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brainbomb (420 D)
Tue 01 AM UTC
Webdip Fantasy Football Playoffs
Only 6 teams remain
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brainbomb (420 D)
Sat 09 Dec UTC
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Palestine recognizes Texas as part of Mexico
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/12/palestinians-recognize-texas-part-mexico/
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ghug (4232 D (B))
Tue 02 AM UTC
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Thread for Nazis to Spew Racist Bullshit
Make sure not to test if emojis work though. *That's* against the rules.
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captainmeme (484 D Mod)
Tue 01 AM UTC
Thread for testing which emojis work on webdip
pls ignore
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StevenC. (740 D (B))
Thu 07 Dec UTC
President Trump recognizes Jeruselem as the capital of Israel.
What do you guys think? Post predictable replies within.
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Valis2501 (3831 D (G))
Thu 07 Dec UTC
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S U C C C
Anyone have indoor no-sunlight succulent grow lamp general advise / specs?
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Lazy Bones (175 D)
Sun 10 Dec UTC
What Defines A New Player?
Hey everyone i was just browsing the new games to see if there were anything interesting that i could join when i stumbled across a game that had the requirement of 'New Players Only' and i was wondering how to make 'New Player' quantifiable. What is the time between you join till you are considered not a 'New Player.' Or in essence are we all new players?
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Hathkin (41 D)
Sun 10 Dec UTC
Is this a stalemate line?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=209461
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damian (395 D)
Sat 09 Dec UTC
The Ghug Question
Webdip please help us settle an argument, as per his request.
Ghug wants to know if he's a bad bitch or a basic bitch.
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brainbomb (420 D)
Sun 26 Nov UTC
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College Football Playoff Total chaos now
Auburn downs Alabama 26-14, Miami loses to Pitt Friday night
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jmo1121109 (2537 D Mod)
Sat 09 Dec UTC
Question
Does anyone know where I can buy Super High Quality undetectable original money Online? I really need it to buy some nice oil paintings and lamps.
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omeedmaahir (0 D X)
Sat 09 Dec UTC
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omeedmaahir (0 D X)
Sat 09 Dec UTC
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captainmeme (484 D Mod)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
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FvA Openings Tier List & Guide
https://captainmeme.wordpress.com/
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Fat backstab (100 D)
Thu 07 Dec UTC
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Ice breaker
How much does a polar bear weigh
Enough to break the ice
Hi I’m Fat Backstab
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Jeff Kuta (2086 D)
Thu 30 Nov UTC
Meanwhile, In Oklahoma...
And some people wonder why others don't trust the police.
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Jamiet99uk (60 D)
Thu 30 Nov UTC
Trump endorses ultra-right UK racist hate group
"Britain First" is a white nationalist organisation active in the UK which promotes violence against Muslims and immigrants, whose founder openly advocated for a "religious war" on the streets of the UK.
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abgemacht (840 D (G))
Tue 28 Nov UTC
BTC about to reach $10k
Anyone else excited?
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Qacper (1340 D)
Wed 06 Dec UTC
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Why it is always German player
That never pushes ready in Gunboat games?
Like every single time if there is a player that saves his orders early on and waits 24 or 36 hours without pressing ready? Is there any rule that you should not slow game down? Or it is up to players if they want to iritate all others by making a retreat in full turn, and then disbanding the same army/fleet just after that in next full turn?
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ND (706 D)
Mon 04 Dec UTC
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Travel Ban
Looks like the Travel Ban is legal. Told everyone! #MAGA
http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/363183-supreme-court-allows-full-trump-travel-ban-to-take-effect
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Yoyoyozo (7536 D)
Wed 06 Dec UTC
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Happy Birthday Bo_sox!!!
One of webdip's Admins, Bo_sox48 is turning 40 today! Help me in saying happy birthday to him!!!
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SkiingCougar (517 D)
Thu 07 Dec UTC
Account sitter for a week?
Hi, I'm going away for a week from tomorrow and won't be able to enter any moves, if anyone is able to log on everyday to my account and enter my moves for me, please message me.
Thanks
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Hellenic Riot (1528 D Mod (G))
Wed 06 Dec UTC
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December GR Updated
http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/theghost-ratingslist
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Yoyoyozo (7536 D)
Thu 07 Dec UTC
Possible cheating loophole.
Is there a congressman I can talk to to run a scenario past about the new proposed tax plan..
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Smokey Gem (123 D)
Thu 07 Dec UTC
Possible cheating loophole.
Is there a mod I can PM to run a senario past..
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ND (706 D)
Wed 29 Nov UTC
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Landslide Victory
If President Trump and the Republicans pass the tax cuts then they are on their way to a landslide 2020 electoral victory (and 2018). Let's get it done! We can and will Make America Great Again!!!! #MAGA
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President Eden (3059 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
More gunboat musings, this time about opening strategy.
I hope some of the many GB players that are better than me have opinions about this, especially if they differ from mine.

I just finished my thoughts on the Western countries, I'll discuss the Eastern ones in a follow-up.
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Smokey Gem (123 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
Chess Computers ?
Has anyone designed a program that plays chess?
Smokey Gem (123 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
I am against botting big time..but was wondering if in a gunboat senario a computer program like a chess program would beat our best players ??
ubercacher16 (242 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
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It would beat the liberals.
c0dyz (90 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
HAhahaha uber you're such a dingus.
DemonOverlord (558 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
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^classic example of ruining and derailing every thread right here
ubercacher16 (242 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
I was trying to get a reaction from you bitches and it worked.
c0dyz (90 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
uh oh, he's trying.
peterwiggin (14943 D (S))
Tue 05 Dec UTC
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ubercacher16 should find something better to do.

- Unfortunately not an official admin ruling
ubercacher16 (242 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
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I do have better things to do, I just have so much more fun making DO mad.
peterwiggin (14943 D (S))
Tue 05 Dec UTC
I was talking to ghug about this last week. It seems like it should be possible to write a pretty good gunboat program, given that we have pretty good go and starcraft programs nowadays. The simultaneous moves make it a bit wonky, but should still be doable.
ghug (4232 D (B))
Tue 05 Dec UTC
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When you say black people are inferior, it makes Demon mad. When you do shit like this, it just reminds people how sad and pathetic you are.
ghug (4232 D (B))
Tue 05 Dec UTC
There are gunboat programs out there. I don't think they're that great, but I couldn't speak to it personally.

Given the state of AI technology in general, I have little doubt that someone could build a diplomacy bot that could blow everyone away, especially in gunboat. Diplomacy is a little different than other problems in that you have numerous different actors rather than the two you have in games like chess, and in the simultaneousness, but at its core it's a pretty simple game.

Whether someone will ever put the time in is a tougher question.
c0dyz (90 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
But could you make a bot that could do diplomacy? That would be amazing.
peterwiggin (14943 D (S))
Tue 05 Dec UTC
A bot that could actually play the full game with negotiations would be much more challenging. I don't think the state of natural language processing is quite up to it yet. Generating press given a board state (including previous moves?), your power, the other power, and maybe the message history would be a pretty interesting task though.
Valis2501 (3831 D (G))
Tue 05 Dec UTC
http://www.ellought.demon.co.uk/dipai/daide_syntax.pdf
peterwiggin (14943 D (S))
Tue 05 Dec UTC
I don't think that counts as natural language.

A long time ago, I joined a judge game that required everybody to only write press in some machine-readable syntax. Unfortunately, there was no reference for this syntax, so every press I sent was rejected. That remains the only game I've ever CD'd.
Condescension (348 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
It would be reasonably easy to make a bot that completely dominates in 1v1. The problem is that it might be a little predictable if you play against it multiple times-
- it might be good if you don't know that it's an AI but bad if you do. So Anon 1v1 is definitely the easiest problem. Gunboat would actually be a little tricky... having multiple players + hidden information makes Dip much more similar to Poker than Baduk or Chess. IIRC humans (especially computer-assisted humans) are still much better at Poker.
Condescension (348 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
So the answer is no you can't just tweak a Chess bot to play Diplomacy well, you'd need to design something new.
jason4747 (124 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
I concur. AI playing against 6 at once would be really tough to be better than 1 for 7 or 2 for 7 overall. But, once near a midpoint (closing in on 1 v1) it might outperform.
Claesar (63 D Mod)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
Why are we disregarding Albert?
CCR (316 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
Alberts perform well against 6 humans!
Someone set up a host server (no deadlines) and keep it up, then we can try it out.
Condescension (348 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
What's Albert?
Condescension (348 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
Just googled it. Seems cool, but I think a neural net would likely be better than an expert system like Albert. I can't find any ML bots for Diplomacy.
JamesYanik (548 D)
Tue 05 Dec UTC
I'm assuming an AI gunboat game would have different difficult to levels, but I wonder if when someone CDs, a bot could automatically take control (but perhaps the entire easiest level bot)?
I've played against Albert and it's not that great. I can solo against 6 Alberts about 1/3 of the time, so it's a nice tool, but as an AI it could use some work.
CCR (316 D)
Wed 06 Dec UTC
@JY, filling RT games was one of the main uses found for Daide's DipAI bots, though the developers were really competing to program the best bot. :)
It would be wonderful if Alberts could be used in Webdip as a game option, to fill in nmr'ers until a human takes over - though we now most of the hopeless posiitns are never taken, so it would be a great change to games suffering from giving up Cd'ers.
CCR (316 D)
Wed 06 Dec UTC
@LP, you must be a gunboat champion... winning 1/3 is great result!, have you realy tried the highest level, latest release?
@CCR My copy is at least ten years old. I didn't know they updated it.

And no I'm not a GB champ, I'm pretty average. My point was that an average player shouldn't be able to beat AIs 1/3 of the time.

The OP was asking in comparison to a chess program. For a casual chess player I'm good, but bad compared to club players. I can only beat most Chess programs at the lowest difficulty setting, so at least the version I have of Albert is nowhere near the sophistication of a chess program.


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Condescension (348 D)
Wed 06 Dec UTC
Play this game
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WyattS14 (0 D)
Wed 06 Dec UTC
New medium pot gunboat (30 bet per)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=212175
Enjoy
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