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Babak (26982 D(B))
25 Apr 09 UTC
New WTA Game: "Enhanced Interogations = Torture"
WTA - 75 pts - 30 hr deadlines (password inside)
Game #10350 - click on my profile to find it (I can't cut & paste the link on my phone )
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Geofram (130 D(B))
25 Apr 09 UTC
New game, 24 hours, low bid.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=10349

I didn't create the game, but i"m here to promote it. Join up!
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iMurk789 (100 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
FtF vs php
does anyone else think FtF is a lot more fun? and which do you think takes more skill?
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
lulzworth and DipperDon
You have both expressed some interest in playing in the leagues. Could you please both email me (my email is in my profile) so that I have a way to contact you. Thank you.

Note: these would be the last two places, but you still have a chance of playing if there is a no-show, so everyone else, get in touch with me via email!
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Sicarius (673 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
sexism in diplomacy
I just noticed that the gamemaster assumes all players are males.
example "GameMaster: chelsea has withdrawn his vote for a pause"

I think this needs to be changed in the next update
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Short of Daybreak (100 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
possible multi-account?
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=10310

tuannq2367 (38), tuannq1403 (53); I think it's one person with two accounts. Please investigate.
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cteno4 (100 D)
22 Apr 09 UTC
Another digit
Congratulations! I've just noticed that we're now into the five-digit game ID numbers. Thank you, Kestas!
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DestructorKhan (100 D)
25 Apr 09 UTC
The World of Bust (New Game Join Up - Very Fast Phases)
Anybody up for a fast-moving game? Join The World or Bust.
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Goose1x1x1 (100 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
Greatest Game ever! (New Game join up)
Come one come all, have some fun ;D
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CharCOLE33 (100 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
JOIN
This is just starting and is for people who may be recently new and just learning.. but dont let that stop you!!
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
24 Apr 09 UTC
Limited Diplomacy variants?
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brad343 (0 DX)
24 Apr 09 UTC
Possible multi-accounting.
Could the mods check game 9826? Russia and Italy seem too close to be different people.
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
Threads...
When a thread disappears off this page, is it possible to read it anymore?

I mean, like, is there an archive? Threads seem to drop of the main 'forum' page very quickly, that's all.
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aoe3rules (949 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
If I don't trust me neither should you
Variant idea:

Throughout the game, your statements must either all be complete lies or complete truths. You choose one set at the beginning of the game and do not switch mid-game.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
24 Apr 09 UTC
Possible multi-account
I've never accused anyone before but...
Hole_in-the-road (78) and Hitlersbunker(17) need looking into

Thanks in advance
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Lord Alex (169 D)
15 Apr 09 UTC
Another game..... ?
MHS people here.
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ama66144 (130 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
Multiple accounts reported
I have some serious concerns with these three profiles.
dr_cox (32), link_gorro (2), vomet_knife (37)
If they could be looked into I would appreciate it.
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el_maestro (14722 D(B))
23 Apr 09 UTC
About Ghost-Rating Challenge Game One


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XxBeastRage69xX (100 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
Creeping Death
Anybody who is anybody is going to join the game Creeping Death..............You don't wanna miss this
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Assendous (100 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
Dumbasses and their strategies
I wasn't sure before but now I am.... how can it be possible for someone to not be able to follow a simple move order
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Chrispminis (916 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
Unoriginal Original Thoughts
Have you ever come up with a fantastic thought or idea, only to find out it's been done before? Tell us about it.

This just happened to me and I'd like to share my frustration. In addition, I'd like for us as a community to coin a succinct word for this phenomenon. Extra irony points if someone finds a word that already describes this.
Chrispminis (916 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
So for the past few weeks I've been contemplating the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics and it's ramifications and I started off on a route that I hadn't been down before... namely Schroedinger's cat from the cat's point of view. I basically reasoned that if I fired a gun at my head, in the vast majority of universes that exist because of the Many Worlds interpretation I would be dead, but in a tiny set, miracles of astronomical improbability (my original thought being macroscopic quantum tunnelling) would save me and my stream of consciousness would only continue in those universes where this had happened and so I would seamlessly transit to my miraculous survival. At first I thought that this could mean that everyone would live forever from their point of view, despite mounting improbably survivals, simply because of a twisted sort of anthropic principle, which I realized would likely lead to terrible maimings and injuries with no relief. I realized this would not necessarily be the case, because perhaps in some instances death reaches full probability, or if my stream of consciousness registers the catastrophe quick enough that in the majority of universes it resolves to an instance of fully probable death and I would experience death.

As I pondered about this more I refined the thought experiment. I reasoned that my method of death would have to destroy my consciousness swiftly enough that I would not know I was or was going to die, and that the resolution of measurements from the quantum flux would have to be just as swift. Thus, shooting myself in the head would not really work. I thought about a rig of explosives around my head that when triggered measured the spin of a particle and if it measured up exploded, but if measured down, did not. I reasoned that from my point of view, I would push the trigger, and nothing would happen. I could continue to push the trigger, and despite everything being set up correctly and there being a 1/2 chance of my death, I would continue to survive, but from my point of view. In the vast majority of universes I would have died, but I would be unaware of those.

From this, I had a myriad of ideas for short stories. Perhaps one where a committed scientist decides that proving the Many Worlds hypothesis is of extreme importance and carries out the experiment, knowing that it will only really help the tiny portion of universes in which he would surmount the odds. Or perhaps a typical person (with knowledge of physics, I guess) slowly realizing the insurmountable odds he's been surviving and deducing the Many Worlds interpretation, etc. etc.

Anyway, today I wiki'd Roger Penrose because a prof mentioned him and I went on a wiki adventure, blasting off from his quantum theory of consciousness, and it took me through many articles about varying physical theories of consciousness, but then on link took me by surprise... quantum immortality. I thought, "No... this can't be it..." and as I clicked the link and read the opening paragraph horror clenched me and I felt like my idea had been so brutally ripped from me and stolen. Pre-copyright infringement. My idea had already been thought of, 12 years earlier. Hell, wiki even has a list of works of fiction based around the concept, many of which were very similar to the ones I had in my head. =(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide

Anyway, this has happened to me quite a few times, though not as brutally as this... I particularly remember reading The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins, and after reading the first few chapters and deeply pondering, I came up with what I thought were original ideas, but were then elaborated upon in later chapters! Sigh...

So has this ever happened to you? And what was the idea? Also, copying from the title post in case you missed it.

"In addition, I'd like for us as a community to coin a succinct word for this phenomenon. Extra irony points if someone finds a word that already describes this."
Ukla (390 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
How about Illusory Originality?
I have a problem with your hypothesis, anyway. Why do you assume that your consciousness would somehow seamlessly transit? It seems to me that your consciousness as YOU know it, here, would experience death, and only those consciousnesses (spin-offs of you) in those miracle universes would continue life. Insofar as those consciousnesses in those alternate realities are, essentially, you, YOU would still exist in some versions of reality, but the you that you are aware of would not.
Chrispminis (916 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
Well, because my consciousness certainly seems seamless. If the Many Worlds hypothesis were true, than my consciousness is technically splitting up all the time in multiple universes, yet I don't feel it, because of the seamless transition.
Chrispminis (916 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
That's not a bad term, but I think it would be better if it also conveyed that the idea was already thought of, or it could be used as a verb. eg. "I thought I was the first one with this idea, but it turns out I'd been XXXX-ed"
Ukla (390 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
Let me ponder a better term..

But, just because your consciousness is splitting up all the time does not mean that you are carrying along with it. If you split a tree in half and replant the halves, each half can exist. But, if you burn down one tree, you cannot just assume that the essence of the tree transferred to the other tree that is "essentially" the same. The only real conclusion that can be made is that the "you" that you are aware of is the lucky one that has not yet been killed off by one or another events that have killed off other versions of you.
Ukla (390 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
LoL.. How about Pre-plagiarized? Also works as Pre-plagiarism, Pre-plagiarist...
I like this one.
LanGaidin (1509 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
I had just started writing the seventh book of Sherry Totter and the Magician's Pebble when Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone came out. I was bummed.
sean (3490 D(B))
23 Apr 09 UTC
Sounds like the plot to a Greg Egan novel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Egan

Crisp, have you seen the movie Primer? be right up your ally i think.

as for a word...... preemptalized?
LanGaidin (1509 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
I'm sure I finished first in one of the alternate universes though, so I'm rich somewhere, sometime...
Chrispminis (916 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
Pre-plagiarized is definitely a step in the right direction. Far better than anything I came up with. It bothers me though because they didn't really copy the idea...

Ok, well trees don't really work in the same way. I'm not arguing Theseus' ship here. Take Russell's thought experiment that the whole of existence has only come to be just moments earlier, but complete with full memories such that you're absolutely convinced you've lived for longer despite that everything has only just come into existence. It's a similar sort of deception. My consciousness as an experience lives on in all the splits because every one of them is absolutely sure they are me and I am absolutely sure I am me. We diverge from then onwards, but up to and at that point we share the same subjective experience of consciousness. The only ones of me that are left after quantum suicide are the ones that are alive, and by a sort of anthropic consciousness they are the only ones that are conscious to say, "oh look, I'm still alive". It's awkward for me to say they, because "they" would be me. I would be absolutely convinced that I had survived and that I was always me, and you can't tell me that I'm not. The dead me's have no say in the matter.
Chrispminis (916 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
sean, I noticed Greg Egan in the list of works of fiction based on the concept. Greg Egan is one of my pre-plagiarists!! GRRRRR!

Yes, I have seen the movie Primer. Absolutely fantastic. I must admit, I couldn't make much sense of it until I stumbled upon a timeline of it. It does all make sense in the end, though I think I was baffled by the importance they placed upon the party.
WhiteSammy (100 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
the one from Knocked Up about the Mr. Skin type webpage was pretty funny
lulzworth (366 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
I believe it was Alexander Pope who said, "All my best ideas were stolen by antiquity".

So extra irony points, please.
OMGNSO (415 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
I've had a Dip related idea.
There was something a while back called the Karma League, no-one in it was allowed to break alliances with each other (this is Metagaming so cheating).
What about the reverse, where no-one in the League is allowed to befriend another.
Ukla (390 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
What would be the point of that? It would be gunboat with press.
Darwyn (1601 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
Chrisp,

This might help to spark some more ideas for you...

http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php

Watch the video! Let me know what you think...
Darwyn (1601 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
There's also some interesting conversations in the forum. :) Enjoy!
EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
23 Apr 09 UTC
The Karma League was around in the late 60's early 70's and it quickly fell apart not just because of a few people who joined with intent to discredit it, but because it created a situation where once identified the rest of the boards would wipe out the players since they were a predictable behavior pattern that both decreased the flexibility of everyone on the board and brought into the game outside forces that reduced the fun of the game.
Any arrangement of that sort (pro alliance or anti or feud seeding) causes the other players to have a channelling of their opportunities from outside and as such is distasteful.

However, on the original subject of mutual creativity, I seem to remember in my youth running into this alot with things like a round thin wood plane with a central axis support, not to mention this really hot idea of a flame thingee, and my favorite was pre-cut loaves of bread, but alas Anon was there before me stealing all the credit.
Draugnar (0 DX)
23 Apr 09 UTC
I was working on a business plan for an internet-based jukebox for bars when I walked into a bar and there it was. I drank way too much, went back home, and burned/deleted all of the business plan.
Draugnar (0 DX)
23 Apr 09 UTC
Oh, and "preconceived" is a pretty good word that describes exactly what has happened. Your "original" ideas were preconceived by someone else.
Draugnar (0 DX)
23 Apr 09 UTC
And it is a word already, so bonus points.
Darwyn (1601 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
Without context, the word "preconceived" is pretty oxymoronic to me. =D
Glorious93 (901 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
I had the idea of a pair of skis with wheels, so you could ski without snow... aparently already used for training olympic skiing teams :(
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
I suggest that you have been preadimed, pronounced pre-ad-imed (as in mimed), by a preadimous preadimer. The phenomenon is known as preadimism.

adimo in latin means "I take from, deprive".
Onar (131 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
Back to the idea of Quantum Immortality, has anyone ever read the book "The Man Who Turned Into Himself" by David Ambrose? It's essentially the same Idea you had.
There was also a short story I can't remember with the same founding concept, in a book of alternate Histories. In fact, almost all alternate History books/stories hinge on this concept.
Chrispminis (916 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
Darwyn I saw that video a long time ago. I remember not particularly liking it. It was interesting but I felt that it was a poor way to demonstrate more dimensions. I know he chose the multiples of three because we're used to it but I still didn't like that he transformed every third set back into a point. In his metaphor, any number of dimensions can be expressed as a point with the dimension above being a line, it doesn't have to be the ones that he chose. As well, any dimension can be expressed as a fold in the dimension below, certainly not just the ones he chose. Many of the ideas presented were not original and simply repackaged, and I can't see why he would use a Moebius strip, other than the fact that it seems cooler, rather than a normal loop which has the same effect. He doesn't address the fact that in the Flatland metaphor the Flatlanders still experience time in the same way we do, which seems out of place in his grand metaphor for the ten dimensions. All in all, I think it was interesting but fairly useless, especially with regards to explaining the many dimensions required for string theory... considering that the dimensions postulated by string theory are folded at the subatomic level.

WhiteSammy, good catch, I forgot about that!

Draugnar, preconceived is already a word, and it doesn't describe this phenomenon. It's when you form an opinion based on prejudices, eg. a preconceived notion. Sigh, that sucks with the internet jukebox thing. If it had been original I couldn't definitely see the commercial value too. At least alcohol was there to comfort you.

Glorious, yeah I've seen those around with cross country skiiers in the summer. All these stolen ideas!

TheGhostmaker, I must admit, I like your term the best because it's original (or is it?) and not just a portmanteau and it sounds like what it describes. The question is, if you're a preadimer does that mean you have been preadimed or you preadime? If you're preadimous does that mean you're prone to preadime or to be preadimed? It seems ridiculous for someone to preadime because it makes it seem like conscious intent to come up with the idea before me. It only seems like someone can be preadimed.

Maniac (189 D(B))
23 Apr 09 UTC
A word is a word if it is used by one person and understood by another. I think the word you are looking for when someone beats you to an original idea is....'sqvmfkxzjdw'

As in 'uncopyrightable sqvmfkxzjdw!'

Of course I apologise to anyone who already thought of this.

1 sentence 26 different letters, that should make people remember the word.
Glorious93 (901 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
I've forgotten already
Onar (131 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
Erm... there are no vowels in that word. How would it be pronounced?
Maniac (189 D(B))
23 Apr 09 UTC
sq-vm-fk-xzj-dw
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
A preadimer would be one who preadimes, although clearly isn't a morally loaded term. It is ok that they don't intend it: a polluter may not intend to pollute, for instance (I am sure there are better examples than that). Similarly, if you are preadimous, it means you are prone to preadime, however would be better used of the ideas themselves (certain ideas may be more likely to be rethought over and over)

The verb "to preadime" would be normally used in the passive of course.
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
preadimarious could be the nature of being prone to being preadimed, of course, owing the Latin construction of passives.
Chrispminis (916 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
That's a great word. Does anyone know what sort of procedure we'd have to go through to get this word recognized in some formal way? Perhaps send it to the Oxford Dictionary? I seem to recall that to be published in the Oxford Dictionary we have to show that it is in significant usage... what's the best way to spread the word about our accomplishment here?
Maniac (189 D(B))
24 Apr 09 UTC
What about 'Origitome' a contraction of 'original to me'? This could spawn 'origitomal ideas' and if someone else thinks of your origitomal idea before you but after the original thinker you would have been 'preorigitomized'

I think the OED would want to see regular usage of a word before publishing 'fad' words. Whilst words probably wouldn't have to fall into common usage they should have some logevity.
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
Yes, and it cannot be used by just a group of people either. Get using preadime in normal language people!
Chrispminis (916 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
Hm. In that sense it's pretty hard to consciously create a new word. Especially a new word like preadime or origitome... I mean, how would you spread the word? Put it in a song? If nobody can check up what it means in a dictionary because they won't accept it until people use it, how will they know what it means?

The best way I can think of, is if someone wrote a bestseller novel that explained the exact phenomenon, or better yet, if someone could get the crew of Seinfeld back together and an episode was dedicated to the phenomenon.
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
Crisp, I think what you are describing is called simultaneous discovery.

If you want something more catchy how about Akerue ("Eureka" reverse)


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spyman (424 D(G))
17 Apr 09 UTC
Pirate Bay Founders Sent to Jail
I read this today. I would be interested to hear what people think of this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8003799.stm
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Sicarius (673 D)
19 Apr 09 UTC
a goodwill invitation
because it's fun to be inclusive
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Xapi (194 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
Variant idea: Schizophrenia
See inside for details
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
22 Apr 09 UTC
Leagues: 9 spaces left!
There are 9 spaces left in the leagues. You would enter a level-D league, and entry is on a strictly first-come-first served basis. Email me if you are interested (see inside for detail of what is necessary for the email).

Incidentally, my site has the C-level leagues up.
http://phpdiplomacy.tournaments.googlepages.com/home2
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what happens if ur point count reaches zero?
i know this sounds stupid but wat happens if you have no points and are in no games? just curious.
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captainkirk (299 D)
24 Apr 09 UTC
how can we unpause?
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9833 stratageeks

been stuck for ages
thanks
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fullautonick (713 D)
23 Apr 09 UTC
If I am Austria again I swear I'll....!!
200 point buy in and 20 hour turns

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=10302
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pootercannon (326 D)
22 Apr 09 UTC
Grammar
I personally can't stand bad grammar and spelling. I'm in a game right now where I am seriously contemplating stabbing the crap out of my ally solely because I don't want to have to read the horrible writing anymore. While the stab is, I think, a pretty good one and I'll have help from my other new allies, is my main reason for doing it ridiculous? Or are there people out there who agree with me?
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
23 Apr 09 UTC
The Jehovites
How I got them to avoid my house.

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