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Hyperactive Jam (299 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
Strange Press
This is where you post press that refuses to make sense.
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Lolflower (151 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
New Facebook Diplomacy - Strategery
A new phpDiplomacy fork for Facebook, Strategery. See inside the thread for details. http://apps.facebook.com/strategery/
Vampiero (3525 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
competition lol?
crimson (501 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
Suggestion: have the checkbox option to at least "put in left navigation bar" if not the whole regular slew of options. Otherwise, how is one supposed to regularly come back without specifically visiting the URL? That's not how folks regularly switch between apps in facebook...
flashman (2274 D(G))
05 Jun 08 UTC
You have a slight problem with BOFs like me who have an intense dislike of Facebook and the way it rapes your computer looking for ways to reach your private contacts...

One thing I like about the current phpDip is the way it is stand alone. It is a sealed system.
crimson (501 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
ok i'm an idiot - the apps link didn't do the right thing, but this one did: http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=11719494137#/add.php?api_key=43617690d3bc4426ce4dba551fa0d893
The MAtRiX (0 DX)
05 Jun 08 UTC
Hey, I'm relatively new to this site so my eyes started to glaze over around paragraph three when you mentioned "the v.0.75 code", but I graduated from U of O, Go Ducks!! ;-)
ChackyJan (227 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
Hi, this already exists. Created by Chris Hughes, I believe. I could be wrong, though, but I don't know... :(
yannis (100 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
To properly add the application so it appears on your Facebook page, you need to go to:
http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=11719494137
(I know this was posted already, but in a longer URL.)

Also, there are significant differences from the existing Facebook Diplomacy version (everything in Strategery is done through Facebook, menus are auto-updated when making selections, error moves are caught in many cases, bugs were fixed, etc.)
canute (0 DX)
05 Jun 08 UTC
Facebook has been outed as a source of Identity theft in Australia- Sorry not interested in its pathetic security- take a leap you idiots.
Come up with something original not a copy cat of this site
menace3society (927 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
flash, you're a BOFH? Remind me never to stab you again.
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
05 Jun 08 UTC
mmm...I would say it's under average.

First, there is no forum. Big bummer.
Second, there is no point system. That equals no incentive to play on. Bigger bummer.
Third, it only uses a modified version of phpDiplomacy 0.75, not 0.8! Biggest bummer.
So I won't play there...totally disappointed.
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
Happy with the community here, thanks very much. Nice for you chaps to have done a project, but phpDip is a community. Facebook is simply a way for ugly random people to 'poke' attractive members of the opposite sex...
kestasjk (99 DMod(P))
05 Jun 08 UTC
Original message:

Hello!

I am one out of five students enrolled in "CIS 423 - Software Methodologies II" at the Computer Science Dept. of the University of Oregon. The course's main emphasis was to develop a 10 week project that would give all developer's involved more experience at managing a long-scale (relatively long scale, that is) software project.

The project to design was up to our choosing, and we decided 10 weeks ago to modify and enhance the existing phpDiplomacy open source game by integrating it with Facebook. We did not feel comfortable taking the name "phpDiplomacy", so we decided to name our project "Strategery," after the strategic elements of the game, and for the fun the game inspires.

As part of our research and requirements gathering, we understand that there already exists a Facebook integration of the open-source phpDiplomacy code (Developed by Chris Hughes). While playable with the v.0.75 code, we felt that the Facebook platform offered many unique and interesting avenues for gameplay that Chris' implementation did not explore. Since the game of "Diplomacy" revolves around social interaction and manipulation, we felt that Facebook could provide a new and interesting spin on things.

Strategery was developed by 5 University of Oregon / Computer Science students over the course of ten weeks. While we certainly hope to receive recognition for it Strategery was developed primarily out of an academic setting. It is completely the intention of the developers to release all source code of Strategery to the public under the GNU open-source public license, although it is not currently available. The project is in its Beta phase, and we are cleaning up a few loose ends (It is also our finals week at this moment, so free time spent to develop an open source package is just not there at the moment ;) We expect to release the full open-source package within a week.

We feel as though the Diplomacy community will benefit the release of Strategery! We invite all members of this site to visit our facebook application and see how good of a job we have done! Strategery is currently in its Beta phase, meaning that we feel confident to release it to the public, although some minor errors and glitches may appear. If you receive any errors, or notice any odd behavior, please tell us about it! You may email any one of the developers, or leave a message on our application's forum. And as always, any criticisms you may have will be openly accepted!

You can play Strategery by following this link : http://apps.facebook.com/strategery
(*Note: This is a facebook application, and so it will require you to have a facebook account)

Strategery is based off of the v.0.75 code, which is not the current version running on this server. Our team has attempted to provide solutions for as many of the v.0.75 bugs as possible, although we could not provide solutions for ALL errors and bugs.

**** FEATURES ****
- Removed registration. Facebook registers for you. A single facebook user may not have multiple accounts.

-You can now adjust the amount of time it takes for a cycle to change phase. As it is right now, you may adjust the amount of time to be less than or greater than a day, and as low as two hours. This was a feature that was often brought up by users that wanted longer game cycles on the forum thread "The future of phpDiplomacy."

-You no longer have an "update" button when entering orders. Many users found it tedious to constantly fill in the next sequence of an order, and then hit update. Strategery makes use of HTTPS and Ajax server requests to be able to provide you with the next order sequences automatically, so you do not have to continuously hit the "update" button.

-You can invite people to games through facebook (private games only). When you want to personally invite someone to a game, you can search through your friends list on facebook, and invite up to 20 people to come play in your current game (only the first 6 that respond can enter).

- Messages to other users go through facebook messages.

-Notifications are sent to your facebook account when the state of the game has changed (someone has one, a new phase has shifted, etc.)

**********************************

We have worked hard for the past 10 weeks, and we have read your responses and feature requests. We hope that we have delivered something that members of the phpDiplomacy community will find valuable and enjoyable! Again, *ALL* source code will be available for download on sourceforge shortly, once we tidy up a few loose ends and construct a delivery package. It has been quite a learning experience for us modifying this game, and we hope you enjoy our new facebook application of phpDiplomacy, a.k.a. Strategery!

http://apps.facebook.com/strategery

Sincerely,

Adam Betz
Richard Kissel
Roger Cerkas
Scott Brooks
Chris Rowe
Yannis Smaragdakis
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
05 Jun 08 UTC
Boo!
Gunzo (0 DX)
05 Jun 08 UTC
Bah.
sean (3490 D(B))
05 Jun 08 UTC
you guys are pretty unfriendly to guests! its always nice to see people making new games/coding games. good luck with your project. i guess most of the people here are pretty satidfied with the way things are going here but.
kestasjk (99 DMod(P))
05 Jun 08 UTC
Didn't have time to write anything before, in future please post long messages as a response to a summary so it doesn't take up so much space. Having to scroll down 3 screens to get past one message gets annoying
Also it might not be okay to post a message advertising a "competing" site. I don't mind but I'm not sure Chris would appreciate it on his FB site. Probably best to ask first in future


That having been said I'm very pleased to see phpDip used in a uni project, as a computer science student myself. I wouldn't mind spending some uni-time getting course-credits working on phpDip, but none of our projects so far have been that flexible. :-(
I'm glad the code was helpful and I hope it didn't give too much trouble

Would it be possible to release the code under the AGPL license instead of GPL? The GPL has a loophole where you can modify&run it on a server without sharing the code, while the AGPL requires you make a download link available (other than that they're identical, and the AGPL is an OSI license approved by GNU).
If we're all using the same license it'd make things simpler (I'm not sure how compatible AGPL and GPL are)


Me and Chris are merging our sites to both use a 0.8 back-end, by the way, so perhaps it'd be a good time to speak with Chris about working with him on the Facebook extension to phpDip-0.8. I'm sure the Facebook phpDip users would appreciate the new Facebook-oriented enhancements, and that way your code would be more widely used and our work would all be towards one community instead of needlessly spread around.

Get in touch with me at [email protected] if you're interested and I'll see what Chris thinks about it
Chairman Mao (340 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
I think its quite a good way to prevent metagaming as seldom do you find an individual with 2 facebook accounts....

anyways, not interested a bit. I am happy with this community and I bet we have some better players and admins here........

But surely and undoubtedly, Strateg'er'y will bring in more people into the game of diplomacy, so its not all bad and no good i think
If I'm already on this site, should I bother to add either of the facebook apps? Can I link this account to my facebook, or would I have separate accounts?
Chairman Mao (340 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
I think its completely seperate.
If you have a facebook account, add that application and you're free to play there...but the accounts are seperate even so...
correct me if I am wrong
roger (104 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
That is correct; they are all separate.
karlyguy (184 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
the facebook app is not as good as this site. no points maybe a con\pro. there is no move log. and the moves displayed dont show support or failed moves
kestasjk (99 DMod(P))
05 Jun 08 UTC
Chris is updating his phpDip 0.75 Facebook port to a phpDip 0.8 Facebook extension that'll use the same database as phpdiplomacy.net. At that point we'll get all the games and users that are currently over there (and they'll get ours).

It'll mean we'll have ~double the number of users (so moderators and improving the forum, with perhaps a VIP room or something, will become even more important), and it'll mean Facebook and phpdiplomacy.net accounts can be merged and accessible from both Facebook and phpdiplomacy.net

So if you want to play your games here via Facebook you should be able to merge your account here with your account over there fairly soon, Chris&me are hoping to get it done in the next 4-7 weeks
Thanks Kestas, I think I'll wait until the merge to add the facebook app.
alamothe (3367 D(B))
06 Jun 08 UTC
is it any good? btw why don't you merge with strategery kestas, and shut down evil chris?
flashman (2274 D(G))
06 Jun 08 UTC
Can anyone tell me what this all means if you (I) want to stay with phpDip and do not under any circumstances want to have a link to Facebook?

My refusal to link with Facebook is absolute.
Darwyn (1601 D)
06 Jun 08 UTC
Just something I noticed:

"Strategery was developed by 5 University of Oregon / Computer Science students"

Sincerely,

1- Adam Betz
2- Richard Kissel
3- Roger Cerkas
4- Scott Brooks
5- Chris Rowe
6- Yannis Smaragdakis

Other than that, I don't have a facebook account and don't plan on getting one. I like some of the ideas Strategery has to offer, but it sounds like kestas has it all worked out, and soon.
HAHA there's 6 of them...

...ha..
flashman (2274 D(G))
06 Jun 08 UTC
One is a multi-accounter?
yannis (100 D)
06 Jun 08 UTC
One (me) is the professor. I acted as program manager.
flashman (2274 D(G))
06 Jun 08 UTC
...and you have a 100% record on here!
Lolflower (151 D)
06 Jun 08 UTC
Yannis acted as project manager. Basically, he oversaw our production, and presented us with deadlines and some helpful debugging at our weekly meetings. Other than that, all of the development has really been the responsibility of the the five of us.

He has a 100% record because we started a game in the beginning of our project as part of our requirements gathering, and, despite my best efforts to team up the developers against the project manager, he was able to defeat us. Next time ;)
Churchill (2280 D)
06 Jun 08 UTC
Well: they have implemented Ajax! I'm not going to try this but I do think that a FB end to this site would be awesome (less missed turns). I'm looking forward to a better forum and admins/mods. I'm not going to stab phpDip and ally with any of the FB variants. (I like redundant convoy routes and support!)
alamothe (3367 D(B))
06 Jun 08 UTC
> but it sounds like kestas has it all worked out, and soon.

are you serious? kestas can't even fix the draw bug for months. i say merge with strategery! chris has nothing to offer, except that he's boring
alamothe (3367 D(B))
06 Jun 08 UTC
he even hijacked the name!!


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Darwyn (1601 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
Congrats Red Wings!
Just wanted to say congrats on a great series and for taking the Stanley Cup, the greatest trophy in all of sports, back to Detroit for the fourth time in 11 years.

I'm a hockey fan from Detroit (aka Hockeytown) who also plays hockey (as a goalie) so that explains this post. Feel free to chime in, good or bad.
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gundam_guy (100 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
No Points
I am new to this game. I currently have no points and cannot join any game. Is the only way to gain point is to host my own game?
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Treefarn (6094 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
New Game - 129 Bet - PPS
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4154


Free Beer & Hot Wings
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Giramondo (100 D)
04 Jun 08 UTC
Physical Location on Profile
Is it worth placing the information of your physical location.

So that people choosing games can coordinate mutual convienient times to play?
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kaigem (226 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
need 2 more for Revolution is no excuse for CD
we need 2 more players for this game

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4149

the entry fee is 20 points, and we only have a few hours left until it starts
no need to reply, just sign up :)
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flashman (2274 D(G))
05 Jun 08 UTC
Totally non-Dip question about Google Chat...
How can I set it so that I always get the older version of Gmail?

I want to remove the Chat Box from the left hand margin. I do not use it / will not use it / am a bit peed off that I cannot keep the base page as original style.

Any help appreciated.

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Sicarius (673 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
what a great day to be alive
sorry, I kinda just have to tell everybody.
A beautiful sunrise, in a windswept cornfield, dew all over me, birds...
idk, it was just intense. really makes you forget the little shit and just be glad you're alive
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Treefarn (6094 D)
05 Jun 08 UTC
Diplomacy on my phone errors
I have a Motorola Q with Verizon in the USA. I frequently respond to countries via my phone, though seeing the map is difficult. The 'x' mark on the games tab does not show up on my phone, though the envelope DOES show. And in the list of players on a table, the check and xmarks after each player do not show. Any idea why?
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
05 Jun 08 UTC
Kestas - Point system for a draw is incorrectly rendered.
According to game rules, all players with units left on the board are to share equally in a draw. This is not the case in phpDip. Points earned are calculated based on the ratio of sc's held over 34. This is not Diplomacy.

In the game 'toledo paintball', I played as England and held an impenetrable position with only 7 sc's to my credit. It would have been to my benefit simply to refuse a draw and force my opposing allies to stab one another. Instead, I lobbied for a draw. The next time, I'll hold out until Autumn 2050.

Please comment.
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
04 Jun 08 UTC
Kestas - request for a draw - toledo paintball
Here is the link...

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3587&msgCountry=Global

I am playing as England. A-H and Turkey should be posting soon with their acquiescence.

Thank you.
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fastspawn (1625 D)
04 Jun 08 UTC
Hello I am back
Hi! I don't know whether you remember me.
But I was the one who always signed off with the request to prevent users from playing more than one game at a time to prevent metagaming.
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KaaRoy (0 DX)
03 Jun 08 UTC
diplomacy-archive.com
There was once a great website by this name. Now it is gone. Does anyone know what happened, is it going to come back, or are the contents available anywhere else?
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Blackheath Wanderer (0 DX)
01 Jun 08 UTC
Lazy Sunday Game
Any players about who fancy a fairly quick turnover game running today, Sunday 1st June? It would be great if there are 6 of you out there who fancy the challenge of completing a game in a day.

If I get 7 replies, I will post a new game :)
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GnuclearGnome (100 D)
04 Jun 08 UTC
Noob question
I have another noob question. I'm having trouble with the clock that says "End of phase: x hours." I figure out when the phase will be over, then I log on about a half-hour earlier than that, but still a new phase has began. How long is a phase, and how does it end?
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KaaRoy (0 DX)
03 Jun 08 UTC
Have you ever won "honestly"?
Have you ever won a game without stabbing anyone and always keeping all your promises? How did that happen?
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Treefarn (6094 D)
04 Jun 08 UTC
Come join "Bite Me" Bet of 111 PPS
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4137
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Shino (113 D)
04 Jun 08 UTC
lol join for 0 points
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4124 lol no one is playing in this game and u can join for zero points lol
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xgongiveit2ya55 (789 D)
04 Jun 08 UTC
Draw Request: Kaelthas
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3881

Russia and I (Turkey) have agreed to a 17-17 draw. Russia will confirm.
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nutsack (100 D)
04 Jun 08 UTC
gmae
join game IM SO HIGH so we can get this shit started
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flashman (2274 D(G))
02 Jun 08 UTC
The Wonderllama...
Does anyone have an e-mail for him?

I need it to send a game password.

Of course, if Mr Llama is reading this himself...
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averyskijunky (160 D)
04 Jun 08 UTC
hey IM SO HIGH
i was just listening to this song when i created this game but yah this is a good game with decent stakes/bets and come and join
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dangermouse (5551 D)
31 May 08 UTC
I hate loser players who...
decide to help another player to victory in return for simply not being eliminated.
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dionysus (100 D)
03 Jun 08 UTC
How did the winner of this game win? He doesn't have enough Centres
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3291
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Katsarephat (100 D)
03 Jun 08 UTC
New game: "Why can't we be friends?"
I'm too lazy to post the link, sorry. Go to games, use Ctrl-F.

25 pt bet, PPSC.
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Athon (188 D)
28 May 08 UTC
The Long Story Restart
Once
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Treefarn (6094 D)
03 Jun 08 UTC
New Game - PPS, 111 bet
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4120

Lets Hug It Out, B
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jakethesnake (1112 D)
02 Jun 08 UTC
attack AND defend
can a unit fail an attack and still protect it's current position?

for example, if italy tries
pie -> mars
france tries
spain -> mars
and austria tries
tyrolia -> pie

is it just a standoff all the way around (in which case the pie unit basically gets two turns)? does the pie unit get bumped out of pie (and then could it move into mars as a "retreat")? seems like no matter what, the pie unit will be doing double duty . . .
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cteno4 (100 D)
02 Jun 08 UTC
country assignment algorithms
How, exactly, does a player get assigned a country to play in phpDiplomacy? It seems that I am almost completely unable to avoid playing as either Italy or Ynglind.

</whiney post>
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