit with a guaranteed support (Mun), always move the first one (if possible of course).


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22 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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26 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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26 Dec 09 UTC
colors are very hard to see
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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27 Dec 09 UTC
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26 Dec 09 UTC
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26 Dec 09 UTC
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26 Dec 09 UTC
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26 Dec 09 UTC
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26 Dec 09 UTC
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26 Dec 09 UTC
question
can army in north africa move to spain? thanks!
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26 Dec 09 UTC
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26 Dec 09 UTC
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26 Dec 09 UTC
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