"9/11 he WAS superb, and his speech from Ground Zero right after the attacks was probably his high moment, the only time he spoke he really sounded good and in command, like a great leader, so for that, at least, kudos where it's due.)"

too bad 9/11 was a government operation

westboro baptist church is absolutely loony

If you believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories you are officially a dunce.

Oh, lord, not another consiracy theorist... not as annoying as radicals like the WBC, but still annoying...

I actually partially believe that it was an inside job. But then again I am thoroughly convinced that the Illuminati exist (no, I never even saw Angels and Demons).

Back on subject though, I absolutely hate it when these radicals gets air time. it gives the world such a wrong impression.

"If you believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories you are officially a dunce."

The only way I could have said that better is if I used stronger language. zckls04 +1

Ah, 9/11 Truthers. The bottom of the idiot barrel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyrlcoKRjn0&feature=related

You're an idiot, ottovanbis. You might be one too, jman77.

A question for all you 'anti-truthers': do you believe the official government explanation without question for 9/11 in every single detail?

@Tolstoy
Right on the nail. There is a lot of conspiracy BS out there but there are also many unexplained facts.

There was a recent nat geo documentary which looked at the most common 9/11 theories, all the structural collapse and missile stuff (the classic "steel doesnt melt at the temperature jet fuel burns" argument is addressed, that sort of thing), doing tests and interviewing experts and whatnot, pretty informative stuff

I burnt a copy to a DVD and sent them to a friend in the UK who firmly believes the 9/11 conspiracy stuff, but I'm sure he won't accept it/watch it


Regarding the Church there's also a good documentary on them by Louis Theroux which was very interesting, it does give an insight past their views and into what's actually going on behind the scenes, very revealing. But it's wrong to judge all of America based on this or that group

I agree with SunZi- I'd say 95% of conspiracy theories are BS.

But there ARE facts missing, and that leaves room to speculate... I don't believe in a 9/11 conspiracy, and I think it foolish for folks to just come out and say "It was all Bush!"

(And I'm no Bush fan, so I'd, to be honest, likely leap at the chance to take a shot if I thought it a real and fair shot...)

There are unexplained bits, but the whole I think we may reasonably guess- after all, we never absolutelyhave all the facts about things in life, there's always that little something that eludes us... if nothing else, the state of things itself, the universe, is a mystery.

So you make your judgment on your best guess, and to hold out for a conspiracy because facts are "withheld" or whatver is absurd.

On the flip side of "no one knows everything about anything," that also means NO religion has ALL the answers OR the ultimate one... just saying "It's in the Bible/Koran/Torah!" or "God said it/It's Jesus' will!" or, worse of all, "Jesus/God Hates ___/Wants me to do ___."

YOU DON'T KNOW GOD.
YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT HE/SHE/IT/THAT ENTITY/THAT FORCE WANTS.

It is rather a lifelong journey to try and discover that for yourself- so don't just pull out your sign and say "GOD HATES FAGS!" or "God is Against Gay Marriage!" or any of that nonsense.

Make your best estimate, and make your decisions- but NEVER say you know 100%, and ALWAYS remember that not only is it a possibility you might be wrong, statistically, with so many differing opinions, all equall valid (or invalid, depending on how you view it) it is in fact likely you are wrong in some way or another, and this is nothing to fear, but rather something to cherish, for it is through admitting that nothing is perfectly solid, no ideal unasailable, that we can find what works and what does not, and make any progress.

Declaring your church knows God inside out and so he hates fags and all that... that's just getting in the way of any real understainding.

Sounds just like the extreme Muslim take on all involved in the title of this thread....

You know what's really bad? These extremist Christian heretics obviously haven't done their homework:

Homosexuality is a sin, but not an unforgivable sin. Either way, it's not rationale to murder someone

Jesus was a Jew

God loves everyone regardless of skin tone or religion

All of this is right under their prejudiced, heretical noses. It's all in the Bible.

I think the same of all you theists, there are no greater fools in the world than Christians especially. The Bible is a load of shit. Invictus, fuck you.

while there may be many fools that are christian, there arent that many christian fools. ottovonbis u disgrace the name of Bismarck, considering he was a firm lutheran and called agnostics the most idiodic people on earth. he ended up liking catholics and loving the faith. i hate paganism and am sad to hear of atheism. Theres alot of problem today caused by religion, only because those people arent actually following their religion. Christ never uses the word religion, because theres no such thing. The human mind all of a sudden said, this is Gods and this is mine. They separated religion from secular. theres no such thing as secular, God is ever present. Forgive those people who dress in sheeps wool but whom are wolves underneath.

Agh, here we go again, more religous fanaticism. It sickens me as much as I sicken you, maybe even more. If religion makes you happy then fine, what you don't get is that God is dead (wrong word, never was alive/real/in existence) to me so there is no religious segment. I am all secular and always will be. Who is "they" btw? I obviously (as it seems you have failed to realize) didn't pick Bismarck's name for my username on a religious basis, I did it because of his reputation as a diplomat. Let's not even get started with yours "Mein FUHRER" "SIEG HEIL!"

You need to study Bismarck more by the way, he did what he needed to in order to get what he needed to get done. You can't just simplify him as a Lutheran. He was human.

@SSReichsFuhrer
What do you mean by "paganism"?

Fuck me? I hardly said a word about religion in this thread.

It must have been about the whole "you're retarded for thinking 9/11 was a conspiracy cooked up by the Bush administration" bit. It sure hurts when someone mocks a closely held belief of yours, doesn't it?

And I STILL want to know what the hell is behind your name, SSRechsFuhrer... a joke, or should I and the rest of the Jews on site start to run?

It seems to me that Otto jumped right into the insults for no reason. You apparently think that 9/11 was an inside job. That's what you believe, so you must be right. Some people believe in God, that's what they believe, but you don't, so they must be idiots.

The closed-minded man is the only idiot in my book. They'll go down screaming about how they're right, even if proof of them not being right is sitting in front of them. I'm not calling you an idiot, I'm just making a point.

Whilst I don't agree with his name, SS pretty much nailed it.