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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
30 Nov 17 UTC
Meanwhile, In Oklahoma...
And some people wonder why others don't trust the police.
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Jamiet99uk (57 D)
30 Nov 17 UTC
Trump endorses ultra-right UK racist hate group
"Britain First" is a white nationalist organisation active in the UK which promotes violence against Muslims and immigrants, whose founder openly advocated for a "religious war" on the streets of the UK.
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Qacper (1064 D)
06 Dec 17 UTC
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Why it is always German player
That never pushes ready in Gunboat games?
Like every single time if there is a player that saves his orders early on and waits 24 or 36 hours without pressing ready? Is there any rule that you should not slow game down? Or it is up to players if they want to iritate all others by making a retreat in full turn, and then disbanding the same army/fleet just after that in next full turn?
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ND (627 D)
04 Dec 17 UTC
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Travel Ban
Looks like the Travel Ban is legal. Told everyone! #MAGA
http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/363183-supreme-court-allows-full-trump-travel-ban-to-take-effect
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Yoyoyozo (216 D Mod)
06 Dec 17 UTC
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Happy Birthday Bo_sox!!!
One of webdip's Admins, Bo_sox48 is turning 40 today! Help me in saying happy birthday to him!!!
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SkiingCougar (671 D)
07 Dec 17 UTC
Account sitter for a week?
Hi, I'm going away for a week from tomorrow and won't be able to enter any moves, if anyone is able to log on everyday to my account and enter my moves for me, please message me.
Thanks
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Hellenic Riot (1574 D (G))
06 Dec 17 UTC
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December GR Updated
http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/theghost-ratingslist
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Yoyoyozo (216 D Mod)
07 Dec 17 UTC
Possible cheating loophole.
Is there a congressman I can talk to to run a scenario past about the new proposed tax plan..
9 replies
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Smokey Gem (210 D)
07 Dec 17 UTC
Possible cheating loophole.
Is there a mod I can PM to run a senario past..
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ND (627 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
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Landslide Victory
If President Trump and the Republicans pass the tax cuts then they are on their way to a landslide 2020 electoral victory (and 2018). Let's get it done! We can and will Make America Great Again!!!! #MAGA
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President Eden (2427 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
More gunboat musings, this time about opening strategy.
I hope some of the many GB players that are better than me have opinions about this, especially if they differ from mine.

I just finished my thoughts on the Western countries, I'll discuss the Eastern ones in a follow-up.
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Smokey Gem (210 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
Chess Computers ?
Has anyone designed a program that plays chess?
Smokey Gem (210 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
I am against botting big time..but was wondering if in a gunboat senario a computer program like a chess program would beat our best players ??
ubercacher16 (443 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
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It would beat the liberals.
c0dyz (100 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
HAhahaha uber you're such a dingus.
Durga (781 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
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^classic example of ruining and derailing every thread right here
ubercacher16 (443 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
I was trying to get a reaction from you bitches and it worked.
c0dyz (100 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
uh oh, he's trying.
peterwiggin (14708 D (S))
05 Dec 17 UTC
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ubercacher16 should find something better to do.

- Unfortunately not an official admin ruling
ubercacher16 (443 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
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I do have better things to do, I just have so much more fun making DO mad.
peterwiggin (14708 D (S))
05 Dec 17 UTC
I was talking to ghug about this last week. It seems like it should be possible to write a pretty good gunboat program, given that we have pretty good go and starcraft programs nowadays. The simultaneous moves make it a bit wonky, but should still be doable.
ghug (3739 D Mod (B))
05 Dec 17 UTC
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When you say black people are inferior, it makes Demon mad. When you do shit like this, it just reminds people how sad and pathetic you are.
ghug (3739 D Mod (B))
05 Dec 17 UTC
There are gunboat programs out there. I don't think they're that great, but I couldn't speak to it personally.

Given the state of AI technology in general, I have little doubt that someone could build a diplomacy bot that could blow everyone away, especially in gunboat. Diplomacy is a little different than other problems in that you have numerous different actors rather than the two you have in games like chess, and in the simultaneousness, but at its core it's a pretty simple game.

Whether someone will ever put the time in is a tougher question.
c0dyz (100 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
But could you make a bot that could do diplomacy? That would be amazing.
peterwiggin (14708 D (S))
05 Dec 17 UTC
A bot that could actually play the full game with negotiations would be much more challenging. I don't think the state of natural language processing is quite up to it yet. Generating press given a board state (including previous moves?), your power, the other power, and maybe the message history would be a pretty interesting task though.
Valis2501 (3672 D (G))
05 Dec 17 UTC
http://www.ellought.demon.co.uk/dipai/daide_syntax.pdf
peterwiggin (14708 D (S))
05 Dec 17 UTC
I don't think that counts as natural language.

A long time ago, I joined a judge game that required everybody to only write press in some machine-readable syntax. Unfortunately, there was no reference for this syntax, so every press I sent was rejected. That remains the only game I've ever CD'd.
Condescension (10 D X)
05 Dec 17 UTC
It would be reasonably easy to make a bot that completely dominates in 1v1. The problem is that it might be a little predictable if you play against it multiple times-
- it might be good if you don't know that it's an AI but bad if you do. So Anon 1v1 is definitely the easiest problem. Gunboat would actually be a little tricky... having multiple players + hidden information makes Dip much more similar to Poker than Baduk or Chess. IIRC humans (especially computer-assisted humans) are still much better at Poker.
Condescension (10 D X)
05 Dec 17 UTC
So the answer is no you can't just tweak a Chess bot to play Diplomacy well, you'd need to design something new.
jason4747 (114 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
I concur. AI playing against 6 at once would be really tough to be better than 1 for 7 or 2 for 7 overall. But, once near a midpoint (closing in on 1 v1) it might outperform.
Claesar (442 D Mod)
05 Dec 17 UTC
Why are we disregarding Albert?
CCR (432 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
Alberts perform well against 6 humans!
Someone set up a host server (no deadlines) and keep it up, then we can try it out.
Condescension (10 D X)
05 Dec 17 UTC
What's Albert?
Condescension (10 D X)
05 Dec 17 UTC
Just googled it. Seems cool, but I think a neural net would likely be better than an expert system like Albert. I can't find any ML bots for Diplomacy.
JamesYanik (548 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
I'm assuming an AI gunboat game would have different difficult to levels, but I wonder if when someone CDs, a bot could automatically take control (but perhaps the entire easiest level bot)?
I've played against Albert and it's not that great. I can solo against 6 Alberts about 1/3 of the time, so it's a nice tool, but as an AI it could use some work.
CCR (432 D)
06 Dec 17 UTC
@JY, filling RT games was one of the main uses found for Daide's DipAI bots, though the developers were really competing to program the best bot. :)
It would be wonderful if Alberts could be used in Webdip as a game option, to fill in nmr'ers until a human takes over - though we now most of the hopeless posiitns are never taken, so it would be a great change to games suffering from giving up Cd'ers.
CCR (432 D)
06 Dec 17 UTC
@LP, you must be a gunboat champion... winning 1/3 is great result!, have you realy tried the highest level, latest release?
@CCR My copy is at least ten years old. I didn't know they updated it.

And no I'm not a GB champ, I'm pretty average. My point was that an average player shouldn't be able to beat AIs 1/3 of the time.

The OP was asking in comparison to a chess program. For a casual chess player I'm good, but bad compared to club players. I can only beat most Chess programs at the lowest difficulty setting, so at least the version I have of Albert is nowhere near the sophistication of a chess program.


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Condescension (10 D X)
06 Dec 17 UTC
Play this game
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WyattS14 (0 D)
06 Dec 17 UTC
New medium pot gunboat (30 bet per)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=212175
Enjoy
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Fat backstab (75 D)
06 Dec 17 UTC
Cheating
Science dued has a second account please report him, he is scum
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hellostu (103 D)
06 Dec 17 UTC
Starting a new game
Hello! Starting a new game with some friends, but we don't actually want to start the game till next week. But we want to all be registered and in the game. I've made the game but I don't want it to automatically start when we are all in. I've never made a game before, is that what will happen? Or can I leave the game open for a few days before I hit the "start" button?

Thanks!
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Durga (781 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
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FP Tournament?
Someone should run a full press tournament that I can participate in soon. Enough 1v1 crap pls
57 replies
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c0dyz (100 D)
06 Dec 17 UTC
America Game
Casual fun America game, sign up here
1 day phase, full press, anon players
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
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Any cake artists out there?
I am the cake boss.
2 replies
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c0dyz (100 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
Liberals vs. Conservatives Game
We did this once and it was pretty fun. It'll be really fun now.

2 day phases, America map, 5v5, draw size scoring.
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brainbomb (456 D)
30 Nov 17 UTC
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Cereal
Share your favorite stories about cereal here.
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jmotest888 (0 D X)
05 Dec 17 UTC
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Email Registration Fixed
Mods please ban this.

-jmo1121109
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c0dyz (100 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
Everybody chill
fuckin just chill out for a sec
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dargorygel (320 D Mod (G))
05 Dec 17 UTC
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New Marvel Super Hero
"The Credible Hulk!" You wouldn't like me when I'm angry because I back up my rages with verifiable facts!
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Smokey Gem (210 D)
05 Dec 17 UTC
gameID=211605 question
Hi this game was paused for investigation..
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Ogion (4694 D)
01 Dec 17 UTC
Trump will die in prison.
Reports today that Mike Flynn, National security advisor, has pled guilty to lying to the FBI and will testify that Donald J Trump ordered him to work with the Russians to sabotage US elections
Discuss
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Any mods around - Live game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=212050

Please, react. :-)
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Ogion (4694 D)
04 Dec 17 UTC
Seeking substitute
Good position for a California player:

webdipmod@gmail.com
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FoohonPie (100 D)
02 Dec 17 UTC
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Greetings from reddit.
Hi everybody, I help mod a subreddit called /r/PBBG. It's meant for persistent browser based games like webDiplomacy.

We're showcasing webDiplomacy this week, and I wanted to reach out to you guys for anything you'd like to add.
20 replies
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Maniac (344 D (B))
02 Dec 17 UTC
Advice please: Building an app
I'm considering a new business venture and a small part of that involves me either building or someone building an app for me. I've never done this before, should I go and try it myself or pay the pros to do it?
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