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Firehawk (124 D)
07 Dec 09 UTC
JOIN!!!
join "everyone's a little paranoid" starting in a couple of minutes
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patizcool (100 D)
07 Dec 09 UTC
First win!
As Russia, I got my first win :D:D:D:D
This game changed a lot, any criticisms... just because I won doesn't mean I couldn't have done better.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16407&msgCountry=Global
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Live game with no bullshit rules
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16332

5 D.
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magiclit (0 DX)
07 Dec 09 UTC
Live Game, 10 minute phases
join this fun live game. it will be a blast i'm sure

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16423
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Iceray0 (266 D(B))
07 Dec 09 UTC
Last game for me tonight! Live action!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16424
10 bet
PPSC
5 minute rounds!
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danwalshdanwalsh (100 D)
07 Dec 09 UTC
Live game 10 minute turns winner takes all.
ROOM NAME: danwalshing-6
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Rule Britannia (737 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Is this true?
Dave Bishop says that a mod told him if u get a country, the odds of getting it in the following game is halved- a special thing with the game. Any truth to this claim?
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danwalshdanwalsh (100 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Live anonymous game 5 min turns WINNER TAKE ALL JOIN NOW
Room name: danwalshing-5
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Helljumper (277 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
LIVE GAME IN 30!
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danwalshdanwalsh (100 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Live anonymous game 5 min turns
WINNER TAKE ALL JOIN NOW
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Rule Britannia (737 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Anyone have any advice on how I could hav foreced a result?
I'm vaguely new and couldn't see how i could have done:
anyone got any advice for me?
gameID=16327
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Iceray0 (266 D(B))
06 Dec 09 UTC
Second Live game by me today!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16405
Same as last time!
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doofman (201 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
New live game, 5min PPSC
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16404
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Dunecat (5899 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
How many Brits/Aussies on the forum?
Anybody here from England, Wales, Scotland or Australia?
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Ben Dewey (205 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
The Socratic method.
I want to hear some peoples opinions on this one. The method is that you answer a question with a question. Example-"Where are you from?" reply- " What purpose causes you to ask such a question?".
It either works or its just annoying. I go what annoying since this is probalby the reason he got his head cut off lol.
Ben Dewey (205 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Think this was a good idea?
Ben Dewey (205 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Scratch: think this is a good idea?
ottovanbis (150 DX)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Socrates was used as a scapegoat for the loss of the Pelopennesian war... he didn't deserve execution. And he was executed by poison not by decapitation. Where did you learn your ancient Greek history? yes, i like the idea.
Ben Dewey (205 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Oh well I wasnt sure EXACTLY how he died and most people are idots so i have heard a lot of ideas of his execution. I just threw one out there. Well I think it isnt a good idea. Becuase it never ends!
ottovanbis (150 DX)
06 Dec 09 UTC
socrates was trying to get people to better understand their realities. for that it is an effective method. if you're looking for superficial answers then it can be very annoying indeed
Stukus (2126 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
It's not just responding with ANY question. The point is to respond with a question that forces your interlocutor to actually think about their beliefs. I find it very useful, personally.
hellalt (113 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Why did Socrates respond with a question?
First of all because providing an answer means that you think that you know the truth.
Socrates believed that noone can really know the whole truth.
Also, questions serve as a tool to make the other person think so that he/she tries to discover the truth buried inside him/her. Questions result in the emergence of the truth.
Socrates believed that so to say everyone has access to the truth, you just have to constantly quest for it, keep asking yourself and others and never ever think that you have reached the absolute truth.
It's the journey that matters.
Ben Dewey (205 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
And this brings me to my next point- The use of complete logic in every situation.
denis (864 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
I think onl a major douchebag would reply like that. unless its in a debate tat it can be a usefull tool
ottovanbis (150 DX)
06 Dec 09 UTC
hellalt that was a perfect explanation thank you. i didn't know you were a good philosopher at heart, i guess i always saw you as a blatant troll. BD, define "complete logic"
Sinon (133 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Well, the Socratic Method is useful in a lot of situations, but it also must be taken into account that the original was from the dialogues of Plato. Plato tends to turn Socrates into sort of a Mary Sue character in these writings, who always wins arguments with his opponents (often prominent Athenians) practically licking his boots at the end. This was mainly vindictiveness over the execution of Socrates on the part of Plato (IMHO).
Ok, as someone who majored in philosophy and has a love affair with Plato/Socrates I feel necessary to add my two cents.

The dialogues of Plato through which Plato primarily uses Socrates as his spokesman, are all vehicles through which he expresses ideas. They are clearly not meant as accurate encounters that Socrates has. There is a GREAT deal of scholarship on this issue and it would take volumes for me to express all the content that is there.

Things that are very likely true (Accepting we cannot know these things with complete confidence):
Socrates was Platos teacher
Plato had tremendous respect and admiration for Socrates.
Socrates pays homage to his teacher through expressing not only Socrates ideas, but his own through the mouth of Socrates.

Socrates was tried and by a narrow margin convicted by the Athenian jury of heresy (disbelief in the gods) and (corrupting the youth), but a lot of popular accounts attest Socrates conviction as a convenient scapegoat for Athens loss in the Peloponnesian war (as mentioned above), but theres a lot of background to this. I recommend Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War (a great read even if just for the history). He is reported to as willingly accepted the verdict and drank hemlock poison to kill himself.

The Socratic method gets its name out of the methodology popular used in Platos dialogues where Socrates is the main character. Socrates is seeking wisdom (a Philosopher is from the greek Philo = love and sophism = wisdom, hence lover of wisdom). He reportedly seeks out people who supposedly have it. At the time there were teachers in Greece who referred to themselves as Sophists (or essentially wisemen). But what we find in Platos dialogs is that they are mostly rhetoricians. They are great at sounding wise and important, but really, when pressed are unable to answer Socrates' fundamental questions.

Socrates is often seen in a dialog looking at particular questions such as "what is virtue" as in the "Meno". The person he asks proposes to know the answer and supplies one. Socrates finds this answer unsatisfactory so he asks follow up questions. It is through these follow up questions that the person is forced to acknowledge, through his own answers, that his original answer is unsatisfactory.

I think the primary thing one ought to get out of the Socratic method (which also is a term used in law, but of a slightly different meaning) is that it is intended to demonstrate a point to a person by having that person answer questions where they are led to show that a particuar position is flawed in some way. The value lies in that it is not antagonistic. One is not merely accusing someone as wrong, nor trying to beat someone over the head with dogmatic reasoning because they are being led by reasoning they acknowledge to the desired conclusion.

As to the second point: Logic, I think is good in every situation, in context and properly understood. But logic is largely misunderstood outside of philosophy. Logic is concerned with what follows NOT truth. Logic and truth are very separate ideas. Logic is a means that if you have x premises, y must necessarily follow. Those premises could be flawed in which case yo have a logically sound argument but one that is invalid. The conclusion follows from the premises but one or more of the premises are flawed.

Of course logic is one of the major subdivisions of philosophy and there is a lot to it. Some of it when you start getting into logical modality and what not are very sophisticated and difficult for laypersons to understand.

Sorry, but when you jump on a hot issue of mine I can get long winded.
Centurian (3257 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Guys, Socrates didn't go around annoying people for no reason. Its not like he was saying "I know you are but what am I?" like an idiot.

Its about the nature of truth. If you "don't think its a good idea" I think you should ask yourself some questions.
PatDragon (103 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
I use the term "Socratic method" in a different way than I think has been discussed so far. In the context of education, it is a label for a particularly specialized style of teaching, involving a lot of carefully chosen leading questions. It's generally a lot more fun to learn in this style, and we conjecture that it is also more effective. The name "Socratic dialogue" is unfortunately antiquated, and possibly somewhat misleading. The purpose of question-based instruction is not to evade answering questions (like in Ben's first example), but to engage the person in a thinking process, instead of a passive process of memorization or observation. For example, when a lecturer teaches about how to compute the area of a square, the lecturer could simply provide the formula first, and tell people it is true. On the other hand, one might ask a few leading questions, hoping that the students could eventually write the formula themselves. One good question might be, if I take a bunch of cubes, and I arrange them into a square with n on each side, how many cubes are there?


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figlesquidge (2131 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
FIGurative Interpretation
For those in gameID=16346...
As I invited several of you personally, it has been brought to my attention I have an unfair advantage in knowing/having a good idea who's in the game. Obviously I'm one of them. I'll leave it up to you if you tell people you're in or not I guess. Also, Since I've had to start this thread for this reason then I've made it back to a proper gunboat (we can use this if needed)
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Iceray0 (266 D(B))
06 Dec 09 UTC
Live game!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16398
5 Minute rounds
PPSC
Live!
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GoonerChris (100 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Live anonymous WTA game
gameID=16388 5 D to join! Let's go!
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Sendler (418 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
live game anon
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16392
anyone interested?
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Rule Britannia (737 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
for some reason the game won't offer me a build- why not?
gameID=16006&msgCountry=Global
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ChaosNinji (203 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Live Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16382
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josepr (100 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
where to play machiavelli and a game of thrones?
im interested in these games. machiavelli is a version of diplomacy and a game of thrones i have read there is a lot of negotiation.

does anyone knows where to play these games in the internet?
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Spell of Wheels (4896 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Error message
Can't navigate to my home page due to this error.
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Triskelli (100 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Analyists Requested!
I'm a fairly new player, and I've brushed up on a few strategy articles I've found online. I just wanted to ask any commentators out there if they think I stabbed at the appropriate time in this game. Naturally, it wasn't perfect, because it was expected. I'm just curious if the timing was right.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=15501
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danwalshdanwalsh (100 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Live game winnter take all
5 minute turns, anonymous

Room name: danwalshing
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Anon Games
Personally I would prefer it if you could see who was in a game during pregame, but that this was then hidden when the game goes live. What do others think?
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DocVanHellsing (207 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Live Gunboat-2 next try
live gunboat, 5minutes turns, everything goes, WTA
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Iceray0 (266 D(B))
06 Dec 09 UTC
Live
Anyone up for a late night live game?
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Gnome de Guerre (359 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
Longest Game Ever?
What's the longest game of Diplomacy you've ever heard of, either on this site or off? Links to high-turn-count WebDiplomacy games are encouraged.
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podium (498 D)
06 Dec 09 UTC
live game
any one up for a live game can set one up would prefer anon no press straight gun boat.
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