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TheWizard (5364 D(S))
28 Aug 09 UTC
NIce training game for the tournament.... starts in 60 min... Join!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13029

24h WTA ,only 287 poits buy-in...
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airborne (154 D)
28 Aug 09 UTC
airborne's personal thinking lab
http://www.worldleadersthegame.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=173
check it out sometime I encourage any comments on any maps and I take requests (sometimes...)
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saf d e a t h (100 D)
28 Aug 09 UTC
High speed game
if you like playing intense and fast games join here http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13042
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PallasAthena (113 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
Doubt about attacked unit attacking and dislodging the supporting unit.
I have a doubt concerning a territory that is being attacked and while the unit is moving away from it to attack and dislodge the supporting unit.
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CaptBrooce (1082 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
Why no draw?
Two players left our game, one had voted for a draw as did the two remaining players - yet the game is still processing orders. Am I missing something here?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=12028&msgCountry=Global&rand=68545#chatboxanchor
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vexlord (231 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
as easy as 1 2 3
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13032
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redcrane (1045 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
LIVE GAME PLANNING SESSION:: THURSDAY, 8/27/09. 12:00 PST.
let's try to get a live game going. I'm open for a bit. anyone up for it?

I already have a game labeled live, join if you like. 24 hr phases, 20 D input, ppsc.
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Baron Samedi (319 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
Quick question...
So recently, in one of my gunboat games,
I did F Aegean Sea-Bulgaria (sc)
and F Black Sea Support F Aegean Sea-Bulgaria
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Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
Started two new games 2009 WTA and PPSC
Hope to gain some people - the pot is reasonable so don't be shy :)
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Hibiskiss (631 D)
25 Aug 09 UTC
So I just got back from the Gym
and I feel like I am going to vomit.... but I need the calories because it is a lot of work doing weight-lifting nerd math to get the proper nutritional breakdown and calories and cannot let it happen...!
Hibiskiss (631 D)
25 Aug 09 UTC
Discuss Gym experiences and self inflicted betterment pain!
Centurian (3257 D)
25 Aug 09 UTC
I wonder how prevalent the gym is among the webdip population. I for one just got back from a soccer game where we were embarassed 6-1. My feet hurt. So I hope to relax and plot other's downfall from the safety of my own home now.
Hibiskiss (631 D)
25 Aug 09 UTC
I only just started going, I frequent somethingawful.com and the fitness information there is excellent. I think squatting 195 pounds for five sets of five reps plus everything else I did is what nauseated me, two hours later and I'm still pretty miserable while I plan out my moves on here. Soccer kicks your ass pretty hard, that's way more running than I can do, I just barely manage 3 miles each workout day.
fortknox (2059 D)
25 Aug 09 UTC
If you feel like you are about to vomit, you are overworking yourself. I can dig up an article that will explain how you are doing more harm than good. Should you be sore? Absolutely! Feel like you are going to vomit and/or pass out? Overworked, causing damage.

I've moved from weights to cardio, as I need to keep the endurance for when I ref (american) football this season...
Draugnar (0 DX)
25 Aug 09 UTC
I play softball and feel Centurian's pain every Thursday (and it sticks through the weekend) especially if I've had a good night at bat and had to run the bases. Otherwise, it's just my shoulder from pitching.
Hibiskiss (631 D)
25 Aug 09 UTC
I didn't feel dizzy or like I was going to pass out, I just felt extremely nauseous about half way through the workout (doing weights 5x5 with a minute rest between each set and 2 minutes between each different exercise type) and stayed nauseous for a long time after actually.

I've been doing both weights and cardio one day on, two days off, cycling between two routines that I alternate.

First time I've felt that way after a workout and I am around 3 months in. I ate an hour before I worked out like usual and after I had my normal protein shake. I googled a few things but nothing really fit the description, if you could link me to something I can do to prevent it from happening awesome and I appreciate it!
Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
25 Aug 09 UTC
I get my exercise growing my own vegetables. Digging is good for the soul, and the arm muscles! Plus at this time of year you can harvest huge armfuls of your own crops - you save money, they taste better and it's very satisfying. Not to mention eating lots of fruit and vegetables being very good for you in itself!
Hibiskiss (631 D)
25 Aug 09 UTC
We get all our vegetables from the local farmers market which is always way less expensive than the grocery store and we grow our own herbs out back. I can vouch for the huge difference in local grown compared to grocery produce when it comes to taste. Doesn't even compare.
Centurian (3257 D)
25 Aug 09 UTC
I agree with Fortknox. Muscle soreness the next day is actually good, but nausea isn't. In high school our coach used to make us run suicides during the wee hours of the morn (suicides are where you sprint to a line, touch it, sprint back, and then sprint to the next line going progressively further each time.) We had people throw up after practice, and everyone was just wiped out. I think it was the rapid starting and stopping.

I've heard that protein shakes and supplements are useless btw. Most guys who take them are big red meat eaters anyways, so they meet their protein needs all on their own, and as such they don't get any additional benefit. But I don't know alot about it, I play organised sports, but have never been much of a weight lifter or anything like that.
Hibiskiss (631 D)
25 Aug 09 UTC
Protein shakes aren't useless and most people who use protein powder or supplements aren't weight-lifting body builders that eat a ton of red meat - that is pretty big, and silly, assumption. They're just another way of getting protein into meals. When you're building muscle you need roughly 1 gram of protein per pound of lean body mass and that is surprisingly difficult to do on a budget. When I make breakfast muffins out of oatmeal, blueberries and other things I add vanilla protein powder to add some protein to it. Just an example.

I plan my meals down to the gram because I am a nerd when it comes to data and tweaking the different things I try and do. Aiming for caloric ratio of 40% protein, 40% carb, 20% fat diet as I can and have had great progress. Overboard? Sure, but it's fun.
digitsu (1254 D)
26 Aug 09 UTC
I did the Oxfam Trailwalker. 100km of non-stop hiking through the mountains close to Fuji took our team 43 hours. That is about as torturous and as much damage one can do to onself, short of cutting yourself.
@ Hibiskiss: I agree with Centurian, I've never met a weight lifter or known of one that was a vegetarian. You don't even need to be a heavy meat eater, a light meat eater gets sufficient protein. The only thing you can be tweaking is the timing you eat your meat to maximize benefits. The majority of the protein they pack in there you are just pissing out. A tablespoon of peanut butter will be better and hell of a lot cheaper.

Personal experience is better than half the crap you're reading online. Unless you are a nutritionist with experience might do you good to befriend one to get free advice ^_^ It's what I do at least lol
Centurian (3257 D)
26 Aug 09 UTC
Yes, thanks for clarifying for me Sayjo. Just look at the daily value percentages on your average tv dinner. The average person, not even weight lifters, eats much more protein than they need.
fortknox (2059 D)
26 Aug 09 UTC
Sayjo... while I agree that the protein shakes are only good about an hour after you work out, there is a difference between peanut butter and red meat. Red meat has complete proteins (all the amino acids in the protein chain), but no veggie has a complete protein (soybeans come the closest, but still not complete).

Protein shakes are usually made from whey, which is an animal product and, I believe (I could be wrong, here) a complete protein.

Having said all that, if you pounding shakes anytime except for right after your workout, all you are doing is making your crap hard (seriously... ask any lifter who drinks them all the time... makes your arse hurt) :D
fortknox (2059 D)
26 Aug 09 UTC
hit submit too fast...

after all of that, you are still better eating a steak or lunchmeat than an overpriced protein shake. I'm not a fan of the shakes, and I don't mind the lack of complete proteins, so I eat soybeans (edamame) and nuts after I lift.
Crap my post got cleared lol I don't care enough to redo it for the benefit of others.

Keep working out though, it's extremely rewarding. ^_^
akilies (861 D)
26 Aug 09 UTC
I love soccer/running, which i know is weird, but playing midfield for soccer really can take it out of me, even after running 4 miles or so a day to try to keep endurance up after a game i am just worn out.
that and then i also play ultimate frisbee which is awesome, though i tend to over exert myself trying to win :)
I was never a fan of Ultimate Frisbee, running though I'm with you. Nothing beats a heavy endorphin rush while your legs give the sensation of being weightless.
BigZombieDude (1188 D)
26 Aug 09 UTC
Read 'High Intensity Training' by Mike Mentzer, it has everything in it that you will need to know about training, over- training diet and exercise and has more information than you will get from here.

From your post you are keeping your training intensity to a maximum so your style will fit in exactly with Mentzer.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
26 Aug 09 UTC
Hey guys.

I actually have a question.

I play ultimate, and I also jog a few miles a few times a week.

So cardio is fine for me. What I want to learn how to do is build muscle and use all those machines in the gym. How do you know what to with all that shit? Lol. Also, what kind of lifting of hand weights (or benching) should I do? Not just what kind of lift, but also for how long, and what position should I sit/stand in? Lol honestly I don't know much of anything.

And how do calisthenics like push-ups pull-ups or sit ups (or crunches instead?) play in? And what is the best way to do those, if they're necessary?

Finally, what and when should I eat to maximize what I do? Lol. Anyone who knows what they're talking about, please help me out. Thanks!
BigZombieDude (1188 D)
26 Aug 09 UTC
Thucydides....see my post above, it will really help you with everything you want to know. If that doesnt help, send me a message and ill go through a plan for you, giving you a workout that you want and one that would help.

The book is worth every penny.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
26 Aug 09 UTC
But doesn't Mentzer advocate like... training only once every four days? I couldn't sustain something that infrequent, is there any other way?
vamosrammstein (757 D(B))
26 Aug 09 UTC
You could go lift every day, but work out a different part of your body every day, so that you get in the routine of going all the time, but can still move the next day.
vamosrammstein (757 D(B))
26 Aug 09 UTC
Oh and one of my friends has a roommate who was a state champion weight lifter in high school who never ate a piece of meat in his life.
Just saying meat isn't the only way to build a lot of muscle mass.
akilies (861 D)
26 Aug 09 UTC
@Thucydides - right on, i love ultimate, do you play on a team or something or just with friends?? i also need to work on the whole building a little muscle mass.
do people prefer free weights over the actual machines??
vamosrammstein (757 D(B))
26 Aug 09 UTC
Free weights are better if you're working out at home, because you can do a lot of stuff with them, and they take up substantially less space than a gym full of machines. I find that using machines is easier though, because you're less likely to do the motion wrong, and thus less likely to hurt yourself by lifting incorrectly. What my trainers have told me is that you should start out with machines, and once you know what you're doing, transition to free weights, because you have to keep the weight stable in addition to actually doing whatever exercise it is that you're doing.
akilies (861 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
cool thanks that probably saved me some hurt, cause my friends usually use free weights at the gym, but they've been weight lifting for years.

Thucydides (864 D(B))
27 Aug 09 UTC
Lol I just don't know how to use the machines... how to even identify them. Is there like... a picture guide I can look up somewhere?
vamosrammstein (757 D(B))
27 Aug 09 UTC
Typically the machines have an explanation of how to use them right on the side of them. You could go see a personal trainer for one session and have them explain how to use things and what type of exercises to do and all that, and then just go do it on your own, or you could just go to the gym and ask someone to help you out. Seems kind of weird I know, but typically at least one guy in the gym will help you out if you ask. If you're more of a do it yourself type of guy I guess you could look it up on your own, but I really recommend going to a professional to help you get started, that way you know you're doing what you want to be doing, and more importantly you're doing it safely.
I'm in cross-country just to get sweaty, tired, and come home with a sweet ribbon every weekend. Very rewarding.

Just kidding, the socializing and being in shape is awesome.
fortknox (2059 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
Thucydides... ask a trainer in the gym to show you the machines. Honestly, I prefer free weights. The balance? It strengthens your core (abs).

90% of the time: Weights = strength, cardio = weight loss and lean muscle tone, caliesthenics is a little of both till you get to a point where you won't gain any more strength.

P90X is a vicious workout (you need to be in shape BEFORE trying it) that is based on pushups and pull-ups with very little weight and lots of crazy crunches. The before/afters on it is amazing, so you'd be surprised at what you can do with a very small hand weight set...
vamosrammstein (757 D(B))
27 Aug 09 UTC
I'm with you on the free weights preference fortknox, but would you agree that machines are better for someone just starting who wants to build a solid muscular base?
fortknox (2059 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
Machines are definitely a good start... but don't get really used to it, cause it can lead to bad form when you want to switch... and if you are going to use free weights... get someone with experience (like a trainer) to teach you form. Dead Lifts, Overhead Presses, and Squats can be very dangerous for the untrained...
vamosrammstein (757 D(B))
27 Aug 09 UTC
Agreed.
So Thucydides, basically, lifting isn't the place for a do it yourself attitude if you've never done it before. Go see a trainer a few times, get them to tell you what to do and how to do it, and then go work your ass off:]
thewonderllama (100 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
I have nothing to say about the actual topic here, but I would like to know where you ref fortknox. I never knew an actual ref. :)
Hibiskiss (631 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
Wow this thread exploded yesterday while I was gone, awesome! Just chiming in that free weights are the way to go. Start with the lowest weight you have (or just the bar) at first so you can make sure your form is right and then slowly increase by 5 pounds or so every workout (1 day on 2 off or one on one off rotations). If it's too easy then bump it up more but concentrate on form and not on what you're actually lifting.

Before I was doing all free weights and using the machines I could Leg Press 400x5x5 but that didn't translate to Squat power at all and I haven't even hit back up to 200 yet. Same for the Overhead Press/Press machines compared to Bench Press. I could do 150x5x5 on the Press machine but free weight with a spotter I am just now up to 90x5x5.

@Sayjo and others concerning Protein Powder. You need to make sure it's Whey or Casein sourced protein or it's true that it's a waste of money. Most protein powder that doesn't list the source is just dehydrated milk. There is no difference between drinking a Whey protein shake and eating 4 ounces of chicken other than convenience.

I can bake my protein into a muffin and eat it on the way to work, mix it in a shake and drink it in 2 minutes when I am in a rush or I can eat 4 ounces of chicken breast or a few eggs.

$25-$35 for two pound containers isn't really that horrible of a price to me when it makes convenient meals for two people for two weeks, that's under $2 a day.

Plus it's nice to have an "Orange Juice" flavored protein powder to drink a glass of Orange Juice that doesn't contain an entire jar of sugar. Spinach and Broccoli disappear into shakes and it's great to get the veggies in without tasting them. It's a lot easier and faster to drink a shake with a cup of broccoli than it is to eat! :D

They have delicious flavors: http://www.netrition.com/syntrax_nectar_page.html

And I crap great, thanks! I get 45-60 grams of fiber a day just from black beans and assorted vegetables and drink probably 128+ ounces of water a day.

@BigZombieDude: I do HIIT/Tabata sprints on my workout days first thing in the morning (sprint full speed for 30s, jog for 30s - until failure). My workouts are in the late afternoon/evenings.

To anyone this interests I suggest this thread: Alfalfa's Nutrition/Rest/Supplement Beginner Guide ver. 2.0, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadID=3188387

This guy knows his shit.
Hibiskiss (631 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
Also I am 6'1 245 28% bodyfat down from 263 33% bodyfat in June.
Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
Never mind all this macho beefcake talk.

If you really want to prove you're a tough guy, join my live game: http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13031
fortknox (2059 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
@llama: I ref in Cincinnati for varsity/JV/Freshman (american) football. Occasionally I'll be asked to do peewee (8th grade and below), but I don't like it (better pay, but the parents are terrible to deal with).

I play head referee (the dude with the white hat who signals the penalties). It's a job where you learn to get really tough skin really fast, and the pay is terrible. But I love the game of football and wanted to be a part of the game. I absolutely love it.

First varsity game is tomorrow (friday)... spent the last few weeks in a half dozen non-paid scrimmages to knock off the rust.
alamothe (3367 D(B))
27 Aug 09 UTC
you must work for 1h max (weights). always do weights before cardio. you need a post workout drink too


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StevenC. (1047 D(B))
25 Aug 09 UTC
Why can't Skaggerak move to Baltic Sea in this case?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=12835

This one has me stumped.
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
Live game today? (Thursday)
This usually fails, but is anyone up for a live, or at least live-ish game, today? Starting in the next hour or two, 15-minute turns? Maybe a 25-point stake?
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Polar Bear (1038 D)
26 Aug 09 UTC
Still not auto scrolling
About a month or two back, when this site was moved and updated, I remember a lot of people complaining that text-boxes were no longer auto scrolling to the most recent. This is still a problem for me. Was this fixed?
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FloatingLakes (5034 D)
26 Aug 09 UTC
Coming back to the same game???
In one of my games, the person playing germany went into CD. someone decides to join as germany and takes over. later, italy goes into CD. now the person that was first playing germany comes back and joins as italy. seems like hes playing 2 hands of poker at one table. allowed?
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redcrane (1045 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
Another live game attempt
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13033

join please! 20 D, ppsc
1hr phases. Only join if you can guarantee your moves.
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trainedkilla (444 D)
27 Aug 09 UTC
Private game in need of a seventh...
I started a private game and had our seventh player back out last minute. Although most of us have played with one another before, I assure you there are no pre-determined alliances. Deadline ends in about 4 hours. We only need one so first come, first serve. The game is called Holy Shnikeys! Password is bloodlust. You can find it easily by clicking on my profile.
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denis (864 D)
26 Aug 09 UTC
just a small town girl
livin in a lonely world
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djbent (2572 D(S))
17 Aug 09 UTC
down to 3 games, no more summer travel
anyone up for a new game? WTA for sure, phase length and pot size negotiable... i'd really like to play with some folks who i haven't played with before/much, and who like to talk a lot.
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warsprite (152 D)
26 Aug 09 UTC
Have seen the texting film?
How many of you text or use your cell when driving? Will this film change your use?
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LanGaidin (1509 D)
19 Aug 09 UTC
What comes next?
I enjoy many of the games and love to verbally jest on this site. But I'll pose a more serious, if not profound, question. What do you believe comes after this life (this would include nothing, if that's what you truly believe)? I'm just curious since there is a pretty diverse range of persons on this site what others perspectives/beliefs are. I ask only that everyone respect others viewpoints as I'm relatively sure they'll be some on opposite ends of the belief spectrum.
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rlumley (0 DX)
26 Aug 09 UTC
New WTA game - Seven Little Indians
gameID=13010

24/101
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
24 Aug 09 UTC
How's this for a variant? - Spies Everywhere
By midway point of the end of the phase (so at the 12 hour mark on a 24 hour phase game), you would need to announce the moves for 1/3 of your units. So if you have 3, you have to announce the moves of one of them. (If you have less than 3, you don't need to announce anything. When you hit 6 SCs, you need to announce 2 moves, etc.
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The General (554 D)
25 Aug 09 UTC
Before the green check marks and black check marks and !!...
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kestasjk (99 DMod(P))
26 Aug 09 UTC
2 bugs fixed
A points allocation bug, affecting people who go over 18 SCs, and a bug where votes (including unpause votes) would be ignored if the game was paused
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
23 Aug 09 UTC
TMG Masters sign ups close on Wednesday, 26th August at 10AM, GMT+1
To sign up, please e-mail [email protected], including a link to your profile in the e-mail.
To ask any questions, please read the first reply, and then, if it isn't answered there, post a reply to this thread.
Details inside........
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Draugnar (0 DX)
26 Aug 09 UTC
Will a draw vote go through if the game is paused?
I thought I remembered reading that the code was changed so a draw will go through even if the game is paused, provided all active players vote for it. http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=12505
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tilMletokill (100 D)
26 Aug 09 UTC
MOD
Kestas i hope you respond to my PM
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Crazyter (1335 D(G))
24 Aug 09 UTC
Intervention Needed
I am too addicted to Diplomacy. My family is threatening to do an intervention. I am halfway serious. I could even get in trouble at work. Has anyone else been in this situation?
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Mods a little help here
This game has been trying to end for almost a month now. We have a CD player and all 6 remaining players have voted to cancel. It never went through so we tried to all vote unpause to see if it will go through after that. All players currently have cancel and unpaused voted for but nothing is resolving.

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=12169
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denis (864 D)
26 Aug 09 UTC
ZupNiggas is this offensive?
I am not Black or African American if you will insist but this member joined today and can you get banned for an offensive name
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