Yes...

Not it

lol

jesus this all got a bit complecated

:) I hope not so much.
Is everyone ok with what stratagos formulated?
I will keep the war records in the global chat :)

alright. yes i'm down with it. ready when you all are

k, I think I've made sense of it all, now :D

xEFGRIAT
Expppppp
Fpxppppp
Gppxpppp
Rpppxppp
Ippppxpp
Apppppxp
Tppppppx

The above is a letter code for each nation, and the current status (p = peace. Guess what war is?)

X :)

It is true - the {insert nation here} are a nation constantly at war with themselves ;)

I want to be at war with myself. Should I declare it??? ;)

Here's a question. Suppose france and germany are at war. There are 2 or 3 turns where they aren't attacking each other (lets say germany is focused on russia and france is focused on england). Are they at peace automatically?

Basically, how do we avoid everyone being at war with everyone within a few years? Do things revert back to peace after X many turns without an attack?

It sounds logical and somehow natural. I would like to leave it up to the players to decide that though. They can agree to peace if they want?

I'd say if you make it a year (so 2-3 turns, depending on when you stopped hitting each other) without a 'war' move, you are automatically at peace and have to redeclare war.

I strongly disagree. I feel if someone wants peace, they should declare it. If the guy on the other side of the border gets complacent and doesn't protect against an invasion, that's his (or her) problem

then why not just declare war on everyone from the start and play diplomacy like normal? The idea of this variant is having 24 hour notice of a stab...

I mean, you can always redeclare war if the battles stall out for a year... even if you aren't going into battle that next turn.

Yes, they need to offer and accept peace. Otherwise you are in a state of war.

As to your question fortknox,
"then why not just declare war on everyone from the start and play diplomacy like normal? "

same reason real countries don't just declare war on everyone.
if you've stopped fighting then chances are both sides will want peace anyway, and if one or more don't then they'll end up fighting again soon.

There is an actual variant called Formal Diplomacy and it works somewhat like what you are saying except that it has:
War- cannot support the units of the party you are at war with (even in a self bounce)
Neutral- you cannot enter a province owned by the other party or dislodge one of his fleets or units, you cannot
Allied- you can support his units, be convoyed by his fleets but you cannot take a supply center from him even if you enter the province.

If you declare war on your ally and you are in his supply centers your units are interined.

hmmm
that's actually rather different from what we have but of course i should have known there would be someone who had had our idea already

Hi, yes, Formal DIplomacy definitly sound like a better name for a variant. I guess we didn't know that - and our variant is less complex - no allies/neutrals - just war and peace.

On the 'automatic' peace - I also would prefer it there's no such thing - I will definitely want to have peace with someone I'm not fighting if this will give me protection (from a stab). However, if I'm in the better position I might prefer to keep the WAR status - and if the other party wants me to agree to peace maybe I'll get something else in return? :)

Exactly, and that's how it works in the real world too

So, we have a situation with Turkey. Suggestions?

hes going to cd though, and dont anyone read into this but i did remind him he had to declare war before he moved

If he misses the unit-placing phase he would have punished himself anyway. Let's see whether he'll reappear - we might not need to do anything.