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Darwyn (1601 D)
24 Jan 08 UTC
What's acceptable in negotiating your way back into a game?
I've been accused of NOT playing in the spirit of the game and I'm a little peeved. I offer up my situation to the forum for some insight. Perhaps I am completely wrong.

Here it is...

Having the most SC's (11) midway through a game, I had been stabbed by two players simultaneously of similar power (country A and country B). No problems there. That's what happens.

However, facing defeat and in an effort to get country A to back off so that I may be spared, I pointed out that his continued attack would ultimately result in his partner's victory (country B), not his.

Now, here's where I may have crossed the line and have been accused of not playing in the spirit of diplomacy...I told A that I would help facilitate B's victory by basically, committing my forces to only fight A, not B...leaving B to take from me what he wishes.

Is this or is this not playing in the spirit of diplomacy?

I would argue that my defeat is imminent and that this is my only bargaining chip and that, therefore, is well within the spirit of the game.

Either way, I'd very much like some input and to also pose the question:

What is or isn't acceptable negotiation tactics given imminent defeat? I think this question goes well with the recent "playing to win" topics that have been posted.

Thoughts?
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LighthouseGuard (28 D)
24 Jan 08 UTC
A newbie's sorrow
Hi everyone, I'm new both to Diplomacy and phpdiplomacy.net.
It may be because I'm playing at the bottom of the barrel, but I've found my games to be very unsatisfying. It's only for one reason: every time anything I say isn't absolute truth, my enemies raise a huge stink about it. In one game, I told all of my potential enemies that I had another country as my allies - and I was heavily berated for it (I won't repeat these words, they're unsuitable for children if there are any out there).
I know it's obvious that I should ignore them, but it's difficult not to let it bother me. It seems that whenever I make a move towards victory I stir up bad feelings.
I just want to know a few things. First of all, is there a code of honor in this game present that stops one from backstabbing others? Secondly, how can I avoid bad feelings and still win?
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oziodip (297 D)
24 Jan 08 UTC
why i can't retreat?
here
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2611
why the fleet in STP can't retreat?
if i order to retreath i have no destination, but why i can't go to gulf or filland?
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MarekP (12867 D)
24 Jan 08 UTC
Draw request
Kestas, please set up a draw in the game id 2434 (In For A Penny) once two other players express their agreement.
2 replies
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csibadajoz (527 D)
23 Jan 08 UTC
One bug more....
At game 'Supermonkey' German had a dislogged fleet at SWE. After retreat this fleet appears at.... KIEL.

Kestas, Am I in true or my eyes lies me?
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roger941994 (430 D)
24 Jan 08 UTC
question
how can i stop the convoy?
i am Turkey, my fleet at Aegean Sea attempted to attack the fleet at Eastern Mediterranean, but it cannot stopped Italy convoy??

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2766
2 replies
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T B0NE (100 D)
24 Jan 08 UTC
Quick dumb question
Can you go from Finland to Norway with a fleet?
4 replies
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
23 Jan 08 UTC
Draws
As pointed out by Noodlebug in another thread, an alarming number of games are ending in draws. This is just a suggestion, and I don't know which side i come on yet, but the thought:
To end a game in a draw you need a valid reason
34 replies
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fastspawn (1625 D)
23 Jan 08 UTC
I will be starting a 500 point, winner takes half game in a couple of days depending on who wants to
I know its quite a stringent requirement, but hopefully, if there are enough quality players to play it, it will be great fun.

So if you are currently locked in games with lotsa points at stake, post your interest here, and try to make it end fast. thanks
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Labond (140 D)
23 Jan 08 UTC
Request for Draw - Game: Hells Territory
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2476

Please post to confirm unanimous vote for a draw.

Thank you GM.
7 replies
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
23 Jan 08 UTC
Question on Support Holds
Would it be possible for a fleet in Bothnia to support hold a fleet in St. Petersburg North Coast; similarly for Bulgaria or Spain?
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GumboGino (320 D)
22 Jan 08 UTC
Not to blame but ...
obitey, Joined: Tue 08 Jan,
http://phpdiplomacy.net/profile.php?uid=4524
ziggy3, Joined: Tue 08 Jan,
http://phpdiplomacy.net/profile.php?uid=4506

Are these the same person or close friends that joined, the same day, and signed up for same 4 games ?
Can anybody confirm?
Per exemple in this game I'm in: (the european powas )
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2680
they both ceased filling their orders the same date. It looks like both are going "Civil Disorder" real soon.
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Iggy24 (151 D)
22 Jan 08 UTC
DipFTW!
My new game. 69 points...hehe. Let the fun begin!
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sean (3490 D(B))
22 Jan 08 UTC
best of phpdiplomacy
a while back pitirre posted about various awards relating to phpdiplomacy. Im not sure where they came from but maybe we should have a thread about a more representative straw poll.
how about these awards

1.best tactical player
2.best strategic player
3.best ally
4.best(or should that be worst?) traitor

any others?

i will vote (from the limited number of games ive played )
1. dangermouse tie with wonderlama
2.rait
3 flashman
4. hmm i need to check my games , may have blanked out my memory of him, it was too cruel
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
23 Jan 08 UTC
Private Messenging.
For a feature, it would be really cool if you could privately message a user who isn't in one of your games. Of course you can use email, but if they hide it or if you just like the fact that everything is in this one browser it would be cool. No biggie if it can't/won't be done of course.
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macresto (100 D)
22 Jan 08 UTC
Replacing other players
Hi all
I have untill now replaced two players in games where the odds are very strongly against me, to put it mildly. I really hate when people just leaves a game leaving the rest hanging, as I am sure the rest of you do. But I think there is a problem in the replacement procedure, as the good-hearted replacer is charged with having to throw in the full amount of starting points to the pot, regardless of him having absolutely no chance of winning. Isn't it in all players interests, that vancancies are filled? I don't think punishing people like me should be the way to do this. I can always create a new account, so the problem for me isn't big, it's just that the procedure seems to eb about forcing people to stay out of games, rather than go in a help finishing a game...
Cheers, Macresto
sean (3490 D(B))
22 Jan 08 UTC
hi macresto, better to start your own game and post an invite on this forum. or wait until a new game starts- if you have a look down the forum posts you will see lots of new games starting, maybe once a day? or at least 2, 3 or 4 in a week i guess. about the CD players, yeah most people are annoyed at them for giving up.
macresto (100 D)
22 Jan 08 UTC
Hi sean. I'm aware of that. I could just start another game or join another new game. But that doesn't help the stuck players, does it?
Farcus189 (505 D)
23 Jan 08 UTC
the high points to join in does seem discouraging to players who would be happy to join and speed the game along...because one you usually have to pay high prices to join a game which you are usually in the disadvantage, and secondly when you start late in a game you have no alliances and can't possible guess who will work with you because of course you havent been able to message the other players
thewonderllama (100 D)
23 Jan 08 UTC
actually, once a country is eligible for take over (that is, in cd) the game no longer waits for them. they are automatically finalized with all hold orders. so taking over a one of these countries doesn't speed up the game for them. that's not to try to discourage people from taking over cds, because it certainly can make things more interesting and affect the balance. just don't want anyone wasting their points in charity to speed up a game they aren't actually speeding up.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
23 Jan 08 UTC
I keep having to say this, but the points for CD is needed. Granted it is a little high, but I know of at least one game when an account has been taken over from CD and the player then gone on to take winnings of around 2000 points. Are you telling me they should have been able to do that for nothing?
alamothe (3367 D(B))
23 Jan 08 UTC
yes :-)
alamothe (3367 D(B))
23 Jan 08 UTC
or at least we need some better function to estimate how much CD country is worth
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
23 Jan 08 UTC
I've suggested before that taking over a CD country should be free to encourage people to join, but there's obviously no appetite for that. Instead, could we knock a percentage off the joining fee?

The reasoning is this - the current players in the game where one country is in CD find out after missing a turn or two that they are no longer submitting moves. This means they have the advantage of at least one, possibly two turns to get units into position to attack the CD country.

When I browse the CD games, its not just the cost that puts me off. Often, the positions, even for large unit countries are precarious. I could join, and put a lot of effort into persuading everyone that I was new and could help them, but its unlikely that that will work in the majority of cases. So allowing say, 25-30% off the credit points would definitely be an incentive, whilst allowing people who join and win to do so having chipped in a reasonable amount to the pot.
Farcus189 (505 D)
23 Jan 08 UTC
i see your point...how long does it take for a country to go CD
Farcus189 (505 D)
23 Jan 08 UTC
and could it be possible for a punishment for people who go CD...that way they would be dettered from doing it agian
Chrispminis (916 D)
23 Jan 08 UTC
Well, currently, the punishment for going into CD is that you lose the points that you bet. The idea is that as you get into higher stakes games, you will see less CD, since people will be less likely to CD, and they will have gotten to where they are by being active.

The buy-ins for CD games are proportional to the SC's controlled by the CD players and the pot of the game. If you find you are paying a lot to join CD games, than this is because either they have a lot of SC's or you are joining a high stakes game. So, there is a mild in-built system of assessment for the value of CD countries, since countries with little hope will be cheaper.

My advice is to not join CD games without weighing your chances for a profit. If it is not worth it to join the CD game, don't worry about it, and don't join it; it will have little impact on the game in that case.


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pitirre (0 DX)
21 Jan 08 UTC
new game; Pride
you got some pride and 100 points; play at "Pride"!

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Brutorix (100 D)
21 Jan 08 UTC
An 'advanced' guide?
I was thinking and thought it might be a good idea to have a guide to diplomacy on the site that goes beyond the intro, an 'advanced guide' or something along those lines. One that includes tips and tricks on how to make/break alliances, identify lies and plan ahead.

Is there any support for this or something along these lines?
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macresto (100 D)
22 Jan 08 UTC
Diplomacy is a game of.....diplomacy, isn't it?!?
Hi all. New to this place and allready begun playing. Just wondering how to contact other players in the game and start doing diplomacy. But I can't seem to find out how to contact the various players with regards to negotiations?!?

Cheers, Daniel
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
21 Jan 08 UTC
41-pointer
There is a new pointer on the game list!
After the legendary 50-pointer and the 19-pointer, here comes the 41-pointer.

Please, all experienced players, join.
There is a list of players who may not join.

Firstly, Smartjason and his associates.
(Budlight is for sure one, so don't barge in)
Secondly, those who open 'noob' games.
(This game is for experienced players. Don't join if you are a noob.)
Thirdly, Saradomian and kn2005 may not join.
(They always ally and Saradomian wins every time)

If you are not one of those, join!
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keeper0018 (100 D)
22 Jan 08 UTC
longest game on the site
hey all-

im sure somebody already asked this, but i want to know what the longest game on the site has been so far. the only reason i ask is because i am in a game where we can probably beat the record. thanks!

btw, if you're curious, here's the game that i'm in that has a chance to beat the record.

game name: "The Day Games:
game link: http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2349
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positron (1160 D)
21 Jan 08 UTC
Can you predict the last move?
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2603

Austria is about to win. How?
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sean (3490 D(B))
21 Jan 08 UTC
here come the koreans!
i see php has new language support up. the koreans are coming! protective, feisty(the girls:) vengeful, proud, noble and aggressive.
welcome to php.
* Sir.Sangchi (95)
* 제니세리 (90)
* nikekmh (72)

sorry for pointing you out guys i just hadn't seen foreign language support in php before. good to see more variety on this site too. does anybody know how many members there are? how many active members?
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Braveheart (2408 D(S))
22 Jan 08 UTC
Asian Games...
... available to anyone in the Asia-Pacific time zone! Once I get enough indications of interest will set it up. So who is in?

(Sorry about failure to sort out the last one - but promised myself I won't play more than 4 games at a time and wanted to get involved in the WW1 antics).
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Wombat (722 D)
19 Jan 08 UTC
Forum discussion matter
Just a random thread, but I've noticed that recently there have been many threads about metagaming/ mutiaccts etc.

This is boring- lets have a nice discussion like the vote for the best Dip player in History.

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sean (3490 D(B))
21 Jan 08 UTC
dislodged units
can a dislodged unit still cut support from a unit not connected to the units that dislodged it?
A attacks B
B supports C's attack on D
C attacks D
E attacks A and F supports it.
A is dislodged but is B support for C's attack cut?
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T B0NE (100 D)
21 Jan 08 UTC
Delete game
Hey is there any way to leave a game I accidently created???
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Rasputin31 (100 D)
20 Jan 08 UTC
Letsgoagain!
60 point game. Click on my name and find it.
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Rait (10151 D(S))
17 Jan 08 UTC
Request for draw - game 'Damage'
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=1943

Participants, please post Your confirmations here
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Google (131 D)
20 Jan 08 UTC
How to find the old posts?
I was wondering if we could read some old posts. It seems there are only a small part of the posts viewable in the Forum. Where are those disappeared ones?

Anyone could help? Thanks!
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